The Kia Sedona/Carnival Thread [ARCHIVE]

[rockinrobin]

to sir bisoy,
hope that you could discover and solve your brake problems asap, moreso that your family is riding in it.
have my 2nd hand carnival for two weeks now, wala namang problems encountered so far. space, power and fuel consumption is very adequate. so does the airconditioning which is very cool compared to our previous ride, the kids really loved the car and have it named already. just waiting to reach 40k for the pms. gud day to you folks!

Hi jabr,

May I ask how much you got your Carnival?

Thanks.

[diesoline]

rhino: good day, doc rhino! i saw a 2004 carnival crdi (just like mine) listed in the buynsell issue two weeks ago. 700k php with 24000 km on the odo. there's a buzz that the crdi sedona will be out in the local market within the year -- i just don't know if whether it will be the all-new grand carnival body or the sedona body.

bisoy: have you had your brakes checked up yet? pa-check mo din ung brake rotor discs. baka uneven na ang wear.

[slyfox]

funny ngayon ko lang naisip magpost about our family's carnival park. it's a 2002 model and so far andami nang mga naging problems. first the timing chain broke at 35Tkms (*%*#!) then the aircon louvres gave way plus problems with the injector hoses which all had to be replaced. the guy at wheels says that the kia park is really very problematic which is why they upgraded to the sedona. is there any truth to this? sorry sa dami nang posts ang hirap kasi mag-search ng similar probs. TIA.

[bisoy]

diesoline, i had the brakes checked 5k kms ago. my ride is due for another PMS anytime now. i know i replaced my front pads and had my read adjusted para sa parking brakes. not sure about the rotor but i had a ride once na may tama na yung rotor and iba naman yung feel doon. the pedal feels like it is kicking your foot back. parang kumokontra sya at parang nag vibrate ang pedal. sa carnival ko, iba ang feel coz everything doesnt shake except the body. the pedal and the steering wheel doesnt vibrate at all. yung car ang nagvi-vibrate. weird nga eh. sa tagal ko nang nagdri-drive sa ibat ibang klaseng lumang sasakyan, this is the first time i have encountered this.

may theory ako and i think may punto naman. i read somewhere in this thread that the carnival is very front heavy. kahit sa pag drive ko, alam ko medyo biased sa front ang weight. so my theory is..... on a steep downhill and at speeds above 70kph, hindi kaya ng brakes natin sa harap and momentum ng oto natin. so in effect, the brake pads slips and holds and slips and holds..... parang nag engage ang abs sa front kung baga.

theory ko din on how to cure this problem is dapat mas kapit dapat ang rear brakes natin. if it is possible to set it, dapat i-advance sya ng ilang milliseconds para mas kakapit sya una than what it is doing now. it's like riding a bicycle downhill and medyo nauna ang brakes mo sa harap ng konte. locking your brakes on a downhill will only spell trouble. so dapat dahan dahan ang pag brake sa bike mo. so in a way, parang yopu engage the abs of your bike. tama ba ang theory ko mga peeps? does it make sense?

sana hindi bobo mga mekaniko sa casa dito. i should be bringing her to he casa next week. for her routinary pms.

[altec]

the local series are called carnival for the gen 1 and sedona for the gen 2. Gen 1 looks like the carnival park 1 and the gen 2 looks like the carnival park 2 for the gray imported versions. There is also a Land series which I believe to be equivalent to the local LS and RS units, with the differences from accessories and ABS only. There is no such thing as a local crdi unit, all crdi units are imported surplus. Imported units, however, have so many different accessories than the local units, and may differ a lot, as can be seen from pictures courtesy of diesoline sooo many pages back.

[rockinrobin]

Thank you for the inputs guys.

Mikey777 - thanks for the site.

Meron pa rin ako additional inquiries about the Carnival/Sedona... sorry ah. Just want to know more about the vehicle and brand kasi before I get one.

Question ko naman about the automatic transmission. Wala naman problem ang Kia sa AT?

When did Kia introduce the Kia Sedona? What are the major difference between the 2 (engine, exterior and interior etc...)?

Thanks again in advance!

[jabr]

rockinrobin:
i got mine for 380k. it is a carnival ls (ls is the top of the line for this unit as compared to the rs) 2001 model. mileage was only 36K+. One advice i could give to you when buying a pre-owned sedona/carnival unit is to look at the mileage, because there are certain parts that needs to be changed upon reaching 80k (such as the oil pump chain and timing belt) which could mean an additional 30k if it still not changed. i've read all the inputs in this thread which really helped me before i've decided to buy one for my family. no regrets in getting a kia so far, the ride was great! good luck to your car hunting!

[bisoy]

anyone has any theories on my brake problems?

ill be having my carnival serviced next week for its 60k kms pms. any special pms i should not miss? any advises from the experts? thanks

[Radical!]

Any news on the "2007" Kia Sedona (the alleged 170bhp CRDi )? I heard from the grapevine that a Kia Motors Phils executive went on a trip to Seoul last April to 'finalize' initial acquisition of the new Sedona for the Philippines...any of you heard from your 'suki' dealers/Sales reps about this?

