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    #19521
    May nabasa ako possible side effect daw magkalupus, dahil sa messenger RNA antibodies ng vaccine. Delikado ito parang panira ng immune system cells.

    Baka hindi muna ako magpa vakuna lalo na kung gawang china at russia ang idistribute satin iiwasan ko talaga, antayin ko na lang baka sakaling mawala kung madami na magpaturok. Sa oxford ako pinakatiwala, yung moderna shady din dahil bagman ni trump ang dating ng companyang yan.

    Pero naisip ko baka gawing mandatory na hindi tayo bibigyan ng medical clearance pag walang turok, like hindi papayagan makakuha ng trabaho kung bagsak sa medical dahil walang turok tapos sa business baka hindi bigyan health permit hindi papayagan magbukas. Sa travel naman baka i require din na may covid vaccine bago bigyan visa or clearance. Yan ang nakakabahala baka ganyang requirements ang gawin para mapilitan lahat magpaturok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ratboy View Post
    May nabasa ako possible side effect daw magkalupus, dahil sa messenger RNA antibodies ng vaccine. Delikado ito parang panira ng immune system cells.
    genetic code ng spike ng SARSCOV2 dala ng messenger RNA papasok sa cells natin para gumawa ng spikes (our cells become factories for the spikes)

    the immune system will then detect the spikes when they grows out of our cells

    then our immune system makes antibodies against the spikes

    hindi "messenger RNA antibodies ng vaccine"

    it's not the mRNA the antibodies go after

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    pareho mRNA tech ang bakuna nila Moderna and Pfizer


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    Pero naisip ko baka gawing mandatory na hindi tayo bibigyan ng medical clearance pag walang turok, like hindi papayagan makakuha ng trabaho kung bagsak sa medical dahil walang turok tapos sa business baka hindi bigyan health permit hindi papayagan magbukas. Sa travel naman baka i require din na may covid vaccine bago bigyan visa or clearance. Yan ang nakakabahala baka ganyang requirements ang gawin para mapilitan lahat magpaturok.
    kaya good luck sa mga ayaw magpabakuna

    limitado ang galaw
    Last edited by uls; November 29th, 2020 at 03:57 PM.

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    #19523
    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    kailan sa Pinas?
    Wala akong nabasa na umorder tayo ng Pfizer vaccine probably due to extremely cold storage handling

    Astra Zeneca by next year pa, May or June...

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    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    genetic code ng spike ng SARSCOV2 dala ng messenger RNA papasok sa cells natin para gumawa ng spikes (our cells become factories for the spikes)

    the immune system will then detect the spikes when they grows out of our cells

    then our immune system makes antibodies against the spikes

    hindi "mRNA antibodies ng vaccine"

    pareho mRNA tech ang bakuna nila Moderna and Pfizer



    kaya good luck sa mga ayaw magpabakuna

    limitado ang galaw
    Hindi naman ako anti vaxxer, pero worried ako sa mga development ng bakuna ngayon dahil masyadong minadali, this is the first RNA vaccine in human history sa buong pamumuhay natin walang nakagawa ng RNA vaccine pero ngayon pinilit gawin ng ilang buwan lang. Tapos yung effectiveness ratings na nilabas ng moderna at pfizer astonishing din na sobrang taas nagulat nga daw si fauci na ganun kataas noting na ilang buwan pa lang development tapos first rna vaccine pa sa history, and it did not come out from a scientific journal or peer review eh, press release lang ng kanilang mga management parang hinahype lang ng kanilang respective management so that they could dump their shares at astronomical prices while the markets are having extreme euphoria.

    Oo limitado nga galaw kaso nakakatakot talaga magpaturok lalo na ako may mga allergy ako at auto immune condition na possible maapektuhan dahil sa covid vaccine, antay antayin ko na lang muna baka sakaling mawala na lang bigla yung covid kagaya sa dati sa SARS kahit walang vaccine bigla na lang nawala

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    Quote Originally Posted by ratboy View Post
    Hindi naman ako anti vaxxer, pero worried ako sa mga development ng bakuna ngayon dahil masyadong minadali, this is the first RNA vaccine in human history sa buong pamumuhay natin walang nakagawa ng RNA vaccine pero ngayon pinilit gawin ng ilang buwan lang. Tapos yung effectiveness ratings na nilabas ng moderna at pfizer astonishing din na sobrang taas nagulat nga daw si fauci na ganun kataas noting na ilang buwan pa lang development tapos first rna vaccine pa sa history, and it did not come out from a scientific journal or peer review eh, press release lang ng kanilang mga management parang hinahype lang ng kanilang respective management so that they could dump their shares at astronomical prices while the markets are having extreme euphoria.
    yes masyado rushed

    and yes wala pa vaccine na gumamit ng mRNA technology ngayon palang

    kaya napost ko dati i'm most curious about Moderna's vaccine


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    In manny we trust.

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    do what you gotta do so you can do what you wanna do

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    Quote Originally Posted by bloowolf View Post



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    thanks for the heads-up.
    it will save me some money...

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadow View Post
    pwede harvest breast milk/colostrum ng mother

    may antibodies yan

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadow View Post
    Transfer Factors.

