Tsikot Sport Vehicle Project

[jpdm]

Ito gawa ko.

Salamin, pinto at hood lang ang natira sa donor car.

http://www.fiatforum.com/x1-9/180347...at-x1-9-a.html

Galing pre!

[ehnriko]

Galing pre!

Naku JP... you shouldn't be impressed with what they did on that beautiful FIAT sports car.

Mas maige pang nirestore na lang nila yan - it's a BErtone Designed car - the same design studio that brought us the Countache of Lamborghini.

Yung Customized body works nila - lalong pinabigat lang yung kaha. Kulang sa Engineering... it's actually more of a whimsical approach in customizing body works. clearly, the design was influenced by what they see on the streets from cheap looking Import RICER's... This is a classic destroyed. If my Afficionado Friend was still alive - I would hear him cry in disgust about this. He will say - They just killed a beautiful classic.

The CONGE Cars would have made a better candidate for a Pinoy Sports Car.

or - Dino Juans ENZO 911....

Here's one of the last example my friends made out of the original molds...

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCoxzU5ltS0"]YouTube - My Porsche 911 (Replica) ..how I wished...[/ame]

[ehnriko]

Or ATOY's 356 Version Creation....

without destroying the original lines... he kept everything simple, neat and clean.

Adding a newer type of wheels will not adulterate the over all design theme.

This is the way to do it.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-7OhYOcFO0"]YouTube - PORSCHE 356, A Perfect Car for Hydrogen Enhancement[/ame]

[ehnriko]

FYI - I do have a VIPER Fiberglass Shell... I have neglected it already since building it up is not my priority nowadays.

But it can be a good body platform to do something like that of Atoys bath tub.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2WxjTHytvw"]YouTube - My Dodge Viper (or whats left of it...)[/ame]

[ehnriko]

Or... my also neglected Ferrari 308 GTS "Magnum PI" fiberglass shell...

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oNJuyqGStQ"]YouTube - My Ferrari 308GTS Replica (Shell only... or whats left of it..)[/ame]


Some people can really be crazy collecting stuff like these... I am in that group of people.

[ocanursjr]

Ito gawa ko.

Salamin, pinto at hood lang ang natira sa donor car.

http://www.fiatforum.com/x1-9/180347...at-x1-9-a.html

thumbs up ako!:handinhand:

[wildthing]

on a point of view of a "purist" hindi nila talaga matitipuhan yung work of art ni sir Turbo with their Fiat X1-9....

but then again it is his money....so he has all the right and motivations to do it.

Personally I also find it ingenious and marvelous. I am a purist for oldschool but realistically rebuilding the Fiat X1-9 back to stock is a near impossible feat... lalo na sa Pilipinas wherein parts are difficult to find.

What I like most with Turbo's work is that everything was mechanically sound and the body are mostly metal and not bondo.

I hope I can visit sir Turbo's sa Bocaue one of these days... and see that fiat in actuality.

[jpdm]

JP, anong very nice ka dyan... eh hiniram lang ni Jager yan from a Dutch site.

The Caterham is not an evolution of the Super 7 Lotus... it is merely another Tuner company which continued the Super 7 heritage by using the same platform.

Check mo yung mga plate number ng mga kotseng yan.... the VW outside the garage has some Belgian Plates on it... but the Caterham 7 has Dutch plates...

However, Nene Syquia makes an equally beautiful Super 7's in his garage... I should really take pictures of his workshop one of these days.

With regards to the Bar Stunner fiberglass car... It is not a Supercar at all... It will only be a Supercar once it comes into the 300 KPH territory. With all the creature comforts inside the cabin like AC, Stereo, etc.

The Curves criteria is not even a criteria at all.

What I see is a trying hard car wanting to be another McLaren F1 or a Ferrari F40. Thats all there is to it.

A lot of lines were borrowed from the famous marques, I am even inclined to believe that it was homolgated from another Kit-Car body which can be bought or ordered online.

For a design or a concept to become a supercar... it should be first and foremost already a supercar in paper. No compromises... in Ergonomics, Power Plant, Tranny, Technological inputs, etc.

One Example is... The Ronn Scorpion. Google about it.

Another Example would be the Bugatti Veyron, Noble and the Ultimax...

There are still many Supercars who attained this level without really trying to become a shadow or a mimic of another supercar.

If you paint the prototype Black... then you are already hiding many things from the public. The darkest color you can apply should be antracite grey like that of the REVENTON.

