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    wala pa yata helicopter na huey ng WW2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EL Chicane
    On the other hand, supersonic ba talaga yang F-5 ? :question:

    Para kasing maghihiwalay yung mga piyesa niya sa hitsura pa lang.
    wag mo ismolin ang F-5A. if you watched the movie Top Gun (and an earlier movie "Red Eye"??? forgot the title), the fighters that were ranged against the F14's and F4's (in the earlier movie) were either A4's or F-5A's. sabi nga sa Top Gun, they have the same dog fighting capabilities as the MIG28.

    the reason they are being retired is that the govt has no money to maintain them, not because they are ineffective. Singapore, South Korea, Taiwan and Thailand still has plenty of (well maintained) F5's in their fleet. pag nasa singapore shipyard nga kami ang lagi namin nakikita na ginagamit nila sa exercises mga F5's, very rarely do we see F16's (maybe they are in another airfield?).

    supersonic? the only time na ginagamit ang supersonic speed is if you are running away from an anti aircraft missile. kahit na F15 pa sakay mo kung tinira ka ng missile i doubt it if supersonic speed makes much difference. kaya nga nag-switch ng aircraft design ng US (from mach 2.5 F15's to mach 1.8 Joint Strike Fighter), emphasizing more on stealth and low thermal signature. subok na kasi kahit ano bilis ng fighter plane mas mabilis pa din ang missile. pag nag-lock na yung missile goodbye ka na. pag di ka nakita nung missile, due to stealthyness or low thermal sig, ligtas ka. proven na ng F117-A, subsonic pero kahit isa wala pa na-shoot down.

    kung may pera lang ako bili ako isa nyan!

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    yebo

    di kaya mabilis at manuevrable ang f5 sa top gun kasi stripped sya of any arnament?

    yung engine ng F5 orginally was designed para sa missile/rocket. Adopted lang yan because F5 is the kia pride ng aircraft fighters, It was originally designed as a "poor Governments" fighter jet, during nun cold war. american govt need to sell something to poor allied countries nun cold war, and sigurado sila pag hindi sila nag benta ng murang fighter baka bumili at mapalapit sa soviet

    yung f5 kung hindi ako nagkakamali never naging front line fighter sa US air force, pag training lang ata sa kanila

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    yep tama si Yebo, may newer version nga ang F5 which is the F20, same basic design but more powerful engines and avionics yata. Yebo I think the movie was red star basta may red sa title, was small pa when I saw it but I remember that movie ala Top gun ang storyline.

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    MOJO,

    correct, it was the poor man's fighter jet. but that does not mean it was limp. the US air force did used it in vietnam for evaluation purposes only.

    the "F5" trainer that the US airforce you refer to is actually the T38 Talon, an F5 twin/look-alike and was actually the predecessor of the F5.

    "F-5A Freedom Fighter

    The F-5 is a supersonic fighter combining low cost, ease of maintenance, and great versatility. More than 2,000 F-5 aircraft have been procured by the USAF for use by allied nations. The F-5, which resembles the USAF Northrop T-38 trainer, is suitable for various types of ground-support and aerial intercept missions, including those which would have to be conducted from sod fields in combat areas.
    The F-5 first flew on July 30, 1959 and deliveries to the Tactical Air Command for instructing foreign pilots began in April 1964. Pilots from Iran and South Korea were the first to be trained in the F-5, followed by pilots from Norway, Greece, Taiwan, Spain, and other Free World nations which have adopted the F-5. A two place combat trainer version, the F-5B, first flew in February 1964. In 1966-67, a USAF squadron of F-5s flew combat missions in Southeast Asia for operational evaluation purposes."

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    F5-G/F20 Tigershark was in direct competition with the F16. it had the same engine as the F18 (but only 1 as against 2 on the F18), top speed of mach 2.3 and had a smaller turning radius than the F16 (it could actually out-fight the F16 in a dog fight.) i read somewhere before (long time ago) the F-16 was chosen because the US did not want to award 2 contracts (F18 and F20) to one manufacturer (the engine only by northrop, since the F18 is actually manufactured by mcdonnel douglas).

    napaka-poor talaga natin, F5-A na lang nga meron tayo nawala pa.
    Last edited by yebo; October 2nd, 2005 at 10:10 PM.

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    d nman, may mdami tyo F4!!












    F4 fans :p

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    kawawa namn pilipinas kpag ininvade tyo :D

    i heard before na bibigyan da tyo ng mga f16 ng U.S.?

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    malabo yang invasion. malabong mangyari yan.

    and besides, even if they weren't going to be junked, i sincerely doubt that five or ten of those F-5s would make any difference when something like China would invade. hehehe.

    regarding armed insurgencies like the Abu Sayyaf, ginagamit ba yung F-5s na yan dun? parang hindi yata. and besides, sa tingin ko may mga "ibang dahilan" kung bakit hindi masugpu-sugpo yang mga NPA at abu sayyaf na yan even after the "full might" of the AFP is deployed against them. hehe (but that's a topic for another day).

    so the decision to mothball the planes makes good sense, imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yebo
    MOJO,



    "F-5A Freedom Fighter

    The F-5 is a supersonic fighter combining low cost, ease of maintenance, and great versatility. More than 2,000 F-5 aircraft have been procured by the USAF for use by allied nations. The F-5, which resembles the USAF Northrop T-38 trainer, is suitable for various types of ground-support and aerial intercept missions, including those which would have to be conducted from sod fields in combat areas.
    ."

    ot lang meron ba fighter jet na nakakapag dogfight kahit nasa supersonic speed

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