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    #19532
    What % do face shields minimize the spread of the virus? Aren't face masks enough? I don't know why my face shield fogs but my glasses are okay naman. I can barely see! It's so hard to talk pa, good thing I barely talk when I am out, only when I need to purchase something. I have no problem wearing a mask for hours but face shields are so uncomfortable

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Cathy_ View Post
    What % do face shields minimize the spread of the virus? Aren't face masks enough? I don't know why my face shield fogs but my glasses are okay naman. I can barely see! It's so hard to talk pa, good thing I barely talk when I am out, only when I need to purchase something. I have no problem wearing a mask for hours but face shields are so uncomfortable
    i initially thought face shields were overkill, too.
    until i saw an article that shows that face shields do add to the protection.
    the number is small, but it is there, nevertheless.

    i wish i could tell you guys the article source,
    but it is buried in my wife's cellphone since xx weeks ago.
    and she receives dozens of messages daily...
    Last edited by dr. d; November 30th, 2020 at 01:05 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dr. d View Post
    i initially thought face shields were overkill, too.
    until i saw an article that shows that face shields do add to the protection.
    the number is small, but it is there, nevertheless.

    i wish i could tell you guys the article source,
    but it is buried in my wife's cellphone since xx weeks ago.
    and she receives dozens of messages daily...
    Someone mentioned here na sa PH lang required face shield? I wonder what other countries common ang face shield kasi sa US and Germany hindi daw

    I wonder if I can let my fat lab sleep in my room na? I took her to the vet yesterday noon and she had to be carried by 4 people because she refuses to move hahaha! She is known among the staff there as the "lab with a temper/attitude" LOL! She was also handled by her doctor. Pero her vet is SUPER strict kasi nobody can step inside the clinic except the staff and doctors and patients of course. I know there is evidence dogs and cats can catch it pero they rarely get sick from it

    BTW I want to be less obsessive na with my alcohol and soaping regimen. I don't think I need to bilad my car every time I use it or wash the tires. My Lola naman their cars go straight sa garage walang bilad bilad or linis gulong, even visitors park inside e they are all fine naman
    Last edited by _Cathy_; November 30th, 2020 at 02:08 AM.

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    A year after Wuhan alarm, China seeks to change Covid origin story

    Now China is blaming the Indian Subcontinent for the CHINA WUHAN VIRUS

    The Chinese propaganda machinery in full swing

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Cathy_ View Post
    Someone mentioned here na sa PH lang required face shield? I wonder what other countries common ang face shield kasi sa US and Germany hindi daw

    I wonder if I can let my fat lab sleep in my room na? I took her to the vet yesterday noon and she had to be carried by 4 people because she refuses to move hahaha! She is known among the staff there as the "lab with a temper/attitude" LOL! She was also handled by her doctor. Pero her vet is SUPER strict kasi nobody can step inside the clinic except the staff and doctors and patients of course. I know there is evidence dogs and cats can catch it pero they rarely get sick from it

    BTW I want to be less obsessive na with my alcohol and soaping regimen. I don't think I need to bilad my car every time I use it or wash the tires. My Lola naman their cars go straight sa garage walang bilad bilad or linis gulong, even visitors park inside e they are all fine naman
    The virus can stick to the fur. In effect, they act as carriers. Wipe down with a 1% bleach solution on a towelette.


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    RE: Moderna

    early this year when i came across Moderna's vaccine development using mRNA technology na-curious ako and kept reading about it

    before that (like years ago) i already read about the role of messenger RNA in our body -- it carries code (instructions) and goes into cells where cells use the code to make things

    when i found out Moderna is using mRNA tech to make a vaccine i thought it was a gamechanger coz they didn't even need the actual virus to make a vaccine... they only needed the genetic sequence

    in January China posted the virus' genetic sequence for public access

    As soon as scientists got the sequence they isolated code for the virus' spike (coz this the what antibodies will attached to)

    within days they designed a vaccine

    the speed is amazing

    from 2 sources:




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    #19538
    Ito sinasabi ko dito sa atin. If you're willing to pay, you can have the vaccine kahit supposedly wala pa tayo dito. Parang nun mga rapid test kits lang nun early part ng pandemic.

    Covid vaccine rush in China raises fears of booming black market | BusinessMirror

    Mga may pera makakakuha ng vaccines kahit wala pang supply kuno sa Pilipinas.


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    #19539
    Ito maganda para makita yun ilang percent probability na mahahawa ka indoors by all the metrics you set (size ng room, type of mask, ventilation, height ng ceiling, duration you stayed in the room, etc)

    ZEIT ONLINE | Lesen Sie zeit.de mit Werbung oder im PUR-Abo. Sie haben die Wahl.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shadow View Post
    Ito sinasabi ko dito sa atin. If you're willing to pay, you can have the vaccine kahit supposedly wala pa tayo dito. Parang nun mga rapid test kits lang nun early part ng pandemic.

    Covid vaccine rush in China raises fears of booming black market | BusinessMirror

    Mga may pera makakakuha ng vaccines kahit wala pang supply kuno sa Pilipinas.


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    the black market has been in play for ages now.
    only the product changes...
    heh heh.

    i'd wait a while, for until the first users will have shown whether there are ill-effects or not.
    remember the denggoyvaxia.

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