The Kia Sedona/Carnival Thread [ARCHIVE]

[e_chen]

Mga sir, saan po ba sa Banawe yung Fronte? It seems like a lot of you guys get spare parts from there, so I am planning to stock up on stuff like filters and belts when I visit QC in the future.

.... fronte is at Kabignayan street near cor. Banaue St. (Banaue st na in between q. ave. and e. rod) tel # 712-0919 / 712-0919

.... you can try also asking from "karmelcon" at 414-3989 look for ivan (just mention my name---edzel)...

[mikey177]

Thanks, edzel. Will look them up when I'm in QC.

[benchph1]

hmmm baka ganyan din problema ng carnival namin rodski. occasionally umaabot below 1/4 ang fuel gauge ko eh :D tapos kakapalit ko lang ng fuel filter. dapat bng i-pump before o after magpalit ng fuel filter? o di na kailangan. tanda ko ginawa lang ng mechanic nilagyan lang niya ng diesel yung filter para nga daw hindi na i-pump..

[altec]

guys, had my tank drained and cleaned. Ang daming black colored sandy stuff nakuha, both from the filter and the fuel tank. My mechanic then noticed that may bumubula na lumalabas from the priming pump. When they dismantled it, they found out gasgas na, kaya may lumalabas na fuel, and that means may leak at may hangin, that's why kulang ang pressure. It may be the cause of my fuel knock. I really hope so. Still doesn't explain though why the fuel knock went away when I loaded with shell without biodiesel and it came back when I reloaded from a non shell station and with biodiesel again. But I did notice when I pumped it, supposedly to bleed it of any excess air and water, that its supposed to harden o maging hirap ipump once it has been thoroughly bled, pero di nangyari. Doon palang may konting duda na ako, but since Kia didn't say anything, nor did some of my mechanics previously, di na rin ako nag comment tungkol doon. Bumili na lang ako ng bagong priming pump assembly (whole set including new fuel filter) because they do not sell just the priming pump, and I left it at my in house motorpool. Will get the car either end of the day or tomorrow. (fingers crossed)

Diesoline, I tried to fit the vic fuel filter of an L300, di siya kasya sa priming pump, iba ang fit. This is in preparation of the next time I will change my filter, Racor na ang ikakabit ko! Ano kaya ang spin on filter ng racor na kasya sa sedona?

[Trendy08]

i guess that's the reason why my mechanic at casa told me to replace the priming pump assy every 20,000km.

[diesoline]

i hope this is the final episode in the saga of altec's woes with his injection system. sana ok ka na after this, altec.

re the racor spin-on fuel filter, i just might have to junk my impression that the mitsu and kia fuel filters share the same tread in the priming pump. i will go check with fronte the next time i go there next week. or maybe, i will just call them tomorrow. just so you guys have an idea of what altec and i are discussing, here is a photo link to the racor spin-on fuel filter brochure:
Racor ParFit Plus Product Info

btw folks, my carnival's stabilizer links have been rattling since yesterday. i have been traversing the manila-baguio-vigan-laoag route frequently the past months and i had seen the road deteriorate much in the last two months due to the rains. i have this bad habit of not slowing down when encountering rough patches of road. i have not yet adjusted my driving style because i have had 4x4s for a long time. the carnival is my first low-slung car. kaya ayan, last time ball joints ang pinagawa ko kay toti sa zee's, ngayon naman stabilizer links. toti quoted P150 for the polymer injection; fronte quoted P430 for new parts. i still can't get over the fact that kia parts are priced so low as compared to nissan parts.

[DacoTyan]

toti quoted P150 for the polymer injection; fronte quoted P430 for new parts. i still can't get over the fact that kia parts are priced so low as compared to nissan parts.

And may it stay that way for a long, long, long time...

[rodski]

Hello Guys,

Ok na yung Carnival ko after pumping the fuel filter. At first puro hangin. It took me three times separated by a few kilometers of driving bago lumabas yung diesel after just one pump. OK na siya.

