Water as Fuel / HHO Technology [Merged Threads]

[theveed]

Teka....

The new and improved H2O Model 1500 Aquygen™ Gas Generator became available during the first quarter of the year 2005.

Retail price:
$6,995 US dollars
plus tax, plus shipping FOB from Cleveland, Ohio

Ahh... Ehhhh....

[CoDer]

I think we're arguing about different issues here... This guy didn't claim to have invented a water powered machine... But some sort of an additive process to help gasoline producing a hybrid automobile.

Yap... He never claimed to have invented a water powered machince. He takes water, subject it to a chemical process and viola! fuel.

Then again, the technology is young. It will be 10 more years before the science community can conclude that the technology is indeed practical.

Just don't know how pure is the water though.

[mazdamazda]

HHO is produced by spliting H2O. How it is done? I have no idea.

I've just finished re-reading the articles... and it does get weirder!

What they are proposing in their electrolysis process is that they are able to get H2, H (monoatomic!!!) & 02.

AFAIK... creation of a monoatomic Hydrogen can only be done on really low temperatures since it is very unstable.

[CoDer]

What they are proposing in their electrolysis process is that they are able to get H2, H (monoatomic!!!) & 02.

AFAIK... creation of a monoatomic Hydrogen can only be done on really low temperatures since it is very unstable.

Oh bother... Is that some form of kryptonite?

[mazdamazda]

Oh bother... Is that some form of kryptonite?

oh wait... they retracted their initial theory...

It now seems more clear; Brown's Gas is just 'expanded water molecules'. Brown's Gas is too heavy to be mon-atomic, it is even too heavy to be di-atomic; but it is exactly the right weight to be water-gas (di-hydrogen oxide in gaseous form).

I currently think that Brown's Gas is water and that it is water that has absorbed electricity like a sponge absorbs water. I think that the atomic bonds are NOT broken, so Brown's Gas is STILL WATER; just in a high energy gaseous form that is NOT steam.

expanded water molecules? hmmmmmmmm...

[CoDer]

just in a high energy gaseous form that is NOT steam.

Hehehe... Anong klaseng gas kaya yan?

[ghosthunter]

oh wait... they retracted their initial theory...

expanded water molecules? hmmmmmmmm...

Must be related to PI-Water.

[ghosthunter]

HHO is produced by spliting H2O. How it is done? I have no idea.

When you split H2O (water), you get H2 & O2 and not HHO. There is no such thing as HHO.

The best part of this technology is, when you burn the HHO gas it turns bak into water. That is a perfect green technology!

But it would be more than 10 years before we can get an affordable comercial form of this technology into our cars.

You missed one very vital thing. In a ideal world, the energy you get from "burning" H2 & O2 should be the same to split H2O. But in the real world, you have to deal with entropy, frictional losses and system inefficiencies.

As a system to power anything by itself, it will never happen. The proposed system is like trying to make a perpetual motion machine.

[CoDer]

The technology is too good to be true as of this moment. Maybe 20 more years before the scientific can come-up with a very efficient alternative fuel. Maybe water is indeed a good start in looking for that alternative fuel.

When you think of it... The technology is indeed shocking. How in the world can you bond two Hydrogen Atom? With one oxygen atom? that's water!

[ghosthunter]

Oo nga. You can't produce HHO from H2O without electrolysis.

Let's clear the air.

1. We can't burn water.
2. We subject water to an electrolysis to produce HHO.
3. We need water to get HHO.
3. We can burn HHO.

This means water as an alternative source for the fuel is indeed scientificaly feasible.

You just missed one crucial point. ENERGY.

If we assume entropy to be zero at the moment, the energy used to split water is the same amount of total energy you get from combining H2 & O2.

So assuming you will need to tap into that system to move something, where will you get that excess energy to power your vehicle? If you take 1% of the total energy in the H2O to H2&O2 to H2O system, then it will only return 99% of the total energy. Taking out 50% from the total energy will make the system return 50% of total energy.

Energy assumed to be whatever form you can use: Kinetic, heat, electrical, chemical, etc.

If it takes 100 Kjoules of energy to electrolize a fixed volume of water to H2 & O2, then ideally it will release back 100 Kjoules of back when you combine H2 & O2 to form water.