Toyota Innova Owners & Discussions [ARCHIVED]

[woohoo]

Just swinging by to get this off my mind (been thinking about it for a few days now):

I think what they are complaining about is that dreaded "amoy-pawis" o "hindi-natuyong-husto-na-basahan" smell. The smell becomes evident when the aircon is first turned on and slowly dissipates in minutes.

Exactly my experience.

Actually to avoid this foul smelling, always turn on your rear aircon.

Ganyan talaga pag dual aircon, you have to use it in tandem kahit ikaw lang ang sakay.

I always turn them on in tandem, but the sour smell is still there, but read on.

Ganito lang yan, pag mainit sa bandang likod at malamig naman sa bandang unahan, yung likod magkakaroon ng moisture at ito ang gustong-gusto ng bacteria. The foul smell is fungus sa floor/celing carpet and your seats.

In my case, I am sure it's not the carpet. number001 is correct (see quote below), if it was the carpet that emits the sour smell, you don't need to turn on the fans to get a whiff of it.

I think molds will form if big patche(s) of moisture is left unattended on the carpet or seating upholstery. So there are mold formation inside, the moldy smell is the first whiff you'll get when you first open the vehicle's door.

In my experience, the sour smell only comes out when:

• the fan is turned on and the compressor is ON. The sour smell slowly gets weaker and eventually dissipates.
• fans are ON and compressor is off. The sour smell begins to get stronger, little by little, as the seconds pass.

I also notice that "amoy-pawis" smell becomes evident again around 5 minutes after turning off the compressor and letting the blow in high mode. This is strange and ironic since we deliberately take this methodical steps in drying the a/c but in the end, the smell manifests itself again.

That's also my experience. Ironic, indeed! But I keep doing this because it's the most effective way, coupled with a good dehumidifier, of getting rid of the strong sour smell.

Oh, well, I guess we just have to think of it this way: "We have to tolerate and endure the smell to prevent it from getting stronger."

Right, number001?

[leinahtan]

Eto yung takip ng Fuel port natin (eto yung pinipihit ng mga gasoline boys para malagyan ng fuel ang tank), yung filler cap is two parts (the black plastic and the white inner plastic), naka snap lang yung white part sa black part, pag pinaghiwalay mo sila makikita sa loob yung filter and the breather. The small circular plastic mesh filter is removable, if you remove the filter...surely you'll find a charcoal looking grime blocking the breather hole. The breather hole should be always clean, but the problem was the breather hole was so small that in less time it will get blocked by road dirt and smogs/soot.

I'm a little concerned about the tank vacuum problem which I haven't encountered yet. But who knows, I might get the same problem too. Ok here's the condition of my filler cap.



How one knows if the cap breather is functional without disassembling the cap? I guess nobody would unless he is curious enough to pry open and separate the white plastic from the housing. So for the benefit of the doubt and for DiY maintenance, how would you pry out the white plastic without damaging the cap? I was testing it using a flat screwdriver, but unfortunately wasn't successful. The black housing holding the white plastic is quite lean and further prying would eventually break it.

[woohoo]

I'm a little concerned about the tank vacuum problem which I haven't encountered yet. But who knows, I might get the same problem too. Ok here's the condition of my filler cap.



How one knows if the cap breather is functional without disassembling the cap? I guess nobody would unless he is curious enough to pry open and separate the white plastic from the housing. So for the benefit of the doubt and for DiY maintenance, how would you pry out the white plastic without damaging the cap? I was testing it using a flat screwdriver, but unfortunately wasn't successful. The black housing holding the white plastic is quite lean and further prying would eventually break it.

Bro, I think you can try rotating the white plastic so that the grooves/slots (9 o'clock and 3 o'clock positions in your picture) match the small pin-like metal holders (4:30 o'clock and 6:30 o'clock visible).