Also when we drained the tank, wala akong nakitang dumi. It was very clean. So low level fuel condition coupled by weight of the passengers which tilted the body causing some air to enter the fuel system. Next time I won't let it go below 1/4 para iwas air sa fuel system.

Another nice thing about our J3 engine is that the oil is water cooled. According to the mechanic of Signet, The oil is cooled in a special water jacket. This means no need to have an oil cooler for the engine. I was asking kasi if we could fabricate an oil cooler for my carnival. Sabi niya hindi na raw kailangan dahil sa engine design.

The only thing I hate about our J3 engine is the headers going to the turbo. I feel we can still improve this by changing the headers to a more effificent design. The original headers is like an Austin morris header that crams all 4 exhaust ports to one main outlet before the turbo. I saw a beautiful Australian header design for the nissan patrol that gently ports each exhaust port to one big outlet. Walang bangaan ng exhaust gasses. Is there somebody here in the Philippines that can fabricate this header?

tnx

Rodski

[rodski]

Hello Guys,

The design I have for the oil mist separator is puro sketches pa lang. Basically the it uses two stages. The first stage uses a cyclone type of separator. The pcv pipe enters this cylindrical device tangentially. This will create a spinning cycle on the walls of the cylinder. Oil which is heavier will stick to the wall and drip down to the bottom of the chamber. The bottom of the cylinder narrows like an icecream cone. The swirling air will then move to the top of the cylinder like a tornado minus the oil. Think of it as a glass of water and then stir it fast. When you remove the stirrer you will notice a tornado like funnel in the center of the glass. At the bottom of the cone is the oil collection reservior that you can drip back to the crankcase via gravity. Simple and elegant design. This design has no moving parts just pure physics. No maintenance. The draw back of this design is that it is only 80% efficient. The efficieny of separation becomes lower when the velocity of the PCV oil/air mixture is slow (low rpm condition).

Which brings me to the second stage, a highly effiecient coalesent strainer in cylinder that will catch whatever oil escapes in the first stage. Again oil collected will be dripped back to the crankcase via gravity. The output is then feed to the post air filter stage of the intake manifold.

I plan to mount this on the strut bar which is the highest part of the engine bay. So puro sketces palang mga pare.

tnx

rodski

[altec]

Ok na ang fuel knock ko after I changed the priming pump assembly. The problem is that their assembly is only the old design. Mas maliit ang filter cartrige niya. At first, sabi ng Kia, kasya daw ang slim cartrige with my old assembly, therefore, the old filter should fit in the new assembly. Mga loko, DI KASYA! So I went back and searched for Leolop's attached fuel filter pictures, duda ko ang stocks nila yung old design. Mga lokoloko, when I showed the pictures to them before, sabi nila puro new design na daw. Ma-away nga mamaya. But I have no choice, that's their only stock.

I asked them so next time we need to change the fuel filter, anong stock ang meron? They said yung filter using the new assembly. But when I asked what if di ko pinalitan ang assemby, e di wala na ang new filter? Meron din daw. Under what product code? Same daw. HUUHHH? I paid 3,500+ for the assembly.

[ericmm]

Question lang po. I finally got my estrol BD from garyq and I was browsing through all the other threads about the use of BD and I am a bit confused on what would be the initial mixture I should use. Is it 10%, 5%, 2% or 1%? For our carnival, what will be the best mixture? TIA

[leolop]

when we got our carnival, it had been stuck in a warehouse for 10 months. grabe smoke belching!

i decided to go with the quick fix recommended on the BD thread and went through 90 liters at 20% mix. then i had my fuel filter changed. after that 30 liters at 10%, and now 5% where i plan to maintain it.

result: after a month, absolutely no visible smoke even if i rev it up to 3000 rpm.

[salonika]

Question lang po. I finally got my estrol BD from garyq and I was browsing through all the other threads about the use of BD and I am a bit confused on what would be the initial mixture I should use. Is it 10%, 5%, 2% or 1%? For our carnival, what will be the best mixture? TIA

I drive a 2001 carnival and have been using the premixed (1%) biodiesel from Flying V stations. So far, the effect is as claimed so everytime I pass by a Flying V station I top up since there are limited stations with premixed biodiesel. I plan to increase the percentage to see if there is a significant difference kaso the concentrate gets sold out fast.

