HELP!!! My innova D4D Black smoke- pls Help!!!

[dedeypi]

And also...

Sa mga tsikot members na hindi po nakararanas ng problemang ito, maraming salamat po sa inyong oras at pag-aabala.

Regards.

[Mile2]

Senate Bill 2464, also known as the Lemon Law, which seeks to protect buyers of new and secondhand vehicles.

Under the proposed measure, a car is described as a “lemon” if, during the Lemon Law Rights period (18 months for brand new cars), it has been under repair three or more times yet the same defect continues to exist; the defect is a serious safety defect and has been subject to repair one or more times; or it is out of service due to repair for a cumulative total of 30 calendar days.

http://www.senate.gov.ph/press_relea..._pimentel1.asp
February 20, 2007

SENATE OKAYS LEMON ACT OF 2007

The Senate approved on third and final reading Monday night a legislative measure that would protect the rights of consumers who had the misfortune of buying defective cars and which will compel automobile manufacturers and dealers to immediately repair the defects or, if necessary, replace them with comparable vehicles.

[dedeypi]

Sir Mile2,

MARAMING MARAMING salamat po!

[dindy]

Senate Bill 2464, also known as the Lemon Law, which seeks to protect buyers of new and secondhand vehicles.

Under the proposed measure, a car is described as a “lemon” if, during the Lemon Law Rights period (18 months for brand new cars), it has been under repair three or more times yet the same defect continues to exist; the defect is a serious safety defect and has been subject to repair one or more times; or it is out of service due to repair for a cumulative total of 30 calendar days.

http://www.senate.gov.ph/press_relea..._pimentel1.asp
February 20, 2007

SENATE OKAYS LEMON ACT OF 2007

The Senate approved on third and final reading Monday night a legislative measure that would protect the rights of consumers who had the misfortune of buying defective cars and which will compel automobile manufacturers and dealers to immediately repair the defects or, if necessary, replace them with comparable vehicles.

Hi Mile2,

Thanks for this information and it will defintely help us out in our persue for a unit replacment... So timely lang na-approve itong bill na ito...

Dedeypi, Chilun and the rest of the group...

We can use this law in our favor...

As of now my other ka-innovas who has the same problem namely Ampy, Barny and Chilun and Sgt Pepper, will it be ok if we meet again to talk about our next step? Although our innovas are located and service on different dealers and that iba iba na ang repairs and steps na ginawa, Like mine is currently at ortigas dealer and after changing the turbo system, wala padin ginagawa sa unit ko. I left my unit there last tuesday and feedback is that TMAP will be evaluating my unit and based from their initial recommendation, kailangan daw palitan yung catalytic converter but apparently wala pa yung bagong design so i still have to wait for it. Good thing they gave me a service unit pero i am still pushing for unit replacement. I already gave my letter to TMP and emailed it to Ms Josephine Villanueva. Kapag lumabas unit ko sa casa, ill have it emission tested for back up proof for DTI letter...

I suggest that we have our unit emission tested and then have both a petition letter signed by us and an individual letter stating your experience with the unit. We have to take all angles.

What do you think? Any suggestions pa?

Chilun, dedeypi and sgt pepper you already know my cell number... whats you plan?

Din

[imbestigador]

din,
yesterday, i went to TSI, i gave them a copy of my demand letter and according to them wala paring feedback from TMP if they will replace our unit. i think we should prepare our petition letter so we can send it to DTI already. Para naka pila na tayo sa kanila, alam mo na gov't agency yan baka matagal ang processing time nila.

just to let you know, according to ampy, TMP informed him that in case TMP decided to replace our unit they might depreciate the value of our car. ang labo diba... tawagan nalang.

[Horsepower]

bakit naman depreciate? nagbayad naman kayo ng sapat ah.

[number001]

Depreciated value? Maybe they are treating this as if its a trade-in deal. If that is the case, then that would be very inappropriate of TMPI.

[dindy]

Depreciated value? Maybe they are treating this as if its a trade-in deal. If that is the case, then that would be very inappropriate of TMPI.

yup it was also what they said to me... kainis tlaga sila!!! kala nga siguro nila trade in... dapat nga they have to pay us including damages, just imagine the hustle and time wasted just to bring in our unit. Tapos ngayon parang what TMP is doin is they are buying some time since they still dont know the problem... upto now wala padin gumagawa sa unit ko at naka tegga lang sa ortigas. They are waiting daw for TMAP to evalute...

