Military Hardware Thread [Split]

[badkuk]

niky:Rutan aircraft would make good, cheap recon and spotter planes, though.

hmm...tingin ko mas ok ung predator drone for this. dunno about the cost though

[niky]

The predator will cost much more, and will be difficult to maintain. And think about it. If we've got stupid pilots in the program, instead of crashing one plane and wasting a pilot, they can crash them again and again and again and... :lol:

[badkuk]

well...you could deduct the cost of the drone from their pay :D seriously though, baka mahal nga ung maintenance. in fact i see a trend, parang increasingly sophisticated and hard to maintain ung lumalabas na mga military hardware lately. If someone somes up with an ElectroMagnetic Pulse weapon, lagot!

[ghosthunter]

As regards the Rutan LongEZ. It's too light to effectively carry ordnance. We'd probably have to buy a larger platform.

Plus, civilian aircraft don't have hardpoints for external bomb and rocket storage. They might put too much stress on the wings. With helicopters, this isn't much of a problem as the winglets don't have to support the aircraft. Rutan aircraft would make good, cheap recon and spotter planes, though.

I did say base it around the Rutan longEZ, not use the actual longEZ kits. It simple to scale up the design and have it modified to suit local needs & requirements. This would also include external hardpoints for ordinace or extra fuel tanks.

Example, a local version of the military longEZ can easily be 75% bigger body to house all the required electronics, internal mounted cannons, ammo, a bigger engine & larger fuel tank. Engine exhausts can also be routed to exhaust upwards to reduce noise heard at ground level when cruising. Wings would be strengthened with kevlar leading edges & locally available composites for the rest of the wing.

[StraightSix]

I did say base it around the Rutan longEZ, not use the actual longEZ kits. It simple to scale up the design and have it modified to suit local needs & requirements. This would also include external hardpoints for ordinace or extra fuel tanks.

Example, a local version of the military longEZ can easily be 75% bigger body to house all the required electronics, internal mounted cannons, ammo, a bigger engine & larger fuel tank. Engine exhausts can also be routed to exhaust upwards to reduce noise heard at ground level when cruising. Wings would be strengthened with kevlar leading edges & locally available composites for the rest of the wing.

Don't you mean wing spars instead of leading edges? Leading edges are strengthened to avoid problems from heat generated by high speed.

But since we're into Long EZ's, it has neither spars nor ribs, because the wing is made of foam and fiberglass. R/C plane modelers are very familiar with this type of construction because it offers minimal weight.

And here lies the fundamental problem with your proposition ... because the hallmarks of Rutan's designs are weight and aerodynamics (not to mention the weird shapes). Put a lot of weight and foul up the airflow, what you'll have is a plane not designed to fly for the job it was given. Change the construction method and I doubt if you'll come up with the same craft and still retain the same performance.

I'd go with niky on this one ... a cheap recon/patrol craft with pocket gps and cellphone (cheap nga, hehe).

[empy]

also you can give the pilot a bunch of hand grenades for "bombing runs" :bwahaha:

[badkuk]

heck, nagulat nga ako when someone said we were using Little Bird choppers for bombing rebels. inimagine ko tuloy na ung co-pilot ang nagbabato ng molotov bombs, ala WWI :D

[niky]

Actually, a bigger version of the LongEZ with reinforced wing spars would work. But no to internal storage, as that would compromise the design too much. Multimission external pylons would be better.

Oh, yung ARES pala yung mudfighter... still, too bad it's not a production model:


This one would be good for a ground support/suppression aircraft:

I imagine the twin-boom configuration would allow easy installation of weapons pylon hardpoints, the inline twin-props give greater maneuverability than other twin engine planes, and the twin engine configuration provides fallback in case of engine failure.

Ang sarap mangarap.

[StraightSix]

also you can give the pilot a bunch of hand grenades for "bombing runs" :bwahaha:

Nagtitipid din lang eh di whistle bomb na lang from Bulacan, hehe.

OT: Don't you hate war movies when prop rockets try to immitate the real thing? Maski RPG, may smoke trail sa movies, ekis-ekis pa

[yebo]

found this in a canadaian web site, top 20 military aircraft fleet of 2003. includes all types of aircraft from trainers, transports, fighter, bombers, etc.

"Each year, the journal Aviation Week and Space Technology publishes a compendium of aviation statistics entitled the Aerospace Source Book. Statistics in the 2003 edition show that 171 countries reported operating military aircraft. (Note that these numbers include many unsophisticated transport and general-aviation aircraft types used for utility purposes.)

The world’s 20 largest military fleets are listed in descending order in Table 13.1. The numbers are impressive, but it should be remembered that there have been substantial reductions in the military fleets of several countries in the past few years. For example, between 1998 and 2003, the Canadian Forces’ fleet was reduced from 581 to 427 aircraft.

