Khaos Super Gas Saver

[pissword]

nagpapapogi sa pagamit ng KSTC?

are you saying po ba na sisikat siya kasi gamit niya ang KSTC? or is it the other way around?

ang KSTC sisikat kasi ineendorse ni ka noli?

pakiclear naman po, i think mas sikat naman si ka noli, at kung magpapapogi lang naman din po siya, i think hindi KSTC ang kelanga niya

[ghosthunter]

baka naman libre yung kay ka noli kasi endores daw niya yung device?

[empy]

Originally posted by vixen
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asking for the third time...where's the test data?

you say that you're trying to build their image - there's only way you can do that on this forum - post unimpeachable test results (or a link to it).

you're spending all this time responding to personal attacks (and making some of your own), but you won't do the one thing that will shut all the doubters up (and help sell your product).

surely testing has been done....right?

[Benji_DCP]

Originally posted by M54 Powered
asking for the third time...where's the test data?

you say that you're trying to build their image - there's only way you can do that on this forum - post unimpeachable test results (or a link to it).

you're spending all this time responding to personal attacks (and making some of your own), but you won't do the one thing that will shut all the doubters up (and help sell your product).

surely testing has been done....right?

Posters and readers of this forum alike definitely do not lack in technical depth, hence the demand for plausible and incorrigible test data/results that will validate KSTC claims.

Testimonials and anecdotal evidences won't sell!

[pissword]

testimonials and anecdotal evidences are all that matters to ms vixen after all... kasama siya ng marketing team ng KSTC. as long as maganda pakinggan pwede na yan

[explorer]

Originally posted by vixen
I am affiliated with the company,hmm in a way, because I'm one of those people who build their image, we help them so that they can be heard, seen and be talk about.

Im not doing a sales talk here, lemme reiterate that I'm not forcing anybody here to buy. It's their prerogative. I know, too, that they are not gullible. I came here, and keep on coming back its because I find this thread interesting so I jumped in then I posted something, somebody reacted and soon everyone follows.

intentional or unintentional attack, dun kerr. I'm a good player. I dont easily get pissed off. its like im arguing with some ex but anyways I'm enjoying it

it think the most sensible thing you can do to help build a good image of the company you are working with is to tell us here the official product desciption of that KSTC and what is the use of that product. very misleading kasi kaya i won't blame some people here kung ganun nalang reaction nila...imagine sa pangalan palang ng product nakalagay turbo charging ang function pero based sa mga pinost mo dito para sa emission control ang device. it's ok if you would ask the help of other technical people to convince us that that device is realy working according to what you are claiming. let's have technical debate here if only to prove each of our side. ang hirap kasi you started mentioning some technical aspects which most people understand here but i think on your part you still have to understand them.

Originally posted by vixen
I won't blame you or them for criticizing it or squarely laying their doubts on the table. of course that's man egoistic nature.

it's not about ego...it's about the truth if that product is really working effectively based on what you are claiming.

[5Speed]

we've got a very healthy discussion in here.....hehehehe

nice thread....

[Bogeyman]

Khaos only fulfills one part of the bargain: fuel economy. What Planas and cohorts don't show us is the big picture, how use of the Khaos device really affects engines in the long run. Nor do they even care to discuss the product in detail.

Something revolutionary worth "protecting"? Or no great shakes at all?

Vixen, not being directly involved in sales does not in any way absolve you from our scrutiny. On the contrary, you have an even greater responsibility than the sales people to explain the product to anyone who demands to know, because you are involved in building its image. You are in the business of affecting how people will perceive the product that you are endorsing (yes, you are already endorsing it, by nature of your work). So naturally, everyone here will take the opportunity to scrutinize and challenge your knowledge of the product in question.

In light of repeated failures of similar products in the face of independent scrutiny, what makes the Khaos Super Turbo Charger so exceptional? Why the false claims i.e. "zero emissions"? Why does Pablo Planas repeatedly refuse to discuss his very own invention in detail, so that the public may thoroughly understand the principles, the advantages, the limitations and the possible dangers of its use? How much (or rather, how little) are the makers of Khaos willing to let the public know about their product? Is Pablo Planas himself willing to go beyond the usual "money back guarantee" and prepare to shoulder any costs incurred as a result of the adverse effects that Khaos will have on the engine, and on the environment as a whole?

Originally posted by vixen
I'm not a fraud.

When one works in close association with a fraud, one becomes a fraud as well.

[empy]

Originally posted by Bogeyman
Is Pablo Planas himself willing to go beyond the usual "money back guarantee" and prepare to shoulder any costs incurred as a result of the adverse effects that Khaos will have on the engine, and on the environment as a whole?

bwehehe....i'll give you one guess

hint: it starts with "N" and ends with "O"

[doc eric]

I recently insisted on handling the science course for business ( including marketing) majors ..........

