Khaos Super Gas Saver

[van_wilder]

Originally posted by vixen
Should you want to ask more questions specifically about some technical stuff, You can face mr. planas himself or the other way around and would be glad to assist you. if you want a demo, he would also be glad to show u. as well as those proofs that you were asking.

you both are invited on our meeting sa saturday the fort po. what if naprove namin na fake yan, titigil po ba kayo at willing na mag-apologize sa mga tao and pay the damages?

Originally posted by vixen
Furthermore, I figured that its useless to have a debate on someone who havent tried the device and yet throw criticisms or rather do some potshots.

before you try a product siyempre pagaaralan mo ito... kasi yun trial and error hindi consumer ang gagawa niyan, company and reviewers...

Originally posted by vixen
just like ***, how can you say it is gross or wonderful if one havent experience it yet...

madali lang... kung pangit yun babae, malamang gross yun...

Originally posted by vixen
Anyways, the worth of the product is on the pudding. Its up to all of you if you think its a faker or whatever. the company is growing and will get bigger soon enough.

yun na nga ang nakakatakot eh, kung lumaki kayo tapos scam lang... eh di maraming pinoy ang naloko?

Originally posted by vixen
Yeah yeah yeah... youre engineers, educators or whatsoever degree you've finished. have you done something worthy out of it? Inventors are not necessarily college graduate to also prove their credibility...

...but you have to prove your worth muna... ano yun maniniwala kami kung kani-kanino dahil sabi ng isang tao na hindi naman namin kilala...

Originally posted by vixen
That US EPA test i was saying, before all these things began, they're just waiting for that endorsement from the government then they cn all proceed to that stage, the next one and so on and so forth.

according to a very reliable source... yun tipong doon na nagtratrabaho ang tatay... or you kung ayaw mo pa rin maniwala, call the EPA na lang... i think (im not sure, sabi lang ng EPA, hindi ako yun gumawa...) na wala pa pong pumapasa na ganyan... lahat daw ng claims na gas-saving hindi totoo... walang change sa mileage... maniniwala pa sana ako kung sinabi mong VVTI na yun makina... kasi yun camry 2.4V talagang tipid sa gas kasi variable-timing ek ek... same lang ng consumption with an altis na luma (1.6L)...

alam ko naman na gusto mo yun ganito na pinag-uusapan eh... publicity whether good or bad is still publicity...

kung effective talaga kayo... bakti hindi kayo pinagkakagulohan? kung totoo yun claims niyo, kayo ang hahabulin ng customer hindi kayo ang hahabol... alam mo kaya hindi kayo mabenta kasi pagod na ang mga tao magpaloko, kaya nga hindi na nanalo si FPJ sa election eh...

[pissword]

sir m54 i think na post na po ni sir ghost yung reply ng taiwan testing center sa kabilang thread or was it glennster...

[empy]

Originally posted by vixen
Yeah yeah yeah... youre engineers, educators or whatsoever degree you've finished. have you done something worthy out of it? Inventors are not necessarily college graduate to also prove their credibility...

here you go again with a personal attack and a really long post without substance or any valid data. strike #4.

fyi, the people who question your product are doctors, professors, scientists and engineers, plus other people whose hobby and passion is working on cars and understanding how they work. they are intelligent enough to be operating on people, educating our youth, and doing scientific research/development for large companies

now, it's your turn - what are YOUR credentials? what makes you an expert to endorse KTSC or tell people it works? oh, i forgot, you're a "non-technical" person. please then, do us a favor and bring a technical person here so we don't waste our time with you.

somebody doesn't need a degree to be brilliant - Thomas Edison dropped out of school at age 7 - but we don't know Pablo Planas. he hasn't proven anything to us.

instead of giving us facts or data to support that the product works, you have resorted to immaturely attacking all the people who doubt the product (AGAIN, we doubt because we've seen countless other products that look like this and don't work, and you guys haven't given us any facts. is that so wrong?)

please go away.