Im just waiting for the letter of Ms Villanueva and i will include that with our file for DTI

Bahala na DTI...

Din

[Mile2]

It should not be depreciated value, as it is not to be liken to Insurance claim nor to be taken as if you are selling back your car to them. You are claiming warranty and has the right to demand a full replacement of defective unit.

Fellow Innova owners, I hope you all get through with all these headaches, and I am confident that this will also benefit TMP and other D4d owners in pursuing quality services.

[dindy]

It should not be depreciated value, as it is not to be liken to Insurance claim nor to be taken as if you are selling back your car to them. You are claiming warranty and has the right to demand a full replacement of defective unit.

Fellow Innova owners, I hope you all get through with all these headaches, and I am confident that this will also benefit TMP and other D4d owners in pursuing quality services.

Sa mga Ka-innovas ko and for all the people who responded sa thread .... maramimg salamat thanks for all your feedback and additional input to solve our problem...

Sgt Pepper, Dedeypi, Mile2, chilun, inbestigador (hayup sa pananakot )... thanks again...

Our problem is still not solve pero bahala na DTI....

Happy Smoke belching!!!!

God Bless!!

Din

[jinks]

Hi to all innova BLACK smoke belchers,

My husband and I had read this thread from start til the end. For we need information about the same problem. We just recently bought our INNOVA G 2.5 DSL A/T last Aug 28, 2008 at Toyota Otis. And in less than a month, with almost 700km odo, we experience the great black smoke. To our surprise, a brand new car emitting smoke that black is not good. We will bring the car tomorrow to Otis for evaluation.

We called the service manager already about the smoke and advised us to accelerate to 3000rpm to release smoke unfortunately after doing so, it did not work. We are alarmed by this situation for we are not really knowledgeable about cars and we did not test drive the car. But through this thread, we've learned a lot and blessing in disguise, ampy and barnaby's cars were purchased from Otis.

We do not want to come to a point where we will experience all the replacements they had done to repair your cars but I guess we have to go through it for us to be included in the lemon law.

If you could only initiate seeking the help of the media like IMBESTIGADOR. I believe that more people like us will come out and voice out the same concern. As for now, as much as we would like to be a part of your complaint to DTI, we believe that we are not yet eligible to complain for we have not experience any repairs yet.

We hope that you will pursue seeking help to the media to help also your fellow innova owners like us who have or may experience the same problems.

We had saved your cellphone numbers, will keep in touch and continue reading this thread for any developments.

Thanks so much and God bless.

jinks

[atomictom]

if you are planning to bring the media in, a protest motorcade would also help them decide fast in replacing your units.

[alvin_alvin]

Sama ako sa protest motorcade to help our fellow Innova owner. My ride is Innova J VTTI just brought last month.

[wakin]

Hi to all innova BLACK smoke belchers,

My husband and I had read this thread from start til the end. For we need information about the same problem. We just recently bought our INNOVA G 2.5 DSL A/T last Aug 28, 2008 at Toyota Otis. And in less than a month, with almost 700km odo, we experience the great black smoke. To our surprise, a brand new car emitting smoke that black is not good. We will bring the car tomorrow to Otis for evaluation.

We called the service manager already about the smoke and advised us to accelerate to 3000rpm to release smoke unfortunately after doing so, it did not work. We are alarmed by this situation for we are not really knowledgeable about cars and we did not test drive the car. But through this thread, we've learned a lot and blessing in disguise, ampy and barnaby's cars were purchased from Otis.

We do not want to come to a point where we will experience all the replacements they had done to repair your cars but I guess we have to go through it for us to be included in the lemon law.

If you could only initiate seeking the help of the media like IMBESTIGADOR. I believe that more people like us will come out and voice out the same concern. As for now, as much as we would like to be a part of your complaint to DTI, we believe that we are not yet eligible to complain for we have not experience any repairs yet.

We hope that you will pursue seeking help to the media to help also your fellow innova owners like us who have or may experience the same problems.

We had saved your cellphone numbers, will keep in touch and continue reading this thread for any developments.

Thanks so much and God bless.

jinks

suggestion lang, before bringing your innova to toyota otis, have your car tested for emmission. this will prove from the very start that what you got is a lemon.

[saksi]

Hi to all innova BLACK smoke belchers,

My husband and I had read this thread from start til the end. For we need information about the same problem. We just recently bought our INNOVA G 2.5 DSL A/T last Aug 28, 2008 at Toyota Otis. And in less than a month, with almost 700km odo, we experience the great black smoke. To our surprise, a brand new car emitting smoke that black is not good. We will bring the car tomorrow to Otis for evaluation.

