The Kia Sedona/Carnival Thread [ARCHIVE]

[patbayns]

benchph1,
Actually yung pattern ng Le Mans crush ko rin yun para sa CRV ko kaya lang, ang tagaaal napudpud yung Goodyear Fortera Ko kaya di ko nahintay magpalit hanggang nabenta last Nov. Im just not satisfied with my Dunlop Eco 201 matigas talaga.

patbayns,
I know how it feels to be excited and anxious to see ur RS. RS dapat yung binili 2003. Kaya lang medyo mataas yung hiningi nung reseller. In spite of that pumayag ako 640K kaya lang nung kukunin ko na, humirit pa ng 20K, that blew the whole thing up!

Allow me to put my 64cent worth of advices. Look at the mileage, ask for service record if any, look at the inerior esp upholstery: chairs, dash and ceiling...mahirap i restore ito. Check for any foul human, humid smell, its a sign of bad airconditioing. Check for anything loose like removed screws, missing screws etc. a sign of repairs and tampering or upgrades maybe. On the engine side, check for leaks, worn out hoses signs of engine rebuild like traces of oil and silicone sealant. Power steering ma check mo sa boots sa rack end and point where steering shaft meet r/p. Check for lights also (minor ito). Dents basta walang paint damage ok yan, kaya ng mga denters tanggalin yan. Lastly, start the engine, allow it to idle in at leat 10 to 15 mins, under the sun mas madali hanapin usok, start aircon, under the sun din, check kung kaya itong lumamig ng husto. Short test drive check for allignment kabig etc. Tama na siguro yun baka mainis yung owner (ha ha ha). Do i sound like a Diesel convert now? By the way, you have every right to check your investment wag kang mahiya. Pag nagustohan mo na car, ask for your price and grab it! (of course after comparing many). By the way, ang inggit ko lang dun sa 2003, nak gas lift yung front hood.

nano.

slamat nanotech

btw, paano ko malaman kung converted RHD-LHD ang sasakyan? yoko kasi ng subic at converted na sasakyan.

[nanotech]

patbayns,
Kung Korean car ang titingnan mo, u shud not wori. Korea has left hand drive. The only chance for a Korean model to b rhd is it comes from NZ, Austarlia, HK, Sing or England. Its unlikely for these sources to have their cars arrive here.

If in case it does, these are the things to watch for:

The dashboard unless totally replaced will have some odd looking joint after cutting it (instrument panel) from rhd to lhd. In most cases, they use a lot of putty and body filler used where the "leather"pattern on the dash material will be erased and smooth in the joint. The dash is most likely painted also (makintab). Under the das, you will probably see some unfinished conversion works like hanging wires and unterminated aircon ducts. Look at the set of pedals too, merong conversion dyan like welding, cutting and bending works. On the steering controls, the signal light lever will stil be on the right side and wipers on the left. On the stick shift, the hold or o/d off button is on the right side too. Sa doors you will see that the central lock and windows control is on the right side or badly reinstalled on the left side with alterred plastic base. The seats with lumbar support and seat adjustments will also reamin on the right side.

On the engine compartment side, you will see some hole in the firewall insulation where the steering column used to be. You will also see some wires and cables cut and extended and some linkages improvised to finish the conversion. Look for the brake booster also it will also show signs that it must hav come from the right side. The wiper will also be converted, so kung metal plate ang cover ng wiper arm base, malamang repainted ito. Kung plastic naman, meron extra hole.

All these or at least some remaining un-converted will make a rhd car driveable in the Philippines but for a dealer to convert all with replaceemnt parts will cost the a fortune so they would not do all.

Nanotech

[patbayns]

just came from my initial inspection of the sedona this morning, it seems na orig LHD siya. may mga observation ako at nilista ko. interior: ung left front door window is not seating well, sabi ng care taker ganon daw talaga ang sakit ng sedona, sa isip ko... really? the power lock is not responding well. left front power window button needs extra pressure before windows will respond. wiper arm may paint na na chip off kita na ung bare metal. shift stick cover torn. sa engine naman may leaks, sabi nung bantay sa power steering daw yon, sabi ko ung ilalim basa ng langis, sabi niya baka daw nabuhusan during oil change. another thing walang service history, hindi raw dinadala sa casa, so anong ginawa niya sa warranty, 2002 model siya, ang last price niya 530K from 548K, sabi nung nagbebenta around 10K lang daw magagastos ko kung papa repair ko ung mga defects. hmmm...

