Toyota Innova Owners & Discussions [ARCHIVED]

[roberto_minosa]

Thanks for the info, sir! but then..parang ang hirap mag decide which is the better than the other..

any other suggestions po?

I'd like to elaborate more on what I've previously said...

My dad chose the gas (VVT-i) version of the Innova because:

1. It's cheaper than the diesel version (SRP).
2. He wanted to play safe and avoid possible reliability issues surrounding D4D. But I didn't say probable.
3. He doesn't use it everyday so the cost of running it is not that relevant.
4. When he does use it, he drives long distances and not much gas is wasted. Hence, longer fuel mileage. He doesn't get stuck on traffic jams so gas consumption and cost is not much of an issue. The car runs 9km/L on average.
5. The 2.0L engine's power and torque is adequate even when the car's full of people.

You ought to choose the diesel (D4D) version if:

1. You could shell out the extra cash in exchange for...
2. ...WAY BETTER fuel mileage. My uncle gets 14-15km/L when he used to drive his D4D Innova. That's combined highway and city driving.
3. You will use it everyday to go places and/or short distances, because...
4. You'll probably spend more on fuel if you'll drive it everyday to work and go through all the hell of traffic jams. Diesel is still a bit cheaper than gasoline AND you would still get better gas mileage on a diesel engine than the gas version, even on city driving conditions.
5. You need pulling power. It's a fact that the diesel engine can pull the same amount of passengers and cargo with less effort compared to the gas engine.

So it boils down to this: both cars are exceptional cars, but it's just the matter of the probable purpose of the car is that will determine which one's the best for you. That's just my opinion!!! In my dad's case, he wouldn't mind if gasoline is more expensive than diesel because he won't be driving it a lot anyway! That's the trade-off he got because fuel efficiency won't be an issue in his case, and the diesel version is more costly by PhP40,000 by the time he got the car last year.

And finally, let's be optimistic. Don't immediately have a mindset that the diesel is unreliable and costly to maintain. Give the car the benefit of the doubt and try it for yourself. The risk of defects automatically come with the purchase of anything! Regrets will only come if the car breaks down when it's already out-of-warranty.

Whatever Innova you choose, I'm sure that you'll enjoy it a much as I've enjoyed driving our own car and reading about the experiences of fellow Innova owners. I hope this helps!!!

[reiji0463]

Mas matipid po ang D4D kaso merong mga cases na nag-uusok kahit b/new. Wala pong ganitong kaso (afaik) sa VVT kaso malakas naman sa gas. Consider nyo rin po yung presyo ng gasoline at diesel kasi naglalapit na...

Just want to share...pag nag-ULSD (ultra low sulfur diesel) na ang pinas baka po maging mas mataas na ang price ng diesel compared sa gas...but good thing is it may not happen soon...ang US, europe, even hongkong, taiwan at singapore sa asia ay lahat naka-ULSD na...cleaner emission...yung Euro IV requirement ay ULSD base po...I have not heard or read any law which is being pass dito sa atin for this requirement...lately is about ethanol lang...pero baka malapit na kaya unti-unting nilalapit ng mga major oil players ang price ng diesel sa gas.

[reiji0463]

Mas matipid po ang D4D kaso merong mga cases na nag-uusok kahit b/new. Wala pong ganitong kaso (afaik) sa VVT kaso malakas naman sa gas. Consider nyo rin po yung presyo ng gasoline at diesel kasi naglalapit na...

Just want to share...pag nag-ULSD (ultra low sulfur diesel) na ang pinas baka po maging mas mataas na ang price ng diesel compared sa gas...but good thing is it may not happen soon...ang US, europe, even hongkong, taiwan at singapore sa asia ay lahat naka-ULSD na...cleaner emission...yung Euro IV requirement ay ULSD base po...I have not heard or read any law which is being pass dito sa atin for this requirement...lately is about ethanol lang...pero baka malapit na kaya unti-unting nilalapit ng mga major oil players ang price ng diesel sa gas.

[leonleon]

I am a newbie here in this forum and needs to get some advice po sa inyo dito. Alin po ba ang mag okey kunin? gas or diesel version ng Innova? i would prefer matic po sana. Thanks po in advance.

Seeing as how many Innova D4D (Diesel) owners are experiencing problems with their units even though their vehicles are still relatively new, I'd shun buying the diesel version of the Innova, and save myself from a ton of stress and hassles.

So, if I were in your shoes, I'd go for the VVTi (Gas) version, if I really wanted an Innova.

Now if you are not limited to the Innova, and you really want a diesel powered vehicle, then look no further than the CRDi's of the Korean manufacturers (ie. Hyundai Tucson, Sta. Fe, Kia Sorento, Carens, etc). As far as I know, Korean CRDi (Diesel) powered vehicles don't have the problems that the Toyota D4D's are manifesting.

[Sandee__R]

Thank you for that very discreet and tactful clarification on the subject.