[van_wilder]

Originally posted by M54 Powered
somebody doesn't need a degree to be brilliant - Thomas Edison dropped out of school at age 7 - but we don't know Pablo Planas. he hasn't proven anything to us.

ito po yun sinasabi namin bago kami maniwala... kasi hindi naman siya kilala eh. kailangan mo muna iprove ang sarili mo sa mundo bago kanila paniwalaan, ano gusto mo maniwala agad?

aside from this of course dapat may scientific data to back up the claims... dito po kayo nadale.... wala na nga sa una, lalo na dito...

[snyc3]

Anyone who endorses publicly automatic may kapalit... si Ka Noli pa eh..... ewan ko.

[A121]

Originally posted by vixen

Yeah yeah yeah... youre engineers, educators or whatsoever degree you've finished. have you done something worthy out of it? Inventors are not necessarily college graduate to also prove their credibility...

Do you believe that Mr. Planas has done something good for the Philippines with his "invention"?

FYI,

NOx emmisions cause the destruction of lung tissues. I have read it on a book about automotive emmisions.

Catalytic converters convert these harmful emissions to something which is better for the environment. However, the guy you are supporting doesn't like catalytic converters.

Originally posted by vixen

As long as 90% says it works. should we worry of the 10%? guess not. It has been studied. it can be manageable. their expert mechanics can deal with that or if they don't want and those consumers were really not satisfied the company would be glad to give their money back. those people are not greedy.

the 90% would save gasoline but would suffer lung problems soon. hehe

Goind back to the topic, The question is... How is the KSTC tested? There are research and testing methodologies that should be followed.

When we have done a research project during high school, to prove that our project worked (or failed). We needed to show the testing data and prove what we have done is correct for the project.

[Bogeyman]

Originally posted by vixen
I have to admit i'm not a "technical'' kindof person. I may have some mistakes when i posted something about where and how the device works.

Neither am I, if that's what you're thinking. You don't really need to have a thorough technical know-how to discuss the product. All you need is a little elementary science education and a dose of common sense.

As long as 90% says it works. should we worry of the 10%? guess not. It has been studied. it can be manageable. their expert mechanics can deal with that or if they don't want and those consumers were really not satisfied the company would be glad to give their money back. those people are not greedy.

When our money, health, property and the environment are at stake, we will deem any compromise unacceptable. A 90% approval is NOT GOOD ENOUGH. For a scientific theory to become a law, its results must be proven consistently, in any given occassion. It's the same with Khaos. Everyone, everywhere must be in agreement that it works. And how do you make it happen? Through rigorous and independent testing, something that Pablo Planas and his cohorts have nothing to show for, except meaningless documents and empty praise. Also, might I question the timing of the said product. How convenient that Khaos would come along, at the height of oil problems worldwide. Can you say, "opportunist"?

When consumer complaints start trickling in, I wouldn't be surprised if Planas and Inventionhaus turn out to be one of those fly-by-night jokers.

Should you want to ask more questions specifically about some technical stuff, You can face mr. planas himself or the other way around and would be glad to assist you. if you want a demo, he would also be glad to show u. as well as those proofs that you were asking.

We would appreciate it more if he were to discuss the inner workings of his product to the people at large, via nationwide broadcast media. Let's explore the most intricate details of his "super gas saver". After all, as his product is being touted to be the messiah of fossil fuel-powered engines, we ought to make a really big deal out of it, riiiiiight?

Furthermore, I figured that its useless to have a debate on someone who havent tried the device and yet throw criticisms or rather do some potshots.

Do you have a car? Do you have the device installed in it? Do tell us what you've experienced so far, instead of mouthing off praise, err, press releases.

just like ***, how can you say it is gross or wonderful if one havent experience it yet...

As far as I know, I haven't been foolish enough to shell out 6500 pesos just to have wonderful ***. Besides, this is a display of your obviously flawed logic. The sentiments towards *** are subjective; the overall effects that Khaos brings are not, yet you and everyone else associated with you refuse to acknowledge them.

Anyways, the worth of the product is on the pudding. Its up to all of you if you think its a faker or whatever. the company is growing and will get bigger soon enough.

The bigger it gets, the harder it will eventually crash and burn, especially if its reputation has been built on lies and deceitful practices.

Yeah yeah yeah... youre engineers, educators or whatsoever degree you've finished. have you done something worthy out of it?