We called the service manager already about the smoke and advised us to accelerate to 3000rpm to release smoke unfortunately after doing so, it did not work. We are alarmed by this situation for we are not really knowledgeable about cars and we did not test drive the car. But through this thread, we've learned a lot and blessing in disguise, ampy and barnaby's cars were purchased from Otis.

We do not want to come to a point where we will experience all the replacements they had done to repair your cars but I guess we have to go through it for us to be included in the lemon law.

If you could only initiate seeking the help of the media like IMBESTIGADOR. I believe that more people like us will come out and voice out the same concern. As for now, as much as we would like to be a part of your complaint to DTI, we believe that we are not yet eligible to complain for we have not experience any repairs yet.

We hope that you will pursue seeking help to the media to help also your fellow innova owners like us who have or may experience the same problems.

We had saved your cellphone numbers, will keep in touch and continue reading this thread for any developments.

Thanks so much and God bless.

jinks

toyota people are not transparent in dealing with this problem. what they are saying is konting lang tyo percentage wise. but the fact na mern ganito dapat gawan nila nang paraan . pero pinatatagal lang nila we.ve been dealing about this problem for almost a month now ang sabi nila top prioritty daw ito pero wala pa din silang sagot so much for tha top priority. what they gonna do is change the parts they suspect is tha cause ot the problem pag walang nangyari palit ulit nang iba.i dont like the idea of them disecting my new car .dapat kuha sila sarili nilang saskyan ,then they can disect it all they want as long as they can give us the main cause of the black smoke. mine started wala pa din 1000 sa odo .

[dedeypi]

Sirs,

Basta kapit-kapit lang po tayo. Makakahanap din tayo ng solution dito. I'll let you know of what we've been doing, I just cannot disclose it now.

Yung mga pwede pong maggrupo-grupo, make a synchronised attack.

Basta, we'll go through this!

Salute.

[dindy]

Hi to all innova BLACK smoke belchers,

My husband and I had read this thread from start til the end. For we need information about the same problem. We just recently bought our INNOVA G 2.5 DSL A/T last Aug 28, 2008 at Toyota Otis. And in less than a month, with almost 700km odo, we experience the great black smoke. To our surprise, a brand new car emitting smoke that black is not good. We will bring the car tomorrow to Otis for evaluation.

We called the service manager already about the smoke and advised us to accelerate to 3000rpm to release smoke unfortunately after doing so, it did not work. We are alarmed by this situation for we are not really knowledgeable about cars and we did not test drive the car. But through this thread, we've learned a lot and blessing in disguise, ampy and barnaby's cars were purchased from Otis.

We do not want to come to a point where we will experience all the replacements they had done to repair your cars but I guess we have to go through it for us to be included in the lemon law.

If you could only initiate seeking the help of the media like IMBESTIGADOR. I believe that more people like us will come out and voice out the same concern. As for now, as much as we would like to be a part of your complaint to DTI, we believe that we are not yet eligible to complain for we have not experience any repairs yet.

We hope that you will pursue seeking help to the media to help also your fellow innova owners like us who have or may experience the same problems.

We had saved your cellphone numbers, will keep in touch and continue reading this thread for any developments.

Thanks so much and God bless.

jinks

Jinky and to our Fellow smoke Belcher at pati na rin sa hindi

Your ride is the latest and the most recently bought among all that i met. pero pare pareho tayong around 700 km palang at umuusok na. Well good thing you were able to read our thread and hopefully lahat tayo ma-solutionan. Most likely they will also do the same procedure kagaya nila Ampy at barnaby (si barny purple na purple yan pag nagalit...hahaha). another good thing also is that puro otis kayo...kawawang dong. Do you mean that you wont be included sa lemon law because wala pang napapalitan sa unit mo? well if ever they dont do anything sa unit mo, they will most likely delay repairing your unit coz rumor has it that the Oxygen Catalyst will be here 3rd week of Oct so TMP might be wise enough not to touch anything sa unit mo basing it sa mga ginawa saamin. The only advantage that i can see is that they wont make your unit a guinea pig kagaya nung saamin and if they really pinpointed the problem then good for all innova buyers after. TMP now can make the necessary adjustements to the design pero sad to say at the expense of others

Sana nga kung ano yung pinagpaguran namen e at the end we will be rewarded. So much time and effort wasted and muntik muntik na bababangga kakatingin sa rear view mirror kung mausok unit mo....