I really do appreciate your efforts in convincing me which version i would prefer to get. May I ask if you are in the sales business? ( if it is not much of your concern by the way.) Otherwise, i wouldn't think twice in buying your product, less your dad's inclusion with the sales talk, of course!Cheers!
PS: a little more push and i'm into making my decision. i'll let you know sir.

Thanks again!

I'd like to elaborate more on what I've previously said...

My dad chose the gas (VVT-i) version of the Innova because:

1. It's cheaper than the diesel version (SRP).
2. He wanted to play safe and avoid possible reliability issues surrounding D4D. But I didn't say probable.
3. He doesn't use it everyday so the cost of running it is not that relevant.
4. When he does use it, he drives long distances and not much gas is wasted. Hence, longer fuel mileage. He doesn't get stuck on traffic jams so gas consumption and cost is not much of an issue. The car runs 9km/L on average.
5. The 2.0L engine's power and torque is adequate even when the car's full of people.

You ought to choose the diesel (D4D) version if:

1. You could shell out the extra cash in exchange for...
2. ...WAY BETTER fuel mileage. My uncle gets 14-15km/L when he used to drive his D4D Innova. That's combined highway and city driving.
3. You will use it everyday to go places and/or short distances, because...
4. You'll probably spend more on fuel if you'll drive it everyday to work and go through all the hell of traffic jams. Diesel is still a bit cheaper than gasoline AND you would still get better gas mileage on a diesel engine than the gas version, even on city driving conditions.
5. You need pulling power. It's a fact that the diesel engine can pull the same amount of passengers and cargo with less effort compared to the gas engine.

So it boils down to this: both cars are exceptional cars, but it's just the matter of the probable purpose of the car is that will determine which one's the best for you. That's just my opinion!!! In my dad's case, he wouldn't mind if gasoline is more expensive than diesel because he won't be driving it a lot anyway! That's the trade-off he got because fuel efficiency won't be an issue in his case, and the diesel version is more costly by PhP40,000 by the time he got the car last year.

And finally, let's be optimistic. Don't immediately have a mindset that the diesel is unreliable and costly to maintain. Give the car the benefit of the doubt and try it for yourself. The risk of defects automatically come with the purchase of anything! Regrets will only come if the car breaks down when it's already out-of-warranty.

Whatever Innova you choose, I'm sure that you'll enjoy it a much as I've enjoyed driving our own car and reading about the experiences of fellow Innova owners. I hope this helps!!!

[Sandee__R]

I would still prefer a Toyota than any other Korean cars sir, thank you for that matter.
I have quite read a lot in this forum and you are definitely right that some new Toyota Innova owners are experiencing troubles with the diesel version already.. My Gosh! what a horrendous mess would that be, don't you think? yickks!

sweet regards!

Seeing as how many Innova D4D (Diesel) owners are experiencing problems with their units even though their vehicles are still relatively new, I'd shun buying the diesel version of the Innova, and save myself from a ton of stress and hassles.

So, if I were in your shoes, I'd go for the VVTi (Gas) version, if I really wanted an Innova.

Now if you are not limited to the Innova, and you really want a diesel powered vehicle, then look no further than the CRDi's of the Korean manufacturers (ie. Hyundai Tucson, Sta. Fe, Kia Sorento, Carens, etc). As far as I know, Korean CRDi (Diesel) powered vehicles don't have the problems that the Toyota D4D's are manifesting.

[ukd]

mga papis and mamis this is my 1st post sana po matulungan nyo ako, Innova gurus may nakita po akong oil leak sa top cover and sa may gilid ng engine ko. possible bang oil cover gasket leak lang ito. magkano po kaya ito kung papaayos sa casa? btw, my ride is a '05 innova g vvti.

Thanks and God bless po sa lahat.

[Mile2]

mga papis and mamis this is my 1st post sana po matulungan nyo ako, Innova gurus may nakita po akong oil leak sa top cover and sa may gilid ng engine ko. possible bang oil cover gasket leak lang ito. magkano po kaya ito kung papaayos sa casa? btw, my ride is a '05 innova g vvti.

Thanks and God bless po sa lahat.

Bro, clean it first with Dishwashing soap, specially the upper part of the engine and observe again so you can pin point the leaking area. It is also possible that it is not from the cylinder head cover gasket but from power steering hose.

If the cylinder head cover gasket is cracked then you have no option but to have it done at casa to be sure you get the original gasket. You can bring it to casa for qoutation it may probably cost less than P2K my guess only

[ukd]

*sir Mile2 thanks sir, will do that.

[kopong02]

i'm getting my innova later. am i getting a good deal with these?

