Water heater for Showers

[dreamur]

Bought the Panasonic multi point water heater for P9K. Good security features with mechanical dial.

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[LN106G]

Good day everyone. Im planning to install water heater in my house. Which do you think is better? Install a solar water heater? or Install a multi point electric water heater? By the way, i plan also on installing solar panels to defray cost of electric consumption. Your inputs will be highly appreciated. Thank you.

If you are considering longterm elec bill expenses, then its hands down the solar is the winner.. just dont know how much the initial installation cost of solar powered heater.

I had my traditional steel pressure tank and pressure pump replaced to 200L Bladder tank and to Goulds 1hp 25GPM pump as the old set up cannot supply the needed pressure for two BR for the shared 6.5kW Multipoint Champs. (the old set up is 20-40 psi cut-in & cut-off pressure setup). My new set up now is set at 40-60psi which is very nice, however, the Champs MP 6.5kW cannot heat up adequately the now higher pressure water. Now I need a higher kW multipoint. Im now looking at the 10kW Panasonic. I live in Baguio by the way and a 3.5kW heater is almost useless during dec - feb... even the 6.5kW multipoint puts out tepid water during this cold months and not a joke to take a bath with an icy water.. hehe

[Sebastian Bach]

Hows the quality of AEG / Stiebel Eltron water heaters? Anyone uses this brand as water heater?

[jut703]

Hows the quality of AEG / Stiebel Eltron water heaters? Anyone uses this brand as water heater?

I use a Stiebel Eltron heater. It does its job of heating water effectively and quickly. Chose it over Panasonic because of the smaller size.



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[gongrhey]

+1 on Steibel, mabilis uminit ang tubig. Mas mura ng konti sa Panasonic.

[vinrem]

Hows the quality of AEG / Stiebel Eltron water heaters? Anyone uses this brand as water heater?

I have both, I prefer the stiebel eltron, mas mainit ang tubig ng stiebel eltron and it has stepless control knob which allows you to choose your desired temperature.

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[cast_no_shadow]

I use a Stiebel Eltron heater. It does its job of heating water effectively and quickly. Chose it over Panasonic because of the smaller size.



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Same model tayo gamit bro [emoji16]


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[travajante]

Practically all on-demand water heaters, single or multi-point, are built pretty much the same way. They require 6-8kw, a restriction of flow & a minimum water pressure of around 35kpa/5psi. Their achilles? Won't last long with hard water. They require constant cleaning & are like CVTs...disposable. Though power consumption duration is just as long as the shower, it's 3-4 times more than a good tiny storage type Ariston(Italian...pic below, Wilcon is the Ph distributor).
The advantages of Ariston storage heaters? Requires just 2-3kw. Thermostat & heating element are serviceable/replaceable. Easy to clean....built like conventional A/Ts. Its lone disadvantage is just that lil inconvenience....You'll need to switch it on 5mins prior to taking a shower.
Many who've gone tired of the maintenance & replacement of on-demand heaters have gone Ariston's way. The 4 & 8gal models have the corrosion resistant plastic body. They can be mounted under the lavatory or outside for easier maintenance access.
From service & ownership experience, having tried most out there, I'd point the trusty Ariston. Rebuildable, parts aplenty.....Low maintenance......lesser consumption....way longer service life.[emoji106]

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[Sebastian Bach]

Nice. Thanks guys.

I have Panasonic for more than 10years, im quite satisfied with its quality tho I find their after sales slow and confused. I just want to try the AEG/Stiebel due to its German root.

[xwangbu]

i have an ecotherm sa bahay.
almost 8yrs old na. ok pa nman.

[jut703]

Practically all on-demand water heaters, single or multi-point, are built pretty much the same way. They require 6-8kw, a restriction of flow & a minimum water pressure of around 35kpa/5psi. Their achilles? Won't last long with hard water. They require constant cleaning & are like CVTs...disposable. Though power consumption duration is just as long as the shower, it's 3-4 times more than a good tiny storage type Ariston(Italian...pic below, Wilcon is the Ph distributor).
The advantages of Ariston storage heaters? Requires just 2-3kw. Thermostat & heating element are serviceable/replaceable. Easy to clean....built like conventional A/Ts. Its lone disadvantage is just that lil inconvenience....You'll need to switch it on 5mins prior to taking a shower.
Many who've gone tired of the maintenance & replacement of on-demand heaters have gone Ariston's way. The 4 & 8gal models have the corrosion resistant plastic body. They can be mounted under the lavatory or outside for easier maintenance access.
From service & ownership experience, having tried most out there, I'd point the trusty Ariston. Rebuildable, parts aplenty.....Low maintenance......lesser consumption....way longer service life.[emoji106]

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Ang drama naman ng post na 'to, parang napaka-bad choice ng on-demand heater. [emoji28]

We have an on-demand Ariston heater at home that's been working for the past 8 years and counting. Have claimed warranty once with it but after they replaced the heating element (so actually these heaters are also serviceable), no more issues.

