The Kia Sedona/Carnival Thread [ARCHIVE]

[diesoline]

whats an EGR?

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EXHAUST GAS RECIRCULATION

This is an emissions control technique for reducing oxides of nitrogen emissions in the tailpipe. A small amount of exhaust gas is recirculated back into the intake manifold to dilute the incoming air/fuel mixture. Contrary to what you'd think, it has a cooling effect on combustion temperatures that helps reduce the formation of oxides of nitrogen (See NoX). The EGR valve is the main control device in this system.

The EGR valve is the main emissions control component in the exhaust gas recirculation system. The valve is located on the intake manifold, and opens a small passageway between the exhaust and intake manifold to allow a metered amount of exhaust to flow back into the engine. This reduces combustion temperatures and helps control the formation of oxides of nitrogen. The EGR valve is opened by the application of vacuum to its control diaphragm. Some also require a certain amount of exhaust back pressure before they'll open. On newer vehicles, the valve is electronic and uses one or more solenoids or a small stepper motor. The valve should remain closed while the engine is cold and at idle. It should only open once the engine has warmed up and is running at part-throttle. If the valve sticks shut (or is disconnected), NOX emissions will soar and detonation will often result (See Detonation and Spark Knock). If it sticks in the open position or fails to close all the way, it acts like a vacuum leak resulting in a rough idle, hesitation and possible stalling.



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rodski afaik did a diy cleaning of his carnival's egr valve which he detailed in some posts early in this thread. the eqr cleaning can also be done in any kia casa or reputable repair shop. afaik it is a half-day job. the turbo cleaning can be done in one day and one can elect to have the egr serviced at the same time. the only problem with having them done at the same time is that one will not be able to see which service has done the better improvement to performance. if one has the time, i think it is better to have one service done after the other.

following mikey177's advice i searched the tsikot threads re turbo cleaning. this one came up. interesting. anyway, this is the key post

i dont know the exact adress... its very near the blumentritt palengke..

MSF auto works, owner is Rolly; cel no. is 09165886994

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[jundat]

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[mikey177]

Guys meron na ba sainyong nag ka problem sa power steering nila? kasi ung 03 sedona namin eh tinotopak ung power steering minsan matigas minsan malambot ung manibela! bagong palit naman ung fluid at ok din naman ung belt! anu kaya problem nito, wala kasi akong ganong time pumunta ng kasa ehh!

Well, I don't know what the solution is, but my '02 Sedona just manifested the same symptoms as yours. Tinanong ko sa mekaniko dito kung advisable kaya palitan ang power steering fluid pero sabi nya closed system naman yun kaya hindi dapat magka-impurities dun. Anyway, pupunta ako ng Kia Quezon Ave sa Lunes para magpapalit ng timing belt. Isasabay ko na rin ipa-check yung PS system at babalitaan ko kayo.

[Mamar]

Well, I don't know what the solution is, but my '02 Sedona just manifested the same symptoms as yours. Tinanong ko sa mekaniko dito kung advisable kaya palitan ang power steering fluid pero sabi nya closed system naman yun kaya hindi dapat magka-impurities dun. Anyway, pupunta ako ng Kia Quezon Ave sa Lunes para magpapalit ng timing belt. Isasabay ko na rin ipa-check yung PS system at babalitaan ko kayo.

Cge bro balitaan mo nalang ako kung anu problem ng power steering mo malang pareho lang naman ung satin ehh!

[rodski]

Hello Tsikoteers,

hello From Singapore, To those having problems with the power steering. I had the same experience with my carnival recently lah. So since my carnival will be bought by my sister pina da works ko na kay Zee. They fixed the power steering, strut bearing, refilled the shocks.

For those with the egr problem. The best solution now is to go for the PEtron carbon clean. They put the chemical on the fuel system and the intake manifold. So dali lahat ng "gunk".