[wlc]

*mile2

just want to ask if your innova is diesel or gas variant?

after reading about the filler cap, i check my innova filler cap and pry it open. i check the filter and breather. to my surprise it is very clean no charcoal like residue.

i have a 2005 gas variant innova. that's why i'm asking if you have a diesel or gas innova. maybe it is only a problem for the diesel innova

[Mile2]

*mile2

just want to ask if your innova is diesel or gas variant?

after reading about the filler cap, i check my innova filler cap and pry it open. i check the filter and breather. to my surprise it is very clean no charcoal like residue.

i have a 2005 gas variant innova. that's why i'm asking if you have a diesel or gas innova. maybe it is only a problem for the diesel innova

Gas version. See my signature. I also have SGI LPG installed, which make my ride bi fuel.

Have you pry open the filter, underneath the filter are breather holes

[Mile2]

I'm a little concerned about the tank vacuum problem which I haven't encountered yet. But who knows, I might get the same problem too. Ok here's the condition of my filler cap.

How one knows if the cap breather is functional without disassembling the cap? I guess nobody would unless he is curious enough to pry open and separate the white plastic from the housing. So for the benefit of the doubt and for DiY maintenance, how would you pry out the white plastic without damaging the cap? I was testing it using a flat screwdriver, but unfortunately wasn't successful. The black housing holding the white plastic is quite lean and further prying would eventually break it.

Please see pictures below how to pry open the filler cap:





The filter and breathe holes

[wlc]

*mile2

yup! i did pry it open and also the mesh like filter malinis talaga sya. been using it every day since 2005. hindi kaya sa gas station na pinapalagyan mo ng fuel? baka madumi fuel nila. anyway thanks for pointing it out regarding the filler cap.

[Mile2]

*mile2

yup! i did pry it open and also the mesh like filter malinis talaga sya. been using it every day since 2005. hindi kaya sa gas station na pinapalagyan mo ng fuel? baka madumi fuel nila. anyway thanks for pointing it out regarding the filler cap.

I'm also wondering why the filter is having a soot like residue like those found in diesel engine tail pipe ends. Gasoline fuel quality? I have doubts since gasoline don't go this far up the filler cap. Would be due to dusty and polluted roads I was with like Commonwealth and EDSA. Would also be due to E10? well I'm not sure of this, if evaporated E10 will have an oily mist that can clog the filter and thereby trapping dust and smogs. I'm also thinking that it not good to have full tank always

But, one thing is clear and common to all dealers, if they replace gas tank due to deformation they would replace three components:

1. The gas tank subassembly
2. The charcoal canister in the engine bay
3. And replace the filler cap.

What happen on my first gas tank replacement was that only the gas tank was replaced since I claimed it by insurance. Since the filler cap and the charcoal canister was not replaced, it did again occur - the deformation on the gas tank floor just beneath the front strap support. - Same huge dent spot and same leak point, which is the bended corner.

[lord]

Hi Mile2,

LPG-powered na pla ride mo. Ok naman performance? Eh yung experience sa mga LPG-powered ding mga taxi natin dito sa pinas na may amoy lalo na pag huminto at binuksan ang pinto, hindi ba pumapasok yung amoy?

Sa ibang bansa kasi maayos ang convertion nila gaya ng thailand. Nung nagpunta ako dun, talagang LPG-pwered karamihan rin sa taxi nila. Karamihan Altis at Innova rin.

[Mile2]

Hi Mile2,

LPG-powered na pla ride mo. Ok naman performance? Eh yung experience sa mga LPG-powered ding mga taxi natin dito sa pinas na may amoy lalo na pag huminto at binuksan ang pinto, hindi ba pumapasok yung amoy?

Sa ibang bansa kasi maayos ang convertion nila gaya ng thailand. Nung nagpunta ako dun, talagang LPG-pwered karamihan rin sa taxi nila. Karamihan Altis at Innova rin.

