The Kia Sedona/Carnival Thread [ARCHIVE]

[rodski]

Nanotech,

The oil pump problem can be heard sa right side of the engine. This is a batch problem so I was lucky na walang problem ang oil pump ko. As for the alternator, I had this problem (check the earlier pages on this thread). Tunaw yung bolt that connects the main wire. I did not change the alternator but had it repaired sa electrical shop sa Las pinas. They changed the bolt with a better material (surplus parts from their stock). The problem never occured again. Just make sure pag engine wash to cover the alternator.

[ericmm]

ericmm,

The engine number is deep in the bowels of the engine bay, and it is hard to reach if you don't know where to look.

If you have the time, you'll need to take out the air intake manifold, and then, using a mirror and a flashlight, you should be able to see the engine number malapit sa ilalim ng engine block. Otherwise, you can just have the stenciling done at a Kia casa, although they charge a fee for it.

mikey177,

Thanks. I might as well bring it to casa instead or a trusted mechanic.

[mikey177]

nanotech::: Welcome to the forum

patbayns::: The Carnival is known as the Sedona in the USA and some other markets, but the two are one and the same vehicle. When the Carnival first came out in the Philippines around 2000 (?), it was known as the Sedona. Local models released from 2002 onwards have the Sedona badge, but if you get the same model from the gray market, it might come with a Carnival badge.

[nanotech]

Nanotech,

The oil pump problem can be heard sa right side of the engine. This is a batch problem so I was lucky na walang problem ang oil pump ko. As for the alternator, I had this problem (check the earlier pages on this thread). Tunaw yung bolt that connects the main wire. I did not change the alternator but had it repaired sa electrical shop sa Las pinas. They changed the bolt with a better material (surplus parts from their stock). The problem never occured again. Just make sure pag engine wash to cover the alternator.

Thanks for the reply. Did u say right side of the engine with me facing the pulleys? Please clarify. If so that would be the front part near the injection pump?

Re: Batch probelem, may i know what model of Carnival/Sedon you have? Sori dami ko tanong kabado kasi...

Yun bang water reservoir/return tank for coolant wala talagang hose pababa to overflow? Mine dont have just that nipple on that cap.

[benchph1]

welcome nanotech!

have your power steering system checked too. (pump, hoses, rack & pinion) almost all of us experienced leak problems.

[patbayns]

in the class ng sedona, sino ang closest competition nito? is it better than the sedona? in what ways? shalom!

[nanotech]

welcome nanotech!

have your power steering system checked too. (pump, hoses, rack & pinion) almost all of us experienced leak problems.

benchp1,

Thanks. I hav checked that, had all the time to explore when my Sedona was down in Bicol. Okay naman PS ko.

Im really wondering why the gas Sedona uses Dexron III ATF and Diesels use Dexron II. In some technical articles the difference is oversimplified, they just say Dexron III superceeds Dexron II. I used to do maintenance work for Heavy Equipment and we do use Dexron II in lieu of Dex3 but have to cut interval by about 1/3. So if the ATF Change is 30K we have to cut it to 20K, something like that. My experience is that from full stop on a steep incline, hirap umakyat ang Sedona ko o nasanay lang ako sa Gas?

Tnx again...

[rodski]

Hello Nanotech,

Just listen to the sound on the right wheel. You will hear a grinding noise if the chain and sprocket are damaged. Check the ider bearings on the fan belt this could be mistaken as an oil pump noise.

As for the alternator, Batch problem kasi meron tinamaan meron wala. So inspect and repair pag may tama ang main harness to the alternator.

Coolant reservoir has no hose pababa. Its just the nipple.

The sedona is pitted against the starex, chrysler town & country, nissan quest, etc.

tnx

rodski

[diesoline]

welcome to the thread, patbayns and nanotech.

you forgot to include the previa, rodski. the previa was my original choice for a minivan, btw.

nanotech: i use dexron IIe but i make it a point to drain and put in new atf every other oil change. i too find it hard to launch the carnival from a full stop on a steep gradient. i attribute it to the heavy gvw of the carnival. since i started making atf changes frequently, this has become less of a problem.

