Tsikot Sport Vehicle Project

[wildthing]

What about doing a sport vehicle instead?

Anybody interested to fill-in their body designs?

[donbuggy]

What's a sport vehicle? Is it a sports car or a sport utility vehicle?

[wildthing]

sports car

[lytspid]

what are the design parameters, shall we design according to the available surplus parts in the market or design without bounderies like as far as yuor imagination goes....the sport vehicle project ,is it only for pure racing in mind or an all porpose all wheel drive vehicle,,?

[wildthing]

i'd like to suggest:

- 2 seater
- 4 cylinder engine (practical for philippine condition) 1.3 to 1.6L (practical fuel consumption)
- race (drag, slalom, auto-cross, drift capable) and street capable (of course with suspension tuning)
mid-engine design (perhaps)

i have an idea of a "miniture" konigsegg-type sport - hehehe

TSV (tsikot super vehicle)

[Syuryuken]

tapos nasa likod yung engine

[ghosthunter]

i'd like to suggest:

- 2 seater
- 4 cylinder engine (practical for philippine condition) 1.3 to 1.6L (practical fuel consumption)
- race (drag, slalom, auto-cross, drift capable) and street capable (of course with suspension tuning)
mid-engine design (perhaps)

i have an idea of a "miniture" konigsegg-type sport - hehehe

TSV (tsikot super vehicle)

I think the vehicle in mind is the Lotus Elise.





2 seats - check!
4 banger 1.6 liter engine - check!
race and street capable - check!
mid engine layout - check!


Ok, project done.... Next!!

[dprox]

What about doing a sport vehicle instead?
Anybody interested to fill-in their body designs?

Hi wildthing.
Question: Is it your intention to see this project through to production, prototype, scale model, hardcopy, or CG modelling? Whichever level you want to take it, yes, by all means, this is the place to start it.

To better organize the project, http://www.disenyopilipino.ph/AutomotiveDP.pdf explains the broad stages of the auto DESIGN PROCESS. Be advised: magulo kung pagsasabay-sabayin ang stages ng process.

If there are tsikoteers who are interested in joining your team, this thread will flourish. This is your design thread, so take the lead. If you need help, just honk or PM. Remember that it will carry the Original Pinoy Vehicle tag, so don't fail us. Godspeed!

Recommended reading for everyone:
http://www.design-council.org.uk/en/...motive-design/
Additional references in "Wanna design a tsikot?"
http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38980

[wildthing]

thanks dprox for the info.

Actually, I also would like to make this some sort of an "OPEN SOURCE" sports car design. I wouldn't care if the big boys in the car industry will copy/imitate the work.

Unfortunately, baka there is no (direct) money in this venture .... but then again, who knows di ba?!

IMO, the STEP 1 - PRODUCT PLANNING

evolve around these:
Its an entry level sports car. Meaning, its like a "go-kart in steroids".


STEP 2 - DESIGN BRIEF

1) Targeted audience (not necessarily market) are young-would-be race drivers, race "riceboys", pocket-rocket lovers, college students who needs a good daily driver but with "pogi-points" and car-tweakers/DIYers.

2) Since this is an open-source and a starting set-up, I suggest not to re-invent the wheel - all technologies in underchasis, engine & engine management systems and tranny will likely be stock (or slightly modified stock).

3) The greatest appeal of this project is the BEAUTY of the car design - this is going to be more of FORM over FUNCTION.... but if it can be done nicely the other way around then it would even be better.

4) Another appeal of this project is that the "limitless possibilities" of modifications for the end product - owner modification, that is.

With these 2 STEPS in mind... we can procede to

STEP 3 - CONCEPT GENERATION

I open the floor for design suggestions now for those who wants to join me in this project....

[ghosthunter]

thanks dprox for the info.

Actually, I also would like to make this some sort of an "OPEN SOURCE" sports car design. I wouldn't care if the big boys in the car industry will copy/imitate the work.

The basic concept of the "concept" is in error. You might be able to do open source design in computers but you cannot do the same thing in cars. You have to focus a car's purpose and design to achieve it's goals, otherwise this will come out as another "do-everything" vehicle which cannot do any of them well.

[wildthing]

Ok will start doing some measurements when I get back to manila...

[Auto_Xer]

sir don buggy...

how can we contact him/her?

I think he went somewhere down south or something.
I'll try to ask around with the guys who've driven his cars in competition.

[ehnriko]

Hi guys,

Pwedeng Makigulo....

Here's my 1985 concept called the ULTRAMAX which I have submitted to VOLVO in 1990 when I was applying there.