My current Stiebel Eltron also only requires 3.5 KW and isn't a resource-hog. My monthly electric bill is just 1.2k-1.5k.

Also, for people without multi-point plumbing and electrical wiring readily available, having your typical on-demand heater is the easiest and sometimes only choice.

5 min before taking a shower is also a huge time difference especially in the morning rush hour. Will gladly pay extra to get 5 more minutes of sleep in the morning.

Lastly, jusko we're only talking about ~7k here. Over the course of 5 years that's just 4 pesos a day. No big deal really if it's disposable - that said, heaters come with warranty anyway.

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[travajante]

Ang drama naman ng post na 'to, parang napaka-bad choice ng on-demand heater. [emoji28]

We have an on-demand Ariston heater at home that's been working for the past 8 years and counting. Have claimed warranty once with it but after they replaced the heating element (so actually these heaters are also serviceable), no more issues.

My current Stiebel Eltron also only requires 3.5 KW and isn't a resource-hog. My monthly electric bill is just 1.2k-1.5k.

Also, for people without multi-point plumbing and electrical wiring readily available, having your typical on-demand heater is the easiest and sometimes only choice.

5 min before taking a shower is also a huge time difference especially in the morning rush hour. Will gladly pay extra to get 5 more minutes of sleep in the morning.

Lastly, jusko we're only talking about ~7k here. Over the course of 5 years that's just 4 pesos a day. No big deal really if it's disposable - that said, heaters come with warranty anyway.

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Your call to take it as whatever, good sir. Just putting out there some industry feedback & experience w/ various types of heaters. Both types have pros/cons & some brands are better built than others.
The Ariston you have may not be on-demand but storage type, sir....otherwise you won't have that chance to replace the element. The on-demand ones are electronic, the storage is primitive electrical. The preparations are pretty much the same for both.
Yes, the amount isn't much but for the about same cost(which those brands mentioned are) less frequent plumber calls & inconvenience should be welcome bonuses.

Note: pic is a sample spec sheet of a Pana on demand.
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[jut703]

Your call to take it as whatever, good sir. Just sharing some industry experience w/ various types of heaters. Again, not a vendor of any of those brands.
The Ariston you have may not be on-demand but storage type, sir....otherwise you won't have that chance to replace the element. The on-demand ones are electronic, the storage is primitive electrical.

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Not sure if heating element nga yung pinalitan basta the thermostat stopped working, called the warranty guy, came over and fixed it. Same config siya as my Stiebel Eltron (i.e. takes water from the shower water pipe and outputs it to the shower head). Looks something like this:



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[StockEngine]

Travis is a living legend lol...

[travajante]

Not sure if heating element nga yung pinalitan basta the thermostat stopped working, called the warranty guy, came over and fixed it. Same config siya as my Stiebel Eltron (i.e. takes water from the shower water pipe and outputs it to the shower head). Looks something like this:



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That's indeed an Ariston on-demand similar to your current Stiebel, sir. Common faults are caused by calcification of everything...from the trigger, to the flow restricting tubes & the heating element. Once clogged, there won't be enough volume nor pressure to make the heater turn on.
You guys up north aren't on limestone bedrock like our neckodawoods. Water here is super hard. Softeners are a necessity to keep plumbing in constant good service. The on-demand won't have your luck nor half the longevity here.....I hope you can pardon the drama, sir.[emoji120]

Note: Bosch & Ariston share a few identical storage heater models.
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[kinyo]

Our Joven 2000 heater finally gave up after ~15yrs.

New heater installed is Alpha brand. I did some mods to make it work even under low pressure/flow of water.

[dr. d]

"Jett."
after over 8 years, ok pa.
it survived our shift from well water to nawasa water.

[TopEngine]

Champs Aston I have each in my 2 shower rooms at home. Because water flows to it which a conductor and leakage prone, I choose mechanical than heaters with digital components.

[JohnM]

We (aka my wife) chose Lecston primarily because it wasn't plain white like most other brands in its price range. Getting a free rainfall shower with it helped seal the deal.

[oj88]

question po, pag wala ELSD yong heater unit, would a circuit breaker address this issue?? am considering some brands na wala ELSD, just want to confirm kung totoo yong sinasabi ng sales agent. thanks

Apologies that my answer is 6 years delayed....

ELSD prevents you from being electrocuted while taking a shower in case there's an internal fault. If it senses 'leaking' voltages where it shouldn't be (ie. the water coming out, pipes, heater body or chassis), it sends a signal to its internal breaker to trip, shutting off power to the heater. Remember, it doesn't take much electricity to kill you and you'll be long dead before the current can rise up to a level that can trip the breaker in your home so this feature is absolutely a lifesaver.

On all our water heaters, there's a "Test" button that you can press to test if the ELSD is working. When pressed, the heater should immediately shutdown. You can then push another button to reset it.

Look for this feature when you're in the market for such products.

Equally important is good grounding. This will be your last defense in case the heater together with the ELSD fails.