But it is customary to paint it in Silver or White... this is to show the beauty of the creation as it is... in Bone Stock Shape. The wheels doesnt have to be great looking.

For example... The Ferrari 308 GTSi - was considered "The Most ***iest Car ever". I am referring to the Magnum PI Ferrari. This is not even a Supercar, but the sharp and definitive lines oozes with ***uality.

You can put the body of this car even on Motorcycle Wheels... its beautiful body will still stand out.

I did it once already... I should know.

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Feeling ko lalo akong popogi pang nakasakay ako sa blue na sports car na yan..

[ocanursjr]

on a point of view of a "purist" hindi nila talaga matitipuhan yung work of art ni sir Turbo with their Fiat X1-9....

but then again it is his money....so he has all the right and motivations to do it.

Personally I also find it ingenious and marvelous. I am a purist for oldschool but realistically rebuilding the Fiat X1-9 back to stock is a near impossible feat... lalo na sa Pilipinas wherein parts are difficult to find.

What I like most with Turbo's work is that everything was mechanically sound and the body are mostly metal and not bondo.

I hope I can visit sir Turbo's sa Bocaue one of these days... and see that fiat in actuality.

Agree, at the end, it his money. No money no honey!

[donbuggy]

With regards to the Bar Stunner fiberglass car... It is not a Supercar at all... It will only be a Supercar once it comes into the 300 KPH territory. With all the creature comforts inside the cabin like AC, Stereo, etc.

The Curves criteria is not even a criteria at all.

What I see is a trying hard car wanting to be another McLaren F1 or a Ferrari F40. Thats all there is to it.

A lot of lines were borrowed from the famous marques, I am even inclined to believe that it was homolgated from another Kit-Car body which can be bought or ordered online.

For a design or a concept to become a supercar... it should be first and foremost already a supercar in paper. No compromises... in Ergonomics, Power Plant, Tranny, Technological inputs, etc.

A characteristic of a good designer is he or she is never satisfied with existing products.

[ehnriko]

I'm glad Don sees it the way I do... but this is not only me.

We don't want to encourage a path of a mob and a patron. If I patronize a design that is unique but not well thought of... I will only be fooling myself and the one doing it.

My friend Mario -XXXX had an original LOTUS SUPER 7 - na kinopya pa nila Oby Mapua in the 80's... What Mario did, he cut his lotus shorter so it can compete in Slaloms. I was shocked he did that to his classic. But - it's his money.

I didnt quite agree he did that, he could have just replicated it and made the replica shorter instead of destroying the original. Last time I heard of the Lotus - a magbabakal stole it. carried it on his kariton. Sayaaang.

With regards to design - there is no perfect design... but it doesnt mean - we have to be contend with one. It doesnt also mean we have to destroy one by pimping it.

The Fiat is merely an example of pimping it the wrong way.

The owner simply displayed his illussion of grandeur. By chosing a Fiat as a subject for pimping does not put him in any way into the afficionado circle. On the contrary - he is considered an enemy of automotive culture.

You do pimping on old school Japanese Junks... or even Import Racers... but never on classics.

The Fiat is a running museum... just like the Stratos in Autoplus along EDSA.

They are milestones in the evolution of design.

There is actually nothing to be restored in the Fiat except probably for the mechanicals... but who cares... it still has a well in tact body worth preserving.

This guy doesn't know what a treasure is. What he just did... is fed pearls to the pigs.

Magalit na kayo sa akin for being frank... but I am keeping this all to myself for a long time for the purpose of being civil... but to what end?

I think and I believe that the modern Pinoys should be given a lesson about real Car Culture and be not the laughing stock of the whole world in terms of ART and CULTURE.

I'll post my old pics of my collection of classic cars of which I used to own later for your reference so you know what I mean.

[jpdm]

For me, those restored or replica sports car are the Pinoy versions of those foreign design cars.

And those guys who painstakingly rebuild those vehicles should not be bothered by people who will say negative things about there car.

As turbo mentioned in a forum, he is from the Philippines and this is how he built his car. And because, he said that we dont have (original) kits here in our country, we can only fabricate parts.

So for me, in my opinion, those are beautiful cars made by Pinoys.

[OyiL]

For me, those restored or replica sports car are the Pinoy versions of those foreign design cars.

And those guys who painstakingly rebuild those vehicles should not be bothered by people who will say negative things about there car.

As turbo mentioned in a forum, he is from the Philippines and this is how he built his car. And because, he said that we dont have (original) kits here in our country, we can only fabricate parts.