And I suppose selling a half-baked product to a gullible country is WAAAAAAY BETTER than being a critical thinker. How about you, child? Do YOU in turn think that you're doing something worthy out of whatever it is that you've finished?

Inventors are not necessarily college graduate to also prove their credibility...

And it's not necessary for us to be inventors to criticize Pablo Planas' credibility.

I understand your concern to those people you think are being fooled of the product. I'll leave that to you...

Thank you.

still, i will wait for that government and car manufacturer about their action on us, that niky claimed he had sent them an email regarding that device.

That's TWO car manufacturers, for your information. I am currently in possession of an email from Mr. Froilan Dytianquin, AVP for Marketing Services, Mitsubishi Motors Philippines Corporation. In behalf of MMPC, he has committed to bring the Khaos matter to the Chamber of Automotive Manufacturers in the Philippines, Inc. (CAMPI), in light of claims made by unscrupulous dealers that Khaos is a manufacturer-approved device.

And you might as well wait for people having their engines breaking down, or dying of respiratory diseases, or having an irreversibly-damaged ecosystem before taking a second look at the very product that you are supporting.

That US EPA test i was saying, before all these things began, they're just waiting for that endorsement from the government then they cn all proceed to that stage, the next one and so on and so forth.

And we all know what the result will be, with already decades of precedents.

Again, vixen, don't dig yourself any deeper than you already are. You're obviously way in over your head on this one.

[niky]

Vixen, do you have anything better to do besides coming in here to piss people off?

You're not convincing anybody, so let's just let this rest. I don't care what you think anymore, since basically all I've heard you say is:

A. We're morons who don't like it and don't want to try it.

B. We know absolutely nothing about automotive technology... this coming from someone who said: "I have to admit i'm not a "technical'' kindof person. I may have some mistakes when i posted something about where and how the device works."

C. We're useless because we can't change public perception of this device and can't stop the spread of the KSTC.

That is all I hear you say, every single post. If you don't have anything DIFFERENT to say next post, I think you deserve the ban. If we don't matter and can't do anything about this, then why talk to us? Just leave this discussion. Thank you.

[snyc3]

Easy lang mga guys... hehehe...

[kiper]

Do you know the story about the boy who cried wolf?

It is a very good story. You can get a lot of lesson from it.

Good Day.

[rebel]

Hanep haba nga ng usapan dito hahahahaha.

Well sa akin simple lang.

I gave the Khaos device a try and it was installed last friday and after 2 weeks or 1 months I will be able to tell you guys if it really saves fuel or not. ( pag 1 month ibig sabihin umalis uli ako )

Don't get me wrong I don't endorse them and I have no plans of doing so. I'm a mechanical engineer but I just like to give this a try.

I have to agree that INVENTORS doesn't have to be well educated and all they need is an idea and believe in it. ( in the early day they never imagine that going to the moon would be possible).

The sad part for the INVENTORS is if they don't have money to finance their work and it would take a life time before people will recognize their work.

I installed the device on my Expedition with 5.4L engine and I think I clock up more miles than most of you here. So it woud be easy for me to know the savings if there is any.

The installation on took 15 minutes and It didn't cut any of my existing parts and most of all I can go back to the original configuration in 15 mins.

I pay about 1,000 peos of gas a day :D for my trip to the office and back home. It's not how much I can save on gas (gas is free for me due to my privillage) but it's more to find out if there is any truth to the device able to save on fuel.

Consider this as a verification of the device and at any rate I was promised by the supplier that I can have my money back in 6 months if I wouldn't be able to save the money I invested on the unit. But I didn't tell the supplier that I clock up about 200 km a day

I did promise the supplier if there would be any truth to this claim on fuel saving I would have it installed in all of our petrol run cars.

I have to agree with most of you that it should not be label as TURBO CHARGER or Zero Emission.

I post regulary at "pwede ba pagusapan dito ang expe" under the SUV threads.

Well guys 1 month is a very short period and I assure you if it doesn't work I'll go get my money back. (mapapahiya yun sa akin if hindi soli pera ko)

By the way my 5.4L expedition have a consumption car that records every full tank and kilometer readings since the first day I got the car.