[Benji_DCP]

Originally posted by doc eric
I recently insisted on handling the science course for business ( including marketing) majors ..........

Eric,

IMO, we need to enhance the student's Critical Thinking skills and of-course, reinforced adherence to proper business ethics.

[Bogeyman]

As my former Journalism professor would always say, always question everything.

Planas and Co. are the ones selling the product and making the outrageous claims, so the burden of proof is on them. An endorsement by the Philippine government, which does not exactly enjoy the most favorable reputation, means nothing.

[Stuckinstock]

can we invite mr. planas or ms vixen to the upcoming EB to shed some light on their so called miracle product.






make me a believer.

[ghosthunter]

Originally posted by M54 Powered
asking for the third time...where's the test data?

actually I already have the so-called test data from taiwan. It doesn't prove anything except they did ONE test for emissions. No before & after test.

So much for rigid testing by taiwan's Automotive Research & Testing Center for KSTC. I assume Ford Makati dealers did a similar rigid testing.... :freak:

[Bogeyman]

Anyone interested to see the Taiwan "test" results, PM ghosthunter or me.

Let's see if anyone else can better decipher such a flimsy document....

[explorer]

Originally posted by ghosthunter
So much for rigid testing by taiwan's Automotive Research & Testing Center for KSTC. I assume Ford Makati dealers did a similar rigid testing.... :freak:

of all the local automotive assemblers in the philippines, ford is the strictest in implementing any added device or mechanism (specially those devices that are connected to engines, drive trains or any other portion that has safety issues) to all its product. anything that is not tested and approved by its product engineering group from US, Europe or Japan research and testing facilities will surely be not approved to be installed in any of its automobile. ford is very strict about it to avoid any legal charges in the future. if the dealers are doing something without ford's approval, that would be a grave violation of their franchise agreement.

[empy]

Originally posted by ghosthunter
actually I already have the so-called test data from taiwan. It doesn't prove anything except they did ONE test for emissions. No before & after test.

So much for rigid testing by taiwan's Automotive Research & Testing Center for KSTC. I assume Ford Makati dealers did a similar rigid testing.... :freak:

great!! so, are you able to post it here? how about we see it all for ourselves?

of course, an emissions test does not do anything to prove their claims of better fuel economy...

[vixen]

I have to admit i'm not a "technical'' kindof person. I may have some mistakes when i posted something about where and how the device works.

As long as 90% says it works. should we worry of the 10%? guess not. It has been studied. it can be manageable. their expert mechanics can deal with that or if they don't want and those consumers were really not satisfied the company would be glad to give their money back. those people are not greedy.

Should you want to ask more questions specifically about some technical stuff, You can face mr. planas himself or the other way around and would be glad to assist you. if you want a demo, he would also be glad to show u. as well as those proofs that you were asking.

Furthermore, I figured that its useless to have a debate on someone who havent tried the device and yet throw criticisms or rather do some potshots.

just like ***, how can you say it is gross or wonderful if one havent experience it yet...

Anyways, the worth of the product is on the pudding. Its up to all of you if you think its a faker or whatever. the company is growing and will get bigger soon enough.

Yeah yeah yeah... youre engineers, educators or whatsoever degree you've finished. have you done something worthy out of it? Inventors are not necessarily college graduate to also prove their credibility...

I understand your concern to those people you think are being fooled of the product. I'll leave that to you...

still, i will wait for that government and car manufacturer about their action on us, that niky claimed he had sent them an email regarding that device.

That US EPA test i was saying, before all these things began, they're just waiting for that endorsement from the government then they cn all proceed to that stage, the next one and so on and so forth.

[Walter]

Originally posted by vixen
Furthermore, I figured that its useless to have a debate on someone who havent tried the device and yet throw criticisms or rather do some potshots.

I haven't tried Bangkok pills or herion but will gladly have a debate with you about the damages they cost in the long term

just like ***, how can you say it is gross or wonderful if one havent experience it yet...

This is a silly analogy. Which brings us back to drugs, haven't tried it but we can sure tell you it's not good. Besides, who ever heard about anyone compalining that *** is gross???

Anyways, the worth of the product is on the pudding. Its up to all of you if you think its a faker or whatever. the company is growing and will get bigger soon enough.

A company growing bigger is not a proof that they are selling better products. It might mean they have fooled /swindled a lot of people. Which brings us back to drugs, drug lords are rich and their market is also growing and getting bigger.

Marketing! Given a chance, they'll sell ice to eskimos.

[OTEP]

You don't need a government endorsement to be tested by the EPA.