[nanotech]

welcome to the thread, patbayns and nanotech.

you forgot to include the previa, rodski. the previa was my original choice for a minivan, btw.

nanotech: i use dexron IIe but i make it a point to drain and put in new atf every other oil change. i too find it hard to launch the carnival from a full stop on a steep gradient. i attribute it to the heavy gvw of the carnival. since i started making atf changes frequently, this has become less of a problem.

Thanks, btw superb scenic pic u got there! i was in Baguio last Jan 14 to 17. Thats where i realized the flat in the powerband. I guess they should have increased the ratio on the first gear para pang high torque climbing. I observe this is a tranny design problem to think our trans is made by Aisin (same company who makes Nissan Tranny's). Re your atf change every after oil changes? that would make every 10K tama? Medyo magastos but good for the car. Btw, do our a/trans have filter? if so please let me know the part number if u have it or at least price estimate. In some american cars ito ang isang problema din pag nagloko ang performance sa a/t.

[patbayns]

The sedona is pitted against ....chrysler town & country, nissan quest, etc.

tnx

rodski

ung chrysler town & country and nissan quest available ba locally?

[rodski]

Yung town and country available sa pinas. Yung nissan quest sa states (sorry for that mistake). Na drive ko kasi yung mercury villager (nissan quest) pag nasa states ako.

Dito sa atin - Starex, nissan serena, toyota previa, mitsu space gear

tnx

rodski

[diesoline]

this ilocano buys valvoline dexron IIe atf at 90 per liter. i use up 4 liters of the stuff everytime i change atf. i think the extra 360 pesos is well worth it. while you are at it, replace the air filter too for added ooomph. another 350 pesos down the drain. but at least, you will be smirking for the next 5k km. my last four oil changes were done at the 3.5k km interval. ewan ko ba... the combination of owning a gray market unit and having a friend who distributes lubricants makes you act that way. hehehe!

i have asked about the a/trans filter too. they don't replace it in the casa. replacing it entails bringing down the transmission daw. but i really haven't pursued the issue yet. i will ask about that when i next go to cruven. filters don't last forever. it is always a better option to replace them early.

rodski, so nice to have your posts appear more often on the thread again! post naman na the oil catch design!

[nanotech]

Ok lang yung friend na lube dealer basta huge discounts!

The reason why im paranoid again is that in the past 3 days nag blink yung "HOLD" light indicator. Twice nawala after a few minutes but tonight, more than 20 mins. Switching the hold button does not affect it at all. Should this be a serious concern? Does it have to do with atf change necessary? or is this a case of those minor malfunctions that we have to live with.

Second, i need some guys who own a diesel carnival or sedona who can meet me sometime in the near future just to compare what a healthy sounding engine idle and running should be. Some articles i've read says that their diesel sedonas idle with slight purr of a cat. Are they referring to the crdi models or shoyld i be comfortable with my Lion's roar and snore of my engine...mahirap talaga yung nasanay sa gas...obobs talaga. I live in Quezon City area. Tnx.

[nanotech]

Hey Guys! refer to page 4-19 on the Owners Manual...
*NOTICE
"If the HOLD indicator flashes, it indicates an electrical problem in the transaxle. Should this occur, have the vehicle checked by an authorized KIA dealer as soon as possible." ngeeks!!! is this it? wow what could have gone wrong? But the car drove perfectly...ano ba naman yaaaan!

I had a matic Vitara, Matic Cefiro and Matic CRV all past 100K Km, never had problem with auto trans. Wow. Please enlighten meeeee!

Help me sleep well tonight, or are these what we call trials? Papunta pa naman ako weekend retreat with my wife....

[diesoline]

haven't encountered that HOLD flash indicator problem yet, nano. looks like you have to drop by the casa yet again.

i noticed that one of your previous rides was a cefiro. sobrang silent tumakbo engine nyan! the kia j3's diesel clatter would be tens of decibels louder in comparison.

btw, tnx for the kind comment re my signature pic.