[nanotech]

just came from my initial inspection of the sedona this morning, it seems na orig LHD siya. may mga observation ako at nilista ko. interior: ung left front door window is not seating well, sabi ng care taker ganon daw talaga ang sakit ng sedona, sa isip ko... really? the power lock is not responding well. left front power window button needs extra pressure before windows will respond. wiper arm may paint na na chip off kita na ung bare metal. shift stick cover torn. sa engine naman may leaks, sabi nung bantay sa power steering daw yon, sabi ko ung ilalim basa ng langis, sabi niya baka daw nabuhusan during oil change. another thing walang service history, hindi raw dinadala sa casa, so anong ginawa niya sa warranty, 2002 model siya, ang last price niya 530K from 548K, sabi nung nagbebenta around 10K lang daw magagastos ko kung papa repair ko ung mga defects. hmmm...

Window not seating well is a sign of frequent use (so with unresponsive buttons etc.). What is the mileage of the car? It happenned to my CRV also after 4 years (driver side, 5 years passenger side naman). Ask around how much the Banawe boys will charge to restore it. Else it can be a cause of an expensive restoration.

Yung oil wetness sa engine might just come frome the p/s and engine also please observe carefully or is it a bad case of poor maintenance. By the looks of it, 530K medyo mataas. Baka pwede mong tawaran ng 500 to 525. Para may headroom ka for repairs.

I got mine for 540K, naka 17inch Falken with rear sensor. Tried everything in my checklist at 40Km. wala akong kaba then naputolan ako ng timing belt. But it was a case of incompetent intervention of the mechanic of the previous owner in fairness to KIA. It was not also within my right to go as far as checking the timing belt during a buyers inspection so yun, umabot doon ang damage.

Masarap din naman mag restore unti unti. You will get a chance to journey with ur car. Your success will be sweeter each time you restore a bit of the car. Sabi ko sayo nung natanggalan ng 35 dents yung car ko, it looked like a new car already.

Good luck and pray also that He will give you the best deal.

[patbayns]

ung odo is at 30745km, another thing, am hearing some rough sound when i roll up the driver side windows. i tried to talk him down to 450K, ehehehe, kala ko magko collapse eh, d na daw kaya. lugi na daw.

does any tsikoteer here knows a good place to buy second hand mini vans?

[nanotech]

ung odo is at 30745km, another thing, am hearing some rough sound when i roll up the driver side windows. i tried to talk him down to 450K, ehehehe, kala ko magko collapse eh, d na daw kaya. lugi na daw.

does any tsikoteer here knows a good place to buy second hand mini vans?

patbayns,
Leave your number and offer to him (kahit 500K cguro) and move on to the next Sedona in ur search. What im worried abt is 30K odo and the interior condition seems not consistent. Di ko ma imagine paano ma worn out yung gearshift cover . Baka naman he is wearing metal gloves everytime he drives . Yung sira naman na window mechanism might be a sign of frequent trips na short trips na madalas pumasok sa may security guard na No ID no Entry . Short trips are not good for our engines.

Marami dyan, yung 620K na nakita ko dati, parang bago as in yung Manebela magaspang pa yung upholstery leather pattern. at yung engine, completo pa sa stickers ng quality check.

Nano.

[patbayns]

available pa kayo ung nakita mo?

[nanotech]

Try mo, last month nandun pa. Its in that car dealer in the corner of Ortigas and Meralco Ave. before Metrowalk (coming from Dep Ed). Actually mahal yun. Pero kung makita mo, wow tulo laway talaga. May tiny dimple lang sya sa front right bumper but the rest, may DVD by audiovox and TV Monitor pa. Sedona RS 2003. I fell in love with that car, kaya lang nung nag trade-in ako ng CRV, biglang humingi pa ng 20K nung nalaman nya na Butuan City yung CR ng car ko. I offerred to do the LTO transfer myself and give in to 5K addtional pero medyo humirit pa. But if its still there at 630K or even less, go for it! You can also try the car dealer in Edsa after SM City Annex going towards Balintawak where i got my Sedona, maganda din ang mga deals doon.

