Military Hardware Thread [Split]

[StraightSix]

hehe... nuclear power plant pa nga lang sa bataan hindi na magkaugaga sa kaka rally ang mga tao sa manila against it... nuclear silos pa kaya hehe!

Hanggang ngayon ba eh interest pa rin lang ang nababayaran dito? Di ba maraming nang silo diyan sa Pangasinan/Tarlac, kita sa highway?

[StraightSix]

when you say kilotons, yun yun di-nrop o yun yun magnitude ng naproduce na bomb

Either way, his figure's wrong.

[jaeger]

(the a-bombs dropped in Japan during WWII were 2 kilotons).

Ooops, I stand corrected, the A-bombs that were dropped over Japan were 12 to 15 kilotons. It was the test nuke in Nevada? that was only 2 kilotons.

[mazdamazda]

During the 60's up to the 90's all soviet made anti-ship missiles had 3 basic characteristics:

1- OTH range (40 to 60 nautical miles as the americans would put it)
2- accept mid-course guidance from a Kamov tandem rotor helo
3- pack a 20 kiloton nuke warhead (minimum, some had 1-megaton nukes)

One problem with that...

All CBGs have a Hawkeye recon aircraft with them. It has a range of 1300 miles and can cover a 3 billion cubic mile radius with its advanced radar system (this is the plane with the huge radar above it). It has the ability to track ships & other airborne targets & guide missiles against them.

siguro puwede na 'to sa tin. can afford na nga natin ito ...

The AFP already have a light helicopter similar to that. Mostly used to bomb rebel camps in Mindanao.

[badkuk]

*oldblue: yup, un nga B). small, maneuverable, cheap. wag mo lang nga paliparin pag me bagyo :D

one drawback though: wala masyadong armoring

tuloy pa rin ba production ng russian HIND series? Ok rin un, parang flying tank B)

for military history buffs, abangan nyo ung mga docus on channel A1(some australian channel i think) lots of interesting docus about little known WW2 facts. Currently the series docus the war at the Eastern front -- Russia to be exact; it doesn't paint a pretty picture of Stalin B)

kung di ako nagkakamali, around 8-9pm saturdays, with replays on sunday mornings

[rhops]

All CBGs have a Hawkeye recon aircraft with them. It has a range of 1300 miles and can cover a 3 billion cubic mile radius with its advanced radar system (this is the plane with the huge radar above it). It has the ability to track ships & other airborne targets & guide missiles against them.



Yup I agree with mazda here. Sometimes CBGs even have AWACS support coming off canada or from Britain (in case of convoy crossing the atlantic. One of the problem then is that warsaw pact doesnt have a bomber that has the legs to intercept with the CBG, except of course the Bear (heck this things could really stay up in the air a long time). Yung mga badger and backfires (??? not sure kung ito nga code name neto) simply cannot cope with the range. Kung surface ships naman they could be picked off by F18s with harpoons and some A6 then tapos unahan na lang to get a firing solution to launch the ships SSMs. Pero syempre nandyan yung tactical nukes which for me is a political weapon because using these would be MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) hehe. Pero kung conventional weapons i guess a CBG is very hard to beat. Irony nga is you should feel safe in a carrier kasi its the best protected ship pero eto rin ang primary target ng kalaban

The AFP already have a light helicopter similar to that. Mostly used to bomb rebel camps in Mindanao.[/QUOTE]


yup AH6 "little bird" used commonly by spec ops forces because of its small size and manueverability. I just dunno kung pareho specs neto dun sa MD 500/520 na ginagamit na natin.

[yebo]

i believe the ah6 and the paf md520 are variants of the same weapons systems. only thing is the paf does not have the money to acquire M134 7.62-mm 6x barrel Gatling type twin MG pods so they bought the .50 cal MG pods instead.

[FrankDrebin]

Meron na tayong little bird choppers, what we need is a replacement for the Hueys and a an armored attack choppers like the Cobra or Apache.

[so_obVIOS]

All CBGs have a Hawkeye recon aircraft with them. It has a range of 1300 miles and can cover a 3 billion cubic mile radius with its advanced radar system (this is the plane with the huge radar above it). It has the ability to track ships & other airborne targets & guide missiles against them.

Well ever since the cold war went "too cold", the CBGs have been primarily used as floating airbases for invasions. No country today would like to engage a CBG.

Come to think of it, 1 CBG is more powerful than most of the worlds armed forces. Heck, a CBG with 1 attached Marine Expeditionary Force is more powerful than the entire AFP.

[orly_andico]

regarding the destruction of carrier battle groups:
the soviets had two methods of doing so..

1) the oscar-class SSGN with the Granit missile (although the russian heavy cruisers like the Peter the Great and their carrier also carries the Granit), mach 2.25 speed, 600km range

2) (tom clancy used this device in his book "red storm rising") send a whole squadron of Tu-160 supersonic bombers against the CBG, and all of them would salvo their AS-10 cruise missiles. the AS-10 is a low-flying missile with a "flying geese" behavior (one missile takes the lead, others follow it like a flock of geese; if the "lead goose" gets shot down, another missile will take over the lead) in the book, a salvo of 200+ cruise missiles was able to destroy the carrier simply by overwhelming the aegis defense system

[so_obVIOS]

Hehe, dami palang military geeks dito. Anyways if we really want to look forward, we should abandon manned fighters altogether and jump the UAV bandwagon.

But the way things are going, paper airplane na alng paliliparin ng PAF.