[nanotech]

Well this morning, day 1 of our weekend (parang retreat) to and from Worldtrade hindi naman siya umilaw. I hope hindi na!

Allow me to discuss a topic earlier discussed in previous mails...Tires!

I have just changed to new Dunlop Eco 201 (about 2 months ago). Its cheap, durable (i can say from the wear after 4,000 K). but to my dismay, matalbog. I read earlier somebody said he is happy with his Dunlop Le Mans but my tire (a cheaper variant) is so matagtag kahit 30lbs na lang ang tire pressure (32 and recommended).

Speaking of tires, my cefiro had Le Mans and they were okay, Pero kung kaya lang sana ng budget, you should try Continental Eco-Contact. grabe ka smooth.

My brother in-law who used Chinese Toyo tires on his Venture experienced much improved traction ride and quietness when he switched to General. Unfortunately, the closest dimension they have for Carnival/Sedona is 225/70 x 15, medyo malaki para sa wheel well natin.

Anybody, please share naman kung anong tire talaga ang magbigay ng smooth na smooth na suave na ride for our minvan?

[benchph1]

so far almost every carnival/sedona owner that posts here uses dunlop le mans rv. if you'd ask me why i chose it, its because i like the thread design. hehehe. bought it 5 months ago * evangelista, makati for 2,450 per tire.

stay away from those korean tires namely those rolling stocks on the carnival, hankook eco-plus something not sure of the name. di siya suited sa weather ng pilipinas. ang kapal pa nung samin nag-oblong agad. and yung spare na hindi ko natingnan for months guess what lumobo/bumukol mag-isa.

diesoline,

madali lang ba magpalit ng atf? i mean sa labas hindi sa casa. OA naman ung casa na yun. imagine bringing down the whole transmission just for fluid change.

[patbayns]

mga sirs, bukas morning on my way to check a second hand 2002 sedona RS, un lang ang available info na naka ad, am not sure kung ano ang engine ng RS ang alam ko lang diesel, and tulad ni nanotech i have only driven gaso cars. in a short list ano po ba ang dapat kong alamin sa inspection, will view your suggestions tom before i leave, salamat

[nanotech]

benchph1,
Actually yung pattern ng Le Mans crush ko rin yun para sa CRV ko kaya lang, ang tagaaal napudpud yung Goodyear Fortera Ko kaya di ko nahintay magpalit hanggang nabenta last Nov. Im just not satisfied with my Dunlop Eco 201 matigas talaga.

patbayns,
I know how it feels to be excited and anxious to see ur RS. RS dapat yung binili 2003. Kaya lang medyo mataas yung hiningi nung reseller. In spite of that pumayag ako 640K kaya lang nung kukunin ko na, humirit pa ng 20K, that blew the whole thing up!

Allow me to put my 64cent worth of advices. Look at the mileage, ask for service record if any, look at the inerior esp upholstery: chairs, dash and ceiling...mahirap i restore ito. Check for any foul human, humid smell, its a sign of bad airconditioing. Check for anything loose like removed screws, missing screws etc. a sign of repairs and tampering or upgrades maybe. On the engine side, check for leaks, worn out hoses signs of engine rebuild like traces of oil and silicone sealant. Power steering ma check mo sa boots sa rack end and point where steering shaft meet r/p. Check for lights also (minor ito). Dents basta walang paint damage ok yan, kaya ng mga denters tanggalin yan. Lastly, start the engine, allow it to idle in at leat 10 to 15 mins, under the sun mas madali hanapin usok, start aircon, under the sun din, check kung kaya itong lumamig ng husto. Short test drive check for allignment kabig etc. Tama na siguro yun baka mainis yung owner (ha ha ha). Do i sound like a Diesel convert now? By the way, you have every right to check your investment wag kang mahiya. Pag nagustohan mo na car, ask for your price and grab it! (of course after comparing many). By the way, ang inggit ko lang dun sa 2003, nak gas lift yung front hood.

nano.