Nano

[nanotech]

Hey Guys,
I have more observations on my Sedona please contribute info...

On our airconditioning unit (AC). The manual encourages us to use outside vent most of the time to have maximum "fresh air intake". Here in Manila, aside from the very warm air outside, the air is also filthy right? So for AC efficiency and less particle pollution, we do recirculate our air most of the time.

I had a chance to get as much air from outside when i was in Baguio. Of course, i had to make sure i was not tailing a smokey truck, fx or jeep.

I observed that switching to outside air intake makes my AC vents blow very little air. Why is this? Is there another filter for outside air?

Should i look for a malfunctioning flap or vent duct that would restrict fresh air from coming in?

On microfilters: Several threads/posts back, people were discussing microfilters. I found the slot under the dash on the back of the glove compartment.

Question: Can i buy off the shelf a microfilter and pop it in to my Aircon unit? I own a 2002 Sedona LS.

Tnx,

Nano

[OTEP]

Hey Guys,
I have more observations on my Sedona please contribute info...

On our airconditioning unit (AC). The manual encourages us to use outside vent most of the time to have maximum "fresh air intake". Here in Manila, aside from the very warm air outside, the air is also filthy right? So for AC efficiency and less particle pollution, we do recirculate our air most of the time.

I observed that switching to outside air intake makes my AC vents blow very little air. Why is this? Is there another filter for outside air?

On microfilters: Several threads/posts back, people were discussing microfilters. I found the slot under the dash on the back of the glove compartment.

Question: Can i buy off the shelf a microfilter and pop it in to my Aircon unit? I own a 2002 Sedona LS.

Any owner's manual will tell you to keep the fresh air intake open. That is just to avoid any liability issues. Just keep it in recirculate to keep your interior and your lungs clean.

Yes, it is normal for flow to weaken when in fresh air mode because the air space increases.

Yes, you can jury rig a cabin filter. But exact fit parts are available at the dealer, too.

[nanotech]

Otep,
Thanks for the quick reply. I'll try to call Fronte tomorrow for the microfilter.

Nano

[patbayns]

Try mo, last month nandun pa. Its in that car dealer in the corner of Ortigas and Meralco Ave. before Metrowalk (coming from Dep Ed). Actually mahal yun. Pero kung makita mo, wow tulo laway talaga. May tiny dimple lang sya sa front right bumper but the rest, may DVD by audiovox and TV Monitor pa. Sedona RS 2003. I fell in love with that car, kaya lang nung nag trade-in ako ng CRV, biglang humingi pa ng 20K nung nalaman nya na Butuan City yung CR ng car ko. I offerred to do the LTO transfer myself and give in to 5K addtional pero medyo humirit pa. But if its still there at 630K or even less, go for it! You can also try the car dealer in Edsa after SM City Annex going towards Balintawak where i got my Sedona, maganda din ang mga deals doon.

Nano

nagka chance ka bang ma test drive ung car?

[bongh]

Hello to everyone,
Just go my ride last jan27,06. 2nd hand local version of Carnival LS Dsl 2002.
I was not able to fully test the unit when i inspected it last 15jan06, my friend refered me to a distant relative who was selling the Carnival so i was pretty much confident on the state of the unit. Mileage is 49+Tkm when i got it.
After we exchanged bank check and unit at BPI ortigas i was so excited that i did not notice the lack of power (kulang sa arangkada) when i drove it back to the office in Eastwood. This was my 1st time to really own a car and drive. My excitement just made me disregard the lack of power. The friend who refered me, had plans to go to batangas the next day. And i went to there house in Montery hills San Mateo. The road was steep and this time i release took notice of the lack of power even in gear 2. My friend inspected the unit and found out that the hose coming from the turbo was disconnected. After reconnecting the hose POWER was back. Yes.
The previous owner must have forgoten to attach the hose proper when they remove the turbo to stencil the engine no.
The ride to batangas was great, engine was in very good condition, suspension was also very good. WOW the interior size of the Carnival was awsome. My friends only had praises.
So the trip (test drive) was a success. Estimated mileage around 8k/liter.