Ive also joined the Innova yahoo groups to find some answers from their group pero after posting there e madami ng nagrerespond na may problem na ganito... and some of them are getting aware na. They are trying to rev their unit to check if they have similar problem. Guess what.... ganun din problem....

Sana nga mag motorcade tayong lahat ng innova na mausok sa edsa goin to TMP... kaya nga lang malamang mahuhuli tayo ng mga MMDA coz mali daw lane natin sa edsa.... dapat daw nasa bus lane tayo coz para daw tayong bus umusok...bwahahaha!

Imbestgador at Sasaksi... talaga kayong dalawa e ang galing niyong magisip ng logged in name....sana nga may way tayong mapa media ito at baka bumilis bilis and decision...

Dedeypi....tama ka at mag kaisa lang tayo...hope ok na kalbaryo mo.

For know, waiting muna... ill keep you posted

Happy Smoke Belching to everyone muna!

God Bless!

Din

[rst619]

Sir tama yan motorcade kayong ng araw ng sweldo tapos dun ang ruta niyo sa mga smoke belching hotspots ( goon squad thread ) para mahuli kayo lahat. O di ba grabe effect nun 10 brand new innova at the side of the road bagsak sa smoke belching

kidding aside, mas maganda sa LTO MVIS kayo mag pa smoke emission ng sabay sabay para maging aware din ang LTO sa problema. I can help you facilitate with them if you like. just pm me.

[innova99]

hi,
I am from india and own a toyota innova d4d 2.4L, I have been experiencing Black smoke from the exhaust right from when i completed 5000 KMS.. The delaer blames it on dirty or adultrated Diesel but i doubt it, i have been filling diesel from various petrol bunks, over a long period of time ,one other thing is not to use hi-speed diesel i've been using NORMAL diesel.

So i went back to the dealership requesting them to do something abt it.. here are the list of procedures carried out under warranty till date.. i've been having this problem for over a year now..

1) after notifing them abt the problem the first thing they did was to clean the injectors.. after a 1000 kms the problem reappeared.

2. After cleaning the injectors they Re-mapped the ECM. but again the problem reappered.

3. After following the two steps above they changed the catalytic converter and recleaned the injectors.

4. After abt 2000 - 3000 kms the problem has reappered.

5. Currently they are trying to change the Catalytic Converter yet again ( Second Time) and have requested the car for 2 days to enable them to take it for a long Test drive.

I'm still waiting for the car as it may take a couple of days.. while searching on the internet i came across this forum & learnt a lotta ppl like me are having same problems with the D-4D. The dealers seem pretty puzzled as to how to proceed further in my case after writing to Toyota i have managed to get thier attn on this case and they are monitoring my car.

By chaging the catalyic converter now for the second time i belive may not solve the problem.. it seems like it will reappear like the last time.. i think there is a problem with the Fuel pump and injectors ..

Any Person whose technically sound can shed some light on to this will be of great help ..

[innova99]

hi,
I am from india and own a toyota innova d4d 2.4L, I have been experiencing Black smoke from the exhaust right from when i completed 5000 KMS.. The delaer blames it on dirty or adultrated Diesel but i doubt it, i have been filling diesel from various petrol bunks, over a long period of time ,one other thing is not to use hi-speed diesel i've been using NORMAL diesel.

So i went back to the dealership requesting them to do something abt it.. here are the list of procedures carried out under warranty till date.. i've been having this problem for over a year now..

1) after notifing them abt the problem the first thing they did was to clean the injectors.. after a 1000 kms the problem reappeared.

2. After cleaning the injectors they Re-mapped the ECM. but again the problem reappered.

3. After following the two steps above they changed the catalytic converter and recleaned the injectors.

4. After abt 2000 - 3000 kms the problem has reappered.

5. Currently they are trying to change the Catalytic Converter yet again ( Second Time) and have requested the car for 2 days to enable them to take it for a long Test drive.

I'm still waiting for the car as it may take a couple of days.. while searching on the internet i came across this forum & learnt a lotta ppl like me are having same problems with the D-4D. The dealers seem pretty puzzled as to how to proceed further in my case after writing to Toyota i have managed to get thier attn on this case and they are monitoring my car.

By chaging the catalyic converter now for the second time i belive may not solve the problem.. it seems like it will reappear like the last time.. i think there is a problem with the Fuel pump and injectors ..

Any Person whose technically sound can shed some light on to this will be of great help ..