[hinlog]

hi there,

My 2001 carnival AT LS is due for change oil, and I would like to have it done o/s casa. The previous owner brought the unit to Signet Edsa always, however, I wonder what could be the recommended oil brand and what are the items (specific to Kia Car)that I need to buy beforehand? I live in Laguna, so any recommended non-casa shop within the area which can properly maintain my Kia Car will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

[mikey177]

bisoy::: You may have a point regarding the braking behavior of the Carnival. I regret though that I can't relate or test your hypothesis since I have the RS version that has a manual tranny and no ABS.

Anyway, you might want to try Otep's suggestion of going to Kia Quezon Ave instead of Wheels E. Rod since the former focuses solely on Kia vehicles while the latter is a multi-brand dealership.

Also, since you're already up to 60,000-km, you might want to prepare for the timing belt replacement that the casa (Wheels) suggests getting done at 70,000-km.

rockinrobin::: Are you asking about the differences between the Gen 1 Carnival and the Sedona?

The Sedona was introduced late 2001 or early 2002. I don't know what changes they made to the engine. My old service advisor told me that the oil pump chain of the 2002 Sedona has already been improved because the previous ones in the Gen 1 Carnival were prone to breaking. As for features, all I know is that the sliding doors of the Gen 1 Carnival don't lock in place when they're open while those of the Sedona do.

hinlog::: I live in Pangasinan and I usually have my PMS done at our local Shell station because it has very good mechanics. Other places where you might get good service are Servitek and reputable local mechanics.

Just check your manual for the engine oil specifications and make sure that what you get meets or exceeds these specs. I use Shell Rimula-X since I have the oil changed every 5,000-km. I've been using it for over 1-1/2 years and th oil performs well for my usual highway driving routine.

Other items to buy beforehand are the air filter and engine oil filter, as well as the fuel filter if you are so inclined to have it changed every PMS (depends on how clean your diesel fuel source is). Also, while the van is up on the lifter you might as well check for any leaks under the engine bay and at the four wheels (shocks, brakes, boots, etc.). I also use this opportunity to remove small stones that get lodged between my tire treads

[IJD180]

Bisoy,
My previous carnival had that shaking problem whenever I do emergency braking, pero pag normal braking ok naman. I had thefront pads changed and the front brake discs refaced. and the shaking problem went away.

[bisoy]

mikey177, i am not based in manila. sa cagayan de oro ako pare but ill try to ask for second opinions first.

IJD180, i had my front pads changed in my last PMS. you mean you had your rotor resurfaced? ano pala nangyari? nag warp na sya?

[altec]

bisoy, i don't know if your model comes with abs. But abs hard braking shouldn't feel like that. When you hard brake with an abs system, you would feel it with the brake pedal, not with the whole body. Patingin mo na lang sa shop.

Additional info: actually, there was already a discussion here on the differences between the local carnival and the local sedona. Engine: Its basically the same engine, but with some parts modification. Aside from the oil pump chain mentioned by mikey, the fuel priming pump and the fuel filter is bigger. But be careful, when I had my priming pump changed, they installed the old, smaller design, and in the casa's computer, they are priced the same, but the filters are not interchangeable.

Headlights: Carnival uses 2 h4 bulbs, sedona uses 4 h7 bulbs.
Dashboard: Carnival's dashboard is similar to the ae92 90 corolla, where it slopes downwards towards the passenger side, while the sedona is more balanced with a top dashboard box aside from double passenger side dashboard compartments. Instrumentation is also different. Aircon switches for local and imported carnivals and sedonas are different. Carnival odometer is mechanical, sedona is digital.

Sliding door: Both uses dual sliding doors, but the sedona series are improved with a door open lock that prevents the door from sliding shut especially if the car is on a downhill slope. with the sedona, you need to press either the inside or outer door handle to unlock and slide the door closed, a very useful feature to avoid accidents from sudden door sliding closed.

[ericmm]

Hello Everyone,
It's been a while since I have visited this forum. Anyway, I am here to ask if anyone here have experienced having difficulty in shifting from Park to Reverse or vice versa. It seems when I shift to Park and vice versa, the shift knob is a little hard. Anything that I should be worried about this or is this normal? I haven't experienced this before and I have a Carnival 2002.

Bisoy,
How much did it cost you to replace the front brakes?
TIA guys.

[bisoy]

i think i spent around 3.5k for the front brakes. it should be cheaper if you can buy parts outside. here in cdo, walang shops nagbebenta ng mga kia carnival/sedona parts. kahit air filter!

[mikey177]

Very true.

I got my brake pads for P2,500 at Fronte earlier this month. Does anyone know how much they cost at Karmelcon?

[mikey177]

SOS.

My van's power steering fluid level went from Max to Min in about a week. Any idea where the leak is coming from?

[hinlog]

Very true.

I got my brake pads for P2,500 at Fronte earlier this month. Does anyone know how much they cost at Karmelcon?

Hi Mikey,

I inquired in Karmelcon recently, original front brake pads cost 2400, replacement is 900.

Hi Peeps,

Just want to know, if others tried and will recommend to use Bendix brake pads in their Kia Car? How much does it cost as well? Thanks in advance.

[mikey177]

hinlog,

Thanks for the price update from Karmelcon.

Check out these old threads about Bendix brake pads. Maybe you'll find some useful info in them:

Carnival brake pad issues

Okay ba Bendix brakes?