Currently Driving the Mercedes Vitto in Singapore. Since this is a commercial goods Van this is diesel. Walang usok ito. I am studying how the mercedez guys did it. I will keep you guys posted on my discovery. I see canisters and stuff in the engine bay.

tnx

rodski

[DacoTyan]

Well, I don't know what the solution is, but my '02 Sedona just manifested the same symptoms as yours. Tinanong ko sa mekaniko dito kung advisable kaya palitan ang power steering fluid pero sabi nya closed system naman yun kaya hindi dapat magka-impurities dun. Anyway, pupunta ako ng Kia Quezon Ave sa Lunes para magpapalit ng timing belt. Isasabay ko na rin ipa-check yung PS system at babalitaan ko kayo.

mikey177, did you have that power steering checked out? What was the problem?

[rodski]

Hello GUys,

What Zee did to the power steering was to pull down the pump and replace o rings and stuff. Then they sand the spinning rotor to make it flat again. After that they will purge the entire power steering mechanism with a fluid with cleaning properties. Ayon solve ang problema.

The symptoms I had was that matigas ang steering. gagaan pag high rpm. tapos pag menor mo to turn ang bigat ulit. Also a month before that pinalitan namin yung PS hoses as PM (Preventive maintenance) dahil nakababa ang engine for the timing belt and oil pump PM. Ayon pinalitan din yung power steering fluid.

Hope this helps.

tnx

Rodski

[mikey177]

mikey177, did you have that power steering checked out? What was the problem?

Wala pang feedback sakin ang Kia Quezon Ave, pina-una ko kasi yung pagpalit ng timing belt kasabay ng 150,000-km PMS. Tawag ako mamayang hapon baka may update na by then.

[ecport]

same thing happened to me a week ago. casa said it's a major problem with the fuel pump. damn the man!

Hello. I experienced a similar problem. In my case, my Carnival's engine would crank but not start. Tried to start it several times until the battery almost ran out. Then all of sudden it just sprang to life. While driving though, I noticed that the RPM would drop to Zero (O) everytime I release the accelerator pedal. But inspite of that the Carnival's engine did not stop. Finally, after another week the Carnival was really dead. No amount of cranking would start the engine. The problem was traced to a busted fuse (No. 18, 15A). This fuse protects what the mechanic said was a soleniod that controls the fuel going into the engine. It opens a valve to let fuel in when you crank the engine and closes it shut when you turn the engine off.

After this I had problems with my alternator. The battery was drained too. I had the alternator checked and the mechanic said that the alternator did not give out sufficient power. I replaced the alternator (85Watts). I believe there are two types, one for manual and one for automatic. Mine is automatic, 85Watts, the manual comes with another brand. Cost of new Kia alternator, PHP 16.5K. Ouch. I have a 2001 Carnival LS.

If any of you need a good Kia mechanic and access to original Kia Carnival parts let me know. I have been having my Kia Carnival serviced by Wheels and Delta Motors only UNTIL I realized they were charging me so much for the parts. Worse, they did not tell me what the real problems were plus the quality of work was really shoddy.

I ran into my friend's brother whose company imports Kia/Starex parts direct from Korea. Their company supplies Wheels and Delta motors and Kia casas. He works for a Korean national and supplies the Banaue and provincial auto outlets as well. He was the one who recommended the mechanic. So, I have a good mechanic and access to original Kia parts at dealer prices.

[hinlog]

hi there,

I would like to know how much does it normally cost to undercoat our Kia Car? Any recommended shop in the Southern part of Manila as I live in Laguna?

thanks in advance.

[benchph1]

if i remember correctly, i paid 1k ++ plus for an undercoat job for our carnival. labor & 2 containers of 3m undercoat inclusive.

any shell gas station can do this. i had mine done at shell marcos hiway.

[DacoTyan]

Hello Tsikoteers,

hello From Singapore, To those having problems with the power steering. I had the same experience with my carnival recently lah. So since my carnival will be bought by my sister pina da works ko na kay Zee. They fixed the power steering, strut bearing, refilled the shocks.

For those with the egr problem. The best solution now is to go for the PEtron carbon clean. They put the chemical on the fuel system and the intake manifold. So dali lahat ng "gunk".

Currently Driving the Mercedes Vitto in Singapore. Since this is a commercial goods Van this is diesel. Walang usok ito. I am studying how the mercedez guys did it. I will keep you guys posted on my discovery. I see canisters and stuff in the engine bay.

tnx

rodski

I think they use particulate trap, charcoal filters, and (on the newer ones) urea injection.