[salonika]

kaya ayan, last time ball joints ang pinagawa ko kay toti sa zee's, ngayon naman stabilizer links. toti quoted P150 for the polymer injection; fronte quoted P430 for new parts. i still can't get over the fact that kia parts are priced so low as compared to nissan parts.

I always have my carnival serviced by Signet Mandaluyong so I have to pay casa price for parts and labor. I really don't know of other shops that can service Kias efficiently. All my engine supports are also due for replacement and I've been forewarned that it will be a bit expensive so I'm looking for an alternative shop to source the parts.

Where is Zee's and Fronte? Reliable ba sila, do they do service o parts lang? Who is Toti? Siya ba ang hahanapin?

Thanks in advance guys.

[diesoline]

zee carplus service
0917 4331964 / 7248309

fronte
7120864 / 7120919

goodgear
8338382 / 5110376

toti is the proprietor of zee. best to go there early to avoid the queue. zee is in aurora blvd, san juan. if you are coming from cubao, it's a block after the mrt station after broadway centrum. the entrance to the shop is easy to miss as it is just a small one.

fronte is in banawe. it is in kabignayan street, a few blocks from e. rodriguez, just before the children's hospital. goodgear is fronte's sister store in pasay.

[benchph1]

i have replaced the front engine support on our carnival. as far as i can remember it costs 1t++ a piece. used OEM that i bought in banawe( name of the shop is lourdes auto supply) reason why it costs that much is because its huge.

so far i have tried Delta motors Marikina & Kia Quezon Avenue for the servicing of our carnival. Kia QA is fine, courteous staff, competent mechanics. thats it. Stay away from Delta Motors. i still remember what the mechanic told me that OEM spare parts are inherently weak. how's that for brand motivation? out of curiosity, i mailed the tech support of kia motors korea. they forwarded it to the national service advisor of columbian motors inc. last thing i know Apollo Rosal, the National Service Advisor called me and asked who was the mechanic & service manager. all i know is they got some kind of "re-orientation" seminar at the Assembly Plant. :D

[jds]

Thanks for the info.... btw, I was told by one of the KIA dealer, that the KIA Carnival was being phased out, and they will not carry any carnival anymore? Is there any dealers still selling the carnival, especially with Diesel engine?

I posted a photo of the 2006 prototype a few pages back. Anyway, you can just do a Google search for "2006 Sedona" and I'm sure you'll come up with several hits such as this. That article, posted 2/10/2005, stated that "Kia executives say the 2006 Sedona will not be production-ready for nine months, putting it in dealerships at some point late this year."

Edited to add:

I took my own advice and did a search, and I found newer pictures. Check out this photo from the Chicago Auto Show -- http://www.chicagoautoshow.com/uploa...8829D31C5C.JPG

One thing I wish the Kia design team would change is the position of the front signal light. At present, and even in the 2006 prototype, the signal light is incorporated in the main headlight housing. This is a disadvantage when driving at night, as the intensity of the headlights will actually make oncoming drivers avoid looking at this area of the van, so they might not see you signalling. Just my 2 cents.

[mikey177]

jds,

Try asking at Wheels E. Rodriguez in New Manila. I was there about a month ago and the sales rep said they might have a new shipment of diesel Sedonas next month.

[diesoline]

an agent for kia once told me that too. it is apparently a ploy to push sales of whatever they have in stock. when i was looking for a diesel carnival late 2003, the agent told me that columbian motors won't be importing diesel sedonas until their inventory of sedona v6s are nearly sold out.

[leolop]

salonika and jds, welcome to the thread! wow, our group is really growing.

jds, just so you can make an informed decision, you should also check out the gray market model carnival. it has more features, a crdi engine, is cheaper, but has a very limited warranty. maybe diesoline can give you the number of the importer he bought his unit from if you're interested.