I don't care about warrranty issues as I DON'T HAVE ONE hahahhahaha bec. It was imported.

Well goodluck to my engine and goodluck to the device.

[mazdamazda]

rebel,

yung emmission kasi hindi ma-test since wala tayong gas analyzer that can measure NOx.

IMO, pwede natin makita ang effect ng KSTC using an air-fuel gauge... this is commonly used by racers to fine-tune their engine... we'll then see on how the said device really works...

[OTEP]

Make sure they'll replace your cat (converter) if it fails.

Ang problema, there is no way for you to find out if your cat is ruined already because there are no NOx testing facilities locally.

[rebel]

Hello Mazdamazda,

I don't have such a device to test it basta bottom line if may matitipid yun device or wala.

If it works good for the device and good for most of us.

If it doesn't money back for me.

At the end of the day what matter's most is the credibility of the inventor.

I can't make any claims that it boost TORQUE as I can't feel this on my expe. maybe bec I have a massive engine already.

I can realate to most of the guys here why they don't want to give it a try but for me finding out the fuel savings would be easy after a few weeks.

An average car user would only clock something between 10,000 to 15,000 kms a year but for me I can clock up to 60,000 a year which is about 5 years equivalent of the average car user here in the Philippines.

By the way I'm a avid user of BIO-diesel after my verification confirmed fuel savings and reduce emission.

We now buy this in DRUMS and used as additive for all our diesel cars, truck and generators.

[mazdamazda]

eto po yung sagot ko sa Exped thread:

for sure... titipid ang gas consumption mo... dahil magiging lean-burn ang engine mo...

ang gagawin kasi ng KSTC ay magpapasok ng hangin pagkatapos magcompute ng ECU ng optimal air-fuel ratio. ginagawa ito para gumana ang catalytic converter at para mabreakdown ang NOx emmission. kapag lean-burn or rich-burn ang setting ng engine, hindi gagana ang catalytic converter mo.

ang KSTC ay designed kasi para sa mag carb engines. pero ngayong may ECU na, hindi na kailangan yan kasi ang ECU ang nagcocompute na nun.

pa try rin naman sa high-RPM yung KSTC pre... tingnan natin kung tama ang comment nung taga mymitsu na nasasakal daw yung engine.

for sure... titipid yan... pat mag improve ang HC & CO emmission. kahit na ang EPA sinabi rin yan. yung NOx lang talaga ang problema.

[rebel]

Yow Otep I'm almost 101% sure hindi nila papalita cat converter if masira.

At any rate OK lang sa akin wala cat converter hehehehehehh dami dyan OWNER jeeps wala naman cat converter. (but ofcourse bad for mother earth)

Sa USA some states doesn't require cat converters but my xpe comes with cat converter because it's from LA.

Guys don't get me wrong that I like to destroy the environment as this is against my belief.

Part of our business diversification is ITP or industrial tree planting and one of our objectives is to produce oxygen to be sold for the kyoto protocol. ( it's our own way of helping mother earth )

[rebel]

mazdamazda saan ba yan thread na yan para mabasa nga.

sa bagay and usapan lang namin ng nag benta ng device is that it would save fuel but up to how many % that I will find out if meron nga talaga.

Pero yun ZERO emission hindi ako naniniwala dun at yun boost ng TORQUE wala din ako na feel.

[mazdamazda]

here's a very brief explanation.

lean-burn -> good fuel economy, further reduction of HC & CO emmission, dramatic increase in NOx emmission

stoich -> average fuel economy, average engine performance, reduction of HC, CO & NOx emmission

rich-burn -> poor fuel economy, good engine performance, average HC, CO & NOx emmission

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eto pala yung link...

http://www.fuelsaving.info/

tapos backread ka lang sa thread na ito... dami na naming na post na explanation kasi.

[rebel]

Ah so problem is NOx pala hehehehe. well in that case totoo pwede reduce fuel yun device nya problem lang NOx.

Dapat siguro invent siya pang reduce NOx to compliment the Khaos.

[ghosthunter]

btw, if your vehicle has a closed loop ECU, the ecu will simply negate the changes made by the khaos device by adjusting the air-fuel ratio going into the engine. In the end, no change.