Maybe they have better quality diesel.

[mikey177]

I got my Sedona back from Kia Quezon Ave (FEMAC Marketing) yesterday. The work I had done were as follows:

• Perform 150,000-km PMS
• Replace timing belt (I have it changed every 70 to 80,000 km)
• Replace gear oil (think this is first time the gear oil was replaced --EVER)
• Check problem with power steering

My total bill came to P18,300, which surprised me because Wheels E Rod quoted me a price of P20,300 just for the timing belt replacement while Kia Dagupan cited a figure of around P23,000. FEMAC only replaced the parts that were really worn out --just one tensioner instead of the three that the other casas said needed to be replaced.

They said that the power steering problem was due to a worn out steering shaft, which they replaced. The part cost P3,572, and a picture of the old unit appears below:



Naayos naman yung PS problem at nakauwi ako ng maayos sa Urdaneta. I loaded up a full tank before I left QC and I reloaded again after coming from Dagupan. I was pleased that I got a mileage figure of 12 km/liter. Sarap talaga ng highway driving.

My complaint with FEMAC is that the engine bay was messy after they had finished with it. They don't offer free engine was like Wheels, so all the dirt I saw before I having the van serviced was still there. More importantly, one of the rubber stoppers near the fender fell off, the cap for the freon was off (I had them estimate aircon repairs for my next visit), and the screw to my air intake manifold was almost completely unscrewed.

To top it off, while I was driving I noticed that my steering wheel wasn't aligned to the center anymore, but the "center" was now about 10 degrees to the left, like the steering wheel of some jeepneys or taxis

The problem was, I discovered these things after I had left the casa already and I had a gazillion errands to do while I was in QC, so I didn't have time to go back anymore to have it fixed. Hay buhay!

[DacoTyan]

Thanks mikey177.

[benchph1]

i hear an audible metallic noise coming from the side of the alternator when my engine is running. do you guys think this is the oil chain?

rodski,

what branch of petron did you had this "carbon clean" service done?
when i had my oil changed on petron sumulong hiway just last month.,they have totally no idea what i was talking about.

[hinlog]

i hear an audible metallic noise coming from the side of the alternator when my engine is running. do you guys think this is the oil chain?

rodski,

what branch of petron did you had this "carbon clean" service done?
when i had my oil changed on petron sumulong hiway just last month.,they have totally no idea what i was talking about.

Hi Benchp1,

I had mine (Carbon Clean) at Petron C5, it was a promo which ended on Aug 18 (if my memory serves me right) so I did not pay anything. I believe only 20++ MMla Petron stations offer that kind of service. Unfortunately, I just don't know if they already offer this service to public after the promo.

[rodski]

Bench 1,

The carbon clean was done at petron macapagal. I didn't know that it was a promo thing so i guess it would be over by now. You can still ask petron where or when they will release in the market.

tnx

rodski

PS. I miss my carnival!!!!! ibalik niyo ko sa pinas!!!

[altec]

rodski, daming pinoy diyan sa singapore. Am sure you can find a group to hang out with. My wife's sister nga is also there kasi na assign yung husband diyan. Plus a few of my classmates.

Guys, napansin ko sa less than 35 psi (which is the max tire pressure allowed by a 215 r15 tire), underinflated siya. I noticed that both inner and outer tire wear was slightly greater than the middle tire wear. Not very noticeable unless you use the tire wear warning marker as basis, medyo pudpod na kasi ang gulong ko, may groove pa naman, pero malapit na malapit na dumikit sa warning marker. Thus, I believe that regardless of load, we have no choice but to put 35psi cold tire pressure. The tires I mentioned are both in the front, which was rotated, it was originally in the rear for maybe 25K, and now another 10K in the front.

[mikey177]

Guys, napansin ko sa less than 35 psi (which is the max tire pressure allowed by a 215 r15 tire), underinflated siya...

Yup, I noticed this too. I keep my tires at 34 psi and my wife often asks me if they lack air.

[DacoTyan]

I keep mine at 32 PSI, front and rear and wear seems even.