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    #61
    Safety regulations are adaptive and conforming. Safety is not a cut and paste apply to all guidelines, each industry has its own safety protocol that maybe unsafe in one industry but applicable in another. There are countries who allows the use of hazard lights and other countries who doesn't, all of them also have experts to brag. what differentiate us from these countries is that they have government traffic guidelines that covers the use of hazard lights and we dont have one. So in what basis does this local experts and defensive driving instructors have to tell us not to use the hazard lights? NONE

    If one of these experts got his training in EU, he will say its not good to use, because that is what he is taught. If he got his training in the East Coast US, then he will say its allowed, if in the mid west, he will say its not allowed in cars but mandatory for trucks.

    And what is ironic is there is only one reason why they don't allow it, its because it conflicts with the turn lights, the driver behind cant discerned if the car in hazard will turn left or right. What really amazing is in all defensive driving seminars I have been, its always stated, if a moving hazard vehicle is in front of you, you should always give space, increase your distance and be alert and you are not to pass the said vehicle. Remember that drivers turn on their hazard lights because they surmised they are a hazard in the road and to the other drivers. The hazard lights is not a morse code that tells you what the real cause of the emergency, so that is why space and distance should be given. But in the Phil, most likely the advise of this so called experts is to pass the moving car in hazard, otherwise why would they concern themselves of the turn lights. In the first place how would a driver in a car in trouble will warn his fellow motorist that something is wrong or to go bad and he could be endangering you if he is not to use his hazard lights? A megaphone or a message plate at the rear windshield maybe or a quick release button for the spare tire to warn you away?

    I can go on and on and on and on... at the end of the day, in the absence of local contradicting law or guidelines, if it will give you an added notch of safety, use it.



    How I wish the kuligligs have hazard lights at night...
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    #62
    Quote Originally Posted by OTEP View Post
    I drive on the NLEX everyday and rule of thumb is faster vehicle should go first. So even if Im on the fastlane with my lights and sirens on and I see a faster vehicle closing in from behind, I still yield. Ganun lang naman, and don't hog the overtaking lane if the vehicle behind you has already signaled his intention to pass (headlamps flashed, minsan bumubusina na). If you cannot yield immediately, at least show your intention to yield by flashing your right turn signals then yield when safe to do so.

    Walang written rule diyan. This is more a matter of ethics and courtesy na po.
    Yes road courtesy will make the motoring experience more pleasant. Share the road ang magandang frame of mind. Ganyan din ako sa NLEX, laging abang sa rearview mirror if I am on the fastlane. When I see an oncoming fast vehicle, signal right agad then yield when safe. Balik sa fastlane uli pag wala na rumaragasa, and yes, I always have my headlights on during longdrives. Nakasanayan ko na yan as it was required when I lived overseas.


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    #63
    Quote Originally Posted by glenn_duke View Post
    Safety regulations are adaptive and conforming. Safety is not a cut and paste apply to all guidelines, each industry has its own safety protocol that maybe unsafe in one industry but applicable in another. There are countries who allows the use of hazard lights and other countries who doesn't, all of them also have experts to brag. what differentiate us from these countries is that they have government traffic guidelines that covers the use of hazard lights and we dont have one. So in what basis does this local experts and defensive driving instructors have to tell us not to use the hazard lights? NONE

    If one of these experts got his training in EU, he will say its not good to use, because that is what he is taught. If he got his training in the East Coast US, then he will say its allowed, if in the mid west, he will say its not allowed in cars but mandatory for trucks.

    And what is ironic is there is only one reason why they don't allow it, its because it conflicts with the turn lights, the driver behind cant discerned if the car in hazard will turn left or right. What really amazing is in all defensive driving seminars I have been, its always stated, if a moving hazard vehicle is in front of you, you should always give space, increase your distance and be alert and you are not to pass the said vehicle. Remember that drivers turn on their hazard lights because they surmised they are a hazard in the road and to the other drivers. The hazard lights is not a morse code that tells you what the real cause of the emergency, so that is why space and distance should be given. But in the Phil, most likely the advise of this so called experts is to pass the moving car in hazard, otherwise why would they concern themselves of the turn lights. In the first place how would a driver in a car in trouble will warn his fellow motorist that something is wrong or to go bad and he could be endangering you if he is not to use his hazard lights? A megaphone or a message plate at the rear windshield maybe or a quick release button for the spare tire to warn you away?

    I can go on and on and on and on... at the end of the day, in the absence of local contradicting law or guidelines, if it will give you an added notch of safety, use it.



    How I wish the kuligligs have hazard lights at night...

    Remember that drivers turn on their hazard lights because they surmised they are a hazard in the road and to the other drivers. - oh diba ang liwanag. Umulan lang naging hazard na kotse sa daanan? Wth?!

    Again your HL and backlights are enough. Baka naman malabo na mata mo kaya hindi ka na makakita sa heavy downpour, aba hindi hazard light kelangan mo. Hehehe


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    It irritates me that whenever there is a heavy downpour, drivers start to turn on their hazard lights. Parang automatic na.

    It makes me dizzy when there is a heavy downpour, water all over your windshield, wiper is going up and down and the last thing I wanna see are those freaking blinking yellow lights all over the road yet I could see them very clearly. Then to make matters worse, some of them can't even stay on their lanes, may matulin, may mabagal. Ang gulo and sobrang nakaka hilo. Mas grabe pa kung nag stop ang traffic, nasa harapan mo itong sangkatutak na vehicles na naka hazard lights. That is why for me, I just follow those who don't turn on their hazard lights and steady lang ang takbo kasi mas hazardous pa sakin ung mga naka on ang hazard lights. It's like