Sequential Gas Injection ang LPG ko with separate ECU and the LPG tank is a toroidal tank placed underneath where the spare tire is use to be. It was done by greenfuel.com.ph

Wala ka maamoy na kahit anong usok sa loob dahil wala naman tank sa loob at walang binutas sa body. Wala din akong na-aamoy na LPG gaya sa mga taxi kahit tumapat pa ako sa tambutso, maybe because the LPG ECU is feeding the engine the ideal mixture for complete burn. Yung mga nasa taxi ay low end conversion na walang ECU kaya minsan super rich ang mixture at ma-aamoy mo ang mabahong singaw.

Mabango pa rin naman ang loob ng car ko

Not much power loss since LPG injection is mapped according to engine fuel needs. Parang naka gasoline din naman ang takbo and much more mas tahimik ang makina. So far I did a 160KPH sa NLEX using LPG. On the average I'm doing 9Km/li on LPG while on Unleaded I do 10Km/li. I'm going one year on LPG this coming July and I'm very much happy since I'm now almost getting my ROI on the conversion sooner.

[lord]

Sequential Gas Injection ang LPG ko with separate ECU and the LPG tank is a toroidal tank placed underneath where the spare tire is use to be. It was done by greenfuel.com.ph

Wala ka maamoy na kahit anong usok sa loob dahil wala naman tank sa loob at walang binutas sa body. Wala din akong na-aamoy na LPG gaya sa mga taxi kahit tumapat pa ako sa tambutso, maybe because the LPG ECU is feeding the engine the ideal mixture for complete burn. Yung mga nasa taxi ay low end conversion na walang ECU kaya minsan super rich ang mixture at ma-aamoy mo ang mabahong singaw.

Mabango pa rin naman ang loob ng car ko

Not much power loss since LPG injection is mapped according to engine fuel needs. Parang naka gasoline din naman ang takbo and much more mas tahimik ang makina. So far I did a 160KPH sa NLEX using LPG. On the average I'm doing 9Km/li on LPG while on Unleaded I do 10Km/li. I'm going one year on LPG this coming July and I'm very much happy since I'm now almost getting my ROI on the conversion sooner.

Magkano naman ang installation sa innova? Eto kaya yung ginagawa ng most ford explorer owners? Ng-swi-switch ka pa rin ba sa gas kung matipid naman na LPG?

[Mile2]

Magkano naman ang installation sa innova? Eto kaya yung ginagawa ng most ford explorer owners? Ng-swi-switch ka pa rin ba sa gas kung matipid naman na LPG?

P40K last year, same price pa rin naman yata up to now. Yes it is the same technology used by Ford Expedition/Explorer. Dahil mas malaki ang mas marami ang cylinder ng Ford Expi at Explo mas marami lang injectors and other parts ang ginagamit and will cost double.

Automatic switching siya, start with unleaded then when you reach 2000RPM automatic switching to LPG. Every 10 mins yata it is switching to unleaded for 10 secs then switch back to LPG. This frequent switching to unleaded is just to make the gasoline lines working, so it will not get stuck up together with the fuel lines.

Kahit mura na ang unleaded I still use LPG since it cost only P18.25 per liter now. I only maintain less than 1/4 unleaded in my gasoline tank for reserve purposes only in case I run out of LPG.

I did my conversion sometime last year when the gasoline shoot up to P60++ per liter. No regret on the P40K investment since I feel my engine is having cleaner burn, the oil is maintained clean, the spark plugs are really clean.

Recently, there's already PLDT's 2009 Innova running and if you look closer near the filler lid there's a circular black cap and that's was an LPG filler port. My LPG filler port is mounted underneath kaya walang binutas sa body.

[lord]

P40K last year, same price pa rin naman yata up to now. Yes it is the same technology used by Ford Expedition/Explorer. Dahil mas malaki ang mas marami ang cylinder ng Ford Expi at Explo mas marami lang injectors and other parts ang ginagamit and will cost double.

Automatic switching siya, start with unleaded then when you reach 2000RPM automatic switching to LPG. Every 10 mins yata it is switching to unleaded for 10 secs then switch back to LPG. This frequent switching to unleaded is just to make the gasoline lines working, so it will not get stuck up together with the fuel lines.