MODEL : NEW TOYOTA INNOVA 2.0J GAS M/T

ENGINE TYPE : 4 Cylinder, In-Line 16V, DOHC, VVT-I, EFI
DISPLACEMENT : 1,998cc
MAXIMUM OUTPUT : 136 Ps / 5,600 Rpm
MAXIMUM TORQUE : 182 Nm / 4,000 rpm
TRANSMISSION : 5 Speed Manual
BRAKES : Front Ventilated Discs / Leading – Trailing Drums
TIRES/WHEEL : 205 / 65 R15x6JJ, Steel with Full Cap
INTERIOR FEATURES : Vinyl Seats , Interior color Gray
SAFETY FEATURES : Seat Belts, Child Locks, Side Impact Beams
AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEM : Dual, Manual

ADD-ON FEATURES:
·Wheel Well Cover
·New Design Front Grille


FREE ITEMS

• PLATINUM TINT
• CURDUROY SEATCOVER
• CARPET MATTING
• RUSTPROOFING
• STANDARD TOOLS
• FREE LABOR ONLY ON 1,OOO AND 5,OOO KM CHECK UP.
• Free keyless entry & alarm

Price
763,000.00
Comprehensive Insurance
Free
Chattel Mortgage Fee
17,813.00
3 Years LTO Registration
7,850.00
Discount
(60,000.00)


btw, it's from Toyota Bicutan - Angelo Viloria

[roberto_minosa]

Thank you for that very discreet and tactful clarification on the subject.

I really do appreciate your efforts in convincing me which version i would prefer to get. May I ask if you are in the sales business? ( if it is not much of your concern by the way.) Otherwise, i wouldn't think twice in buying your product, less your dad's inclusion with the sales talk, of course!Cheers!
PS: a little more push and i'm into making my decision. i'll let you know sir.

Thanks again!

Hahaha, heck no!!! I'm a student from Letran and I just happened to know a lot about cars, especially our own...I'm a car buff since birth!!! Good luck!!!

[Sandee__R]

oh, i see, ..even the knights are better!

Hahaha, heck no!!! I'm a student from Letran and I just happened to know a lot about cars, especially our own...I'm a car buff since birth!!! Good luck!!!

[yellowjip]

hello good day mga sir...last week we purchased a innova E d4d varient so far ok siya no black smoke or stalling so far..the unit based on the sticker on the timing gear cover was built april 2008..We are planning to install alarm and foglamps i was wondering if this will void the warrenty?mas mura sa labas magpakabit ng accessories...almost half ang price...would love to hear from you guys...thanks

[jay_el_330]

hi guyz,

tanong ko lang po kung normal lang ba sa innova (2L a/t G variant gas)

pag umaandar yung engine tapos binuksan ko yung motor oil refil cap may motor oil na tumatalsik?

pero minimal lang tinakpan ko ng tissue , may mga spot ng oil sa tissue

alam ko kasi diba dapat air lang yung lumalabas ? loss compresion po ba ito? thanks

[Mile2]

hi guyz,

tanong ko lang po kung normal lang ba sa innova (2L a/t G variant gas)

pag umaandar yung engine tapos binuksan ko yung motor oil refil cap may motor oil na tumatalsik?

pero minimal lang tinakpan ko ng tissue , may mga spot ng oil sa tissue

alam ko kasi diba dapat air lang yung lumalabas ? loss compresion po ba ito? thanks

Normal lang yan, yung mga talsik ng oil galing yun sa mga moving parts (rocker arms) sa cylinder head. Yung rocker arms is the link to your cam shaft and valves.

bakit mo naman naitanong kung lost compression? mahina ba ang hatak?

[jay_el_330]

hi sir thanks po for the fast reply ,

sa rekta po ok naman pero po sa akyatan feel ko mahina po ,

kaka tapos lang po break in then went to baguio,

bali po 8 person po karga ko feel ko po mahina po sya sa akyatan ....ganun rin ba ang mga innova nyo? kasi before e-150 gamit ko papuntang baguio...baka lang nanibago lang ako

thanks for the feedbacks

[romel asuit]

hi sir thanks po for the fast reply ,

sa rekta po ok naman pero po sa akyatan feel ko mahina po ,

kaka tapos lang po break in then went to baguio,

bali po 8 person po karga ko feel ko po mahina po sya sa akyatan ....ganun rin ba ang mga innova nyo? kasi before e-150 gamit ko papuntang baguio...baka lang nanibago lang ako

thanks for the feedbacks

sir,normally sa akyatan mas feel mo kasi ang torque ng diesel powerd engine compared sa gas fed engine., and siguro nanibago ka lang kung E150 ang inakyat mo sa baguio before.

[jay_el_330]

thanks sa reply

[Horsepower]

To be sure, pa-compression check mo sir baka factory defect.

[Mile2]

hi sir thanks po for the fast reply ,

sa rekta po ok naman pero po sa akyatan feel ko mahina po ,

kaka tapos lang po break in then went to baguio,

bali po 8 person po karga ko feel ko po mahina po sya sa akyatan ....ganun rin ba ang mga innova nyo? kasi before e-150 gamit ko papuntang baguio...baka lang nanibago lang ako

thanks for the feedbacks

How can you compare an E150 with 8 cylinder engine against an Innova with 4 cylinder engine in terms of torque???