Any country that wishes to take the Philippines will inherit ALL it's problems , so I don't think anybody would be eager to invade us. The most they'll do is probably take the Spratlys and that's it hehe.

Yes, paper planes with our external debt printed on it would be a deterrent enough We don't need expensive weapons.

[jaeger]

One problem with that...

All CBGs have a Hawkeye recon aircraft with them. It has a range of 1300 miles and can cover a 3 billion cubic mile radius with its advanced radar system (this is the plane with the huge radar above it). It has the ability to track ships & other airborne targets & guide missiles against them.

Very good point, but isn't that the first order of battle is to neutralize all C^3-i infrastructure of the enemy (paano ba mag-exponent dito) Command, Control, Communications and intelligence infrastructure of your adversary; so I presume that the first targets will be to down all those AWACS platforms with a ship-launched SAM with a dual HARM (homing anti-rad missile, will home to source of emitting or jamming emmissions) as primary guidance and terminal guidance with active seeker head, so your enemy will go blind. So as you said, unahan na lang talaga.

I remember sa Red Storm Rising, the US used a stripped down F-15C which can breathe thin air armed with ASAT missiles to kill all the soviet military satellites in the lower atmosphere- Hi-tech na masyado.

[FrankDrebin]

Nothing is invincible my lad. Even the great Roman Empire fell and crumble to the ground. Even the undefeatable Napoleon was defeated. Even the Invincible Spanish Armada was sunk.

[mazdamazda]

regarding the destruction of carrier battle groups:
the soviets had two methods of doing so..

1) the oscar-class SSGN with the Granit missile (although the russian heavy cruisers like the Peter the Great and their carrier also carries the Granit), mach 2.25 speed, 600km range

2) (tom clancy used this device in his book "red storm rising") send a whole squadron of Tu-160 supersonic bombers against the CBG, and all of them would salvo their AS-10 cruise missiles. the AS-10 is a low-flying missile with a "flying geese" behavior (one missile takes the lead, others follow it like a flock of geese; if the "lead goose" gets shot down, another missile will take over the lead) in the book, a salvo of 200+ cruise missiles was able to destroy the carrier simply by overwhelming the aegis defense system

The Aegis isn't the only line of defense that a CBG has. A Hawkeye + F14 can also be utilized to intercept such threats.

The Granit & AS-10 are a bit old... what is worrisome is the new Yakhont & Moskit supersonic cruise missiles (lighter & longer range) which are still untested against current US missile defense. These are the best missiles out in the market! Besting the their Western counterparts (Tomahawk & Exocet of the USA & France, respectively). Though one wonders if these are just the marketing strategies of Russia in order to sell them to China. Hehe.

[BlueBimmer]

wanna strike fear in the hearts of your enemies? nuclear sub. not sure if there are nuke subs still operating though

[rhops]

regarding the destruction of carrier battle groups:
the soviets had two methods of doing so..

1) the oscar-class SSGN with the Granit missile (although the russian heavy cruisers like the Peter the Great and their carrier also carries the Granit), mach 2.25 speed, 600km range

2) (tom clancy used this device in his book "red storm rising") send a whole squadron of Tu-160 supersonic bombers against the CBG, and all of them would salvo their AS-10 cruise missiles. the AS-10 is a low-flying missile with a "flying geese" behavior (one missile takes the lead, others follow it like a flock of geese; if the "lead goose" gets shot down, another missile will take over the lead) in the book, a salvo of 200+ cruise missiles was able to destroy the carrier simply by overwhelming the aegis defense system

for no. 2 scenario actually kelts was launched as a decoy drawing out fighter coverage from the carrier, actually aegis could still track problem is wala na sila AAMs I also remembered that they launched their bombers from reykjavik iceland since the russian invaded iceland first to serve as a forward airbase,.So basically they neutralized the GIUK line of NATO which serves as an important dat gathering network in the Atlantic. Pero oks din yung ginawa ng US dun they struck the bomber fleet on the way back with F14s coming off UK, and with some cruise missiles (I think). Mukhang huhukayin ko uli yung paperback copy ko ah hehe

[Stuckinstock]

makes me wanna read red storm again.


but i think mas malapit sa panahon ngayon yung bear and the dragon.

[jaeger]

yep, same here I'll look for my old Red Storm Rising paperback - very well written. Couldn't drop the book, read it in one whole morning.

*Mojo, modeller ka rin ba kasi link mo is from jaguarmodels. I want to get a 1/200 Sovermenny Class Destroyer from trump but it will take forever to super-detail.

[FrankDrebin]

How about arms/ammo/armor for the infantry?

[niky]

Grabe... andaming individual threads sa loob nitong thread.

As for the choppers, we don't need expensive gunships like the Apache or multi-role choppers like the Blackhawk. What we need is a simple and agile multi-role helicopter for ground fire support, recon and troop transport. I think the British Westland Lynx would serve that purpose well. What's even better is that it is very agile and easy to fly. A plus, given the conditions here in the Philippines.

As for the nuke question. 2 kilotons is definitely enough to take out a carrier group, even with a near miss, as EMP would take out all unshielded electronics close enough to the blast. And that includes just about all the radar and surveillance equipment.

The point is moot, though... there are no countries aggressive towards the US that have enough of a naval presence to get close to the CBGs during a war. Peacetime is another matter. Remember the cruiser that got hit by that exocet missile? Technology counts for nothing if you're not expecting an attack. And it counts for less than that in Urban/Jungle Guerilla warfare, which is about the only fighting that counts nowadays.