[generic_boy]

Bongh, welcome and glad to hear positive feedback on your unit... buti at nakita mo ung disconnected hose. I hope it's not the EGR valve, kasi parang injecting air directly to combustion chamber and bypassig the air filter.

Noticed that you work in EASTWOOD, i hope its in Quezon City or near Citybank. Kasi dito rin ako work. If you have time maybe we can meet and exchane comments or ideas, specially on smoke belcher... been working some time on how to minimize it.

Cheers!

[salonika]

Regarding tires I am using Yokohama (forgot the model) and its OK. I also used Fortera before but I found the ride uncomfortable. To those with Hankook tires (stock) palitan nyo kaagad. Two of my stock Hankook tires exploded, once in NLEX nung di pa na-rehab and once in SLEX. Di pa naman sila kalbo nun. Sa dinami-daming lugar na masabugan expressway pa, hirap magpalit dun.

My carnival will be getting a respite soon. Magiging service car na siya ni misis since I just got a Dmax LS (labs ko talaga ang diesel). Kaso baka transmission ang bumigay since AT ang ginagamit ng wife ko, MT yung carnival. Anyway, at nearly 130K mileage in 4 years the Carnival's performance exceeded my expectations.

[bongh]

Genericboy - yes our office is in techno plaza one bldg. What's d EGR valve http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/newreply.php#
twak2

Maintainance done on the unit.
Wheel Aligned (front)
Underchassis wash - Need to do new undercoat the original coating already thin. Done at shell station.
Engine wash - done at shell station. After the engine wash the Oil warning light does not light-up after key turned to ON. Before washing this was working properly.

My Parking Brakes does not work. Put the get in neutral on a inclined road, engaged the parking brakes and it did not prevent the car from moving.
Can somebody help me on this?

Also am going to change the tires so what do you recommend aside from
Dunlop Le Mans
Yokohama

Undercoating paint - what do you recommend? 3M or Zeebart

How much does Wheels E.Rod charge for a full maintenance inspection only.
Kia Casa?

My Carnivals mileage is 49.8t km, do you recommend i change the following:
Oil pump chain
air filter
fuel filter (recently replaced, 6-8mo ago)
Timing chain
A/T oil & filter

Sometimes i experience no sound coming out of my Carnivals Horn (busina).
This happens when i use it a few times when the engine is not running and after a while no sound. But after a few minutes the engine is running, i can get sound again. Is it a sign of my batteries are not good and needs replacement?

[OTEP]

The parking brake is adjustable. Any shadetree mechanic can do that for you. Cable operated siya parang sa bike.

The horn relay may be faulty.

[bongh]

OTEP, thanks for the comment.

[mikey177]

bongh:::

+1 to what Otep said. What I've noticed with my Sedona is that after about a year, the parking brake doesn't maintain a good grip anymore, so I have it adjusted yearly (my unit is almost 4 years old with 122,000-km mileage).

Regarding the tires: none of the shops in our place carried Dunlop Le Mans anymore so I chose the Dunlop EC201 model instead. The performance of the tire is okay; I've been using them for about a month now and they provide good road traction, especially on highways.

You can probably ask for a quotation from Wheels E. Rod before you have your unit inspected. Mabait naman mga service advisor doon, pero toxic din sila kung minsan kaya kailangan nakatutok ka with regard to promised delivery time of the unit after servicing.

I replace my air filter every 5,000-km because it gets very dusty here in the province.

The Sedona manual recommends that the fuel filter be replaced every 40,000-km, but other forumites replace it more frequently, since it is a relatively inexpensive way to ensure that you're getting clean fuel to your engine.

Nagpalit ako ng timing belt at 80,000-km, though the casa recommended doing the procedure at 70,000-km. Hindi pa ako nagpalit ng oil pump chain; baka next week kung makapunta ako ng QC.

P.S.

Welcome to the forum

[bongh]

Mike177, thanks for d advise.
Called Wheels E.Rod, labor cost for Full Maintenance check is 1,500php.

Generic boy, san ka sa eastwood? i usually park at the back of European motors.