VOLVO was interested at first but they thought I was a Japanese Industrial Spy who just tried to get inside their plant. So they turned down my apllication and advised me to do this project in the Philippines... and they swore not to copy it. But - I got their attention then. At any rate, the car designer whom I presented it was Otto - he is the designer of the Volvo dropnose sedan sold only in the Netherlands in 1993 onwards.

I made this concept when I was still under the mentorship of Oby Mapua when we were busy designing HPV's (Human Powered Vehicles that goes over 60mph).



THEORITICAL TOP SPEED: 320 kph
DRIVETRAIN: Semi Automatic 15 speed (5 speed MT/ inducted gear over 4 speed AT)
ENGINE: Volvo Penta or 4AGE EFi (Silver Top)
COOLING SYSTEM: Primary and Secondary Radiators with sensor controlled side louvers air intake ducts.
LUBRICATION: Treated Motor Oil
WHEELS: 18" Speed Rated Tyres
BODY CONSTRUCTION: Integrated Subframe/ Space Framed - Unitized SKins.
BRAKES: 4 wheel ventilated disk brakes

SPECIAL FEATURE: Cabin forward design, Fully Geometric Body construction, all flat surfaced glass windscreens, formula 1 config.

[tanoshi_637]

[SIZE="1"]This post was copied from Innovative/Concept Cars thread. - Mod[/SIZE]

Here's one originally was a concept car built by seven people in their backyard at Sommerset UK. The chassis was then adapted by Wrightspeed and mounted an electric motor, which then beats ferrari & porshe in a quatermile drag.

Good Idea for the wanna be local car manufacturer.
There are pros and cons, syempre.
Pero I bet this would sell like hot potatoes




As featured in TopGear(gas)
YouTube - Top Gear: Atom

From UK now being built in the US (hindi ko na makita yung video ng production plant nila mismo eh, galing ang simple lang)
YouTube - Ariel Atom on Discovery


Dont miss this one! Ariel Atom X-1 (modified electric version)
YouTube - Electric car vs Ferrari

[bioD]

about vehicles with new designs....

will LTO ever allow the registration of vehicles with new designs, new power sources???

examples....

registration of ATVs/Quads is an issue with LTO. Some people even say that there is a memo released by LTO stating that ATVs cannot be registered.

although some owners are still able to register their ATVs, they still can't use these vehicles in public roads such as EDSA or else the MMDA/police will pull them over.
the reason, ATVs have four wheels like cars, but the rider sits on it like on the motorcycle. and now, i think they're confused with its classification. what a dumb reason.
you can only travel with your ATV if you know the "right" people (people with high positions in the government).

what if the vehicle is a two-wheeler where the rider's position in like sitting on a car seat??? (there are motorcycles like those in Japan)


another is the registration of electric vehicles. In most developed countries, purely electric vehicles are street legal... but in here, most aren't.
Isn't the e-Jeepney limited only to the Makati area?
What I see here is that it'll probably take our country over ten years or maybe even more before drastic changes take place in the transport sector.

Does anyone here know anyone whom we can talk with to help us with such issues?
LTO chief? senators? the president?

[bioD]

about using chains in car transmissions, very possible.

the transfer cases used for four wheel drive vehicles have chains in them. think of the torque these 4WD vehicles have!

[dprox]

[SIZE="1"]about vehicles with new designs....

will LTO ever allow the registration of vehicles with new designs, new power sources???

examples....

registration of ATVs/Quads is an issue with LTO. Some people even say that there is a memo released by LTO stating that ATVs cannot be registered.

although some owners are still able to register their ATVs, they still can't use these vehicles in public roads such as EDSA or else the MMDA/police will pull them over.
the reason, ATVs have four wheels like cars, but the rider sits on it like on the motorcycle. and now, i think they're confused with its classification. what a dumb reason.
you can only travel with your ATV if you know the "right" people (people with high positions in the government).

what if the vehicle is a two-wheeler where the rider's position in like sitting on a car seat??? (there are motorcycles like those in Japan)

another is the registration of electric vehicles. In most developed countries, purely electric vehicles are street legal... but in here, most aren't.
Isn't the e-Jeepney limited only to the Makati area?
What I see here is that it'll probably take our country over ten years or maybe even more before drastic changes take place in the transport sector.[/SIZE]

Does anyone here know anyone whom we can talk with to help us with such issues?
LTO chief? senators? the president?

The Committee on Transportation in the 14th Congress
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Telephone no. 9315001 local 7134, 9514320
Committee Secretary - Ms. Antonia G. Gil

The Committee Chairman is Rep. Monico O. Puentevella from the Lone District of Bacolod City.



See also the Roster of Committee Members

[safeorigin]

oooh, a prospective designer as well, eh? interested in joining us BioD?

[donbuggy]

A website about a home-built mid-engine Mini. It also has design tips.

http://www.kimini.com/

[wildthing]

^^uy.... thanks