Kahit mura na ang unleaded I still use LPG since it cost only P18.25 per liter now. I only maintain less than 1/4 unleaded in my gasoline tank for reserve purposes only in case I run out of LPG.

I did my conversion sometime last year when the gasoline shoot up to P60++ per liter. No regret on the P40K investment since I feel my engine is having cleaner burn, the oil is maintained clean, the spark plugs are really clean.

Recently, there's already PLDT's 2009 Innova running and if you look closer near the filler lid there's a circular black cap and that's was an LPG filler port. My LPG filler port is mounted underneath kaya walang binutas sa body.

Thanks mile2. Please post pics of your current air filtration in your innova as you mentioned in the other thread. We may follow it as it is very cheap. I requested this also in my PM.

[Mile2]

lord
mesh cone air filter

Hi Mile2,

Can you share pics of your current air-filter setup? I've seen your post somewhere and you shared that you are buying and using the mesh cone one from blade which is at php500 only. This is cheap compare to the ones available at casa. I think the air filter at casa is around 2500 or 3k.
Thanks.

Please refer to pictures below.

[lord]

I've noticed also that for those 2005 models for innova G or those with keyless entry systems, our keys casing are easily worn out specifically on the buttons. Are there shops that can restore the original casing of our keys?

I've inquired at casa and a key with keyless entry costs around 9,500 while if a key is ordered without the electronic remote part is around 3,500.

Kung tutuusin yung half part cover lng nung casing ang dapat palitan. Compared to the new models, iba na ang itsura.

[lord]

Please refer to pictures below.

Improvised/customized ba yung plastic tumbler? Thanks for sharing!!! bowako:

[vinj]

Try to check the fuel element every 5k kasi mabilis talagang dumumi. My SA advised me to change it every 10K. As with the replacement of air filter, i believe it is specified in the manual.

A lot also depends on the fuel quality of the station you gas up at.... when we opened up our fuel filter at 20K it was still good but i changed it anyway (we had one of the first batches of the Innova released in 2005 and thankfully we never had the stalling/choking problem as well). But just like change oils, it never hurts to change your filters as often as you would want.

On LPG, i also use Greenfuel SGI kit on an 2007 Altis 1.6 and i'm very happy with it. Gas is cheap now but LPG is cheaper, and actually if you count the percentage difference between LPG and gasoline its quite noticeable (around 45% savings at this point). I drove up to Baguio last May 1 and i spent around 1.1K for my trip going up, around and down Baguio (and that was with a heavy right foot).

[Mile2]

I've noticed also that for those 2005 models for innova G or those with keyless entry systems, our keys casing are easily worn out specifically on the buttons. Are there shops that can restore the original casing of our keys?

I've inquired at casa and a key with keyless entry costs around 9,500 while if a key is ordered without the electronic remote part is around 3,500.

Kung tutuusin yung half part cover lng nung casing ang dapat palitan. Compared to the new models, iba na ang itsura.

I have the 2007 remote keys with separate buttons. Yours as what I've known from my dealer is to be replaced free of charge during warranty period.

I was ask before by my dealer if have the laminated remote keys because they wanted it replaced with buttons that are independent, but since I have already the newer ones they told me that the old ones gets tattered on the laminated cover.

[Mile2]

Maybe you're pertaining to the oil filter. Pag oil filter every change oil (or inbetween 5,000kms takes when your on synth oil and extending the drain period). The fuel filter of the diesel, when i looked over the manual, did not call for any replacement interval, thats why i just changed the element every 20K as with the air filter.

For Gas or Diesel, Fuel Filter replacement is scheduled at 40K kms per manual and strictly by dealers recommendations. At 40K kms it is also scheduled to replace all fluids - radiator coolant, transmission oil, differential oil(if applicable), brake and clutch fluid, brake pads(if needed).

[kyocera]

mga sir, any idea magkano paayos ng side mirror ng innova?
the power-mirror still functions but the prblem is, nasagi kasi sya, kaya it was forced all the way up to the other side. an luwag na nya at di na kumakapit masyado sa holder..

kaya bang self-fix to? tia..