Country Number of Aircraft
1. U.S.A. 16,511
2. China 9,372
3. Russia 9,220
4. Ukraine 2,687
5. France 1,868
6. India 1,820
7. Japan 1,749
8. United Kingdom 1,574
9. North Korea 1,536
10. Germany 1,324
11. Italy 1,252
12. South Korea 1,252
13. Libya 1,091
14. Syria 1,053
15. Isreal 1,038
16. Iran 931
17. Egypt 927
18. Pakistan 923
19. Taiwan 891
20. Turkey 865 "
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1xx. Philippines ... from the Sunday Times: "WHAT does the Philippine Air Force consist of? According to information, all the PAF has are five S21 jets, 65 helicopters of various types, two C-130 Hercules cargo planes and 39 assorted aircraft, or a total of 111 air assets....Of these aircraft, many are grounded for repairs and safety reasons. None of the F-5A/B jet fighters of the PAF Fighter Wing are serviceable....Of the 38 UH1H Huey helicopters, 85 percent are operational. The T-41D Cessna trainers of the PAF Flying School have the lowest readiness rate at 48 percent....The PAF spokesman, Lt. Col. Restituto Padilla, told The Manila Times that only two of the original 18 Marchetti SF26 training aircraft are flying. The rest are grounded."

i want to cry huhuhuhu!

[niky]

Sigh... can we beg a few from Taiwan? Astig ang air fleet nila doon... nakatago sa bundok ang mga airbase... a la Voltes V. :lol:

[StraightSix]

Sigh... can we beg a few from Taiwan? Astig ang air fleet nila doon... nakatago sa bundok ang mga airbase... a la Voltes V. :lol:

We already did

The PAF received 4 F-5's from Taiwan in 1989, including an operational one in exchange for one of the country's last P-51D Mustang's (a classic WWII fighter) that used to be on display at the PAF Museum. These aircrafts were used as parts sources to keep the fleet flying. 2 more were received from Taiwan in 1997.

There was a rumored negotiation for the transfer of 24 Tawainese F-5's for a small fee, but because of the implications the deal was abandoned.

In 1998, 5 F-5's were bought from South Korea at a friendly price of $100 each, in recognition of the country's help to South Korea during the Korean War - mainly the Philippine Expeditionary Force to Korea (PEFToK).

Both Taiwan and South Korea produce F-5's under license.

[niky]

That's good news at least. That means to F5 will likely last as a frontline fighter for another decade or so. (I'd hate to see a good plane like that retire).

Would be nicer if we had the funding to fix ours.

[rsnald]

eto na lang pala natitirang aircraft sa inventory ng PAF

Aircraft of the PAF

First posted 06:31am (Mla time) Oct 23, 2005
Inquirer News Service

Editor's Note: Published on page A16 of the October 23, 2005 issue of the Philippine Daily Inquirer


Huey; 41
Nomad (light lift aircraft); 3
MG-520 (attack helicopter); 17
OV-10 (bomber plane); 14
S-211 (trainer jet); 4
C130 (cargo plane); 2
Sikorsky helicopter (for rescue); 5
Huey 2 (for rescue); 1
Bell 205 (for rescue); 2
Bell 412 (presidential aircraft); 6
Fokker F27 (presidential aircraft); 1
Fokker F28 (presidential aircraft); 1
Black Hawk (in storage); 1
SF260 Turboprop (light attack aircraft); 6
SF260 Mentor (basic trainer aircraft); 3
Layang (trainer aircraft); 1
T41D (primary trainer aircraft) or Cessna; 12

[Blackraven]

I just saw the F-22 once again sa Discovery Channel and it's one hell of a plane.

Yung jet booster niya adjustable siya so it can move at any angle, waw.

A plane for the future of military warfare.

But I have question.

May counterpart na ba to serve as a rival for the F-22 Raptor (ie. like a new-gen Russian MIG or something)???

[Isuzoom]

Hay naku wag na tayong mag asa pa mag ka F-14 or any surplus from the U.S. Budget for defense upgrade nawala pa! Air Force talaga! wala nga tayong budget for boots.

[badkuk]

blackraven:May counterpart na ba to serve as a rival for the F-22 Raptor (ie. like a new-gen Russian MIG or something)???

pagkakaalam ko some european countries are jointly developing the EuroFighter. me thrust vectoring din tulad ng raptor. dunno what happened to it though

[nicolodeon]

pagkakaalam ko some european countries are jointly developing the EuroFighter. me thrust vectoring din tulad ng raptor. dunno what happened to it though

The Eurofighter (called the Typhoon) was jointly developed by the UK, Italy, Spain and Germany. The fighter is now in full production. Turkey recently entered into the fray and has started participating in the Eurofighter program.

[StraightSix]

The Eurofighter (called the Typhoon) was jointly developed by the UK, Italy, Spain and Germany. The fighter is now in full production. Turkey recently entered into the fray and has started participating in the Eurofighter program.

Delivery of the Typhoon started in 2003.

In the UK, Nos 17 and 29 Squadrons of the Royal Air Force are already equipped with the Typhoon, with operational capability (combat readiness) due in 2006-2007. Earlier this year, a 2-seater Typhoon crewed by BAE and RAF pilots made a transatlantic flight to undergo trials and tests in China Lake, California.

[niky]

The Eurofighter may be able to compete with the F22 in terms of maneuverability, but in terms of technology, I doubt if we'll see any fighter aircraft competitive with the F22 anytime soon.

US military hardware has reached the point where it's got units which are economically unfeasible for most competing nations. Without a high-tech war in which to use these things, supplies will remain limited and prices will remain high.

It's one of the problems with the B2. A bomber which is just too expensive for the wars the USAF needs to fight.