So for me, in my opinion, those are beautiful cars made by Pinoys.

pero sayang. kung ako, i'll keep the exterior as it was designed. mechanicals, modernize ko.

[ehnriko]

For me, those restored or replica sports car are the Pinoy versions of those foreign design cars.

And those guys who painstakingly rebuild those vehicles should not be bothered by people who will say negative things about there car.

As turbo mentioned in a forum, he is from the Philippines and this is how he built his car. And because, he said that we dont have (original) kits here in our country, we can only fabricate parts.

So for me, in my opinion, those are beautiful cars made by Pinoys.

But the guy is just showing off in that forum.

He paints a bad picture of the real Pinoy Fabricators and Kit Car Builders.

If you know Nene Syquia... he exports California Specs - Lotus Super 7, MG, Porsche 550 Spyders to America. Nobody suspected it was made in the Philippines.

There is nothing to restore in that Fiat... he just destroyed it.

Even the wings are so BAD.

[jpdm]

But the guy is just showing off in that forum.

He paints a bad picture of the real Pinoy Fabricators and Kit Car Builders.

If you know Nene Syquia... he exports California Specs - Lotus Super 7, MG, Porsche 550 Spyders to America. Nobody suspected it was made in the Philippines.

There is nothing to restore in that Fiat... he just destroyed it.

Even the wings are so BAD.

I dont know. But, based on the reactions in the forum, he's doing good.

Anyway, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.

Well,if Mr. Syquia is exporting such stuff, I hope he declares it as Philippine made. So that people will know that we exports good sports car kits.

[ocanursjr]

I dont know. But, based on the reactions in the forum, he's doing good.

Anyway, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.

Well,if Mr. Syquia is exporting such stuff, I hope he declares it as Philippine made. So that people will know that we exports good sports car kits.

Agree, like Jappy of AMC Hummer kit in Australia. Made by Alana Motor Corporation, Philippines.

Sorry OT na ako.

[ehnriko]

Maybe its true that beauty is relative to the eye of those looking at it.

Unfortunately, those who think it's already beautiful... only saw the FIAT behind it.

Remove the FIAT... and just observe just the fabricated sheet metals.


Now- put a Tricycle beside it.


I leave the rest to your imagination.


Let's now compare....

Here's is what you should do to an old car.



me with my 1952 Presidential "Golden Anniversary" Cadillac Series 73X Limousine. It still has the original 309ci V8 engine.. it already has hydraulic valve lifters kaya silent engine ito.

I got it in a junk state.... I just had it body repaired, painted and restored the interior - and cleaned every single item of chrome - invested a lot of TLC to save it - not kill it. This foto was taken during my golden heydays.

[Phoenix67]

parang yung oto ni COBRA (stallone movie) white nga lang

[Phoenix67]

Eto pinoy-made, lotus7-inspired

[ehnriko]

More about the Lotus Super 7 - this is actually a Caterham model

In the effort to spoon feed the imagination of the enthusiasts.

In order to achieve a really good design - one must immerse and study or even make an analysis in depth of other Really Good Design.

If we are only customizing an already existing car... we are no better than the side car manufacturers of the provinces. If we are happy with an outrageous pimped wild radical customized Corvette, Fiat, Lambo, Ferrari or Skyline, etc. Then we are no better than the average machine shop or car repair shop who can do body works, fiberglass and custom paint jobs.

It has nothing to do with design.

To come up with a concept, one must develop a concept. Questions need to be answered like... budget, who's the target market, whats is mean to be achieved.

If for example- there is no real target market - and only a public statement is meant to be achieved... then- we need to adress what public statement it is.

For a vehicle to become a sport vehicle or sports car... it's all about mechanical efficiency. So Power to Weight Ratio is the main course of the design process.

Take for instance.

We want to make a good pinoy low budget sports car... then we need to learn from the best low budget sports car... what else but the Lotus Super 7.

But of course- we don't need to study it with it's clothes on... we need to undress it - unless we have X-ray vision.

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With this faculty of mind activated - we will not be spending so much trying to learn it the hard way or the costly way...

With the above schematic analysis - we can incorporate the approach by putting a more beautiful clothe over it - in this matter - let us borrow the Ferrari 308 GTS - skin and put it over a modified Lotus Super 7 Subframe.



Now that we are able to do this with our electronic imagination...

Then there is actually no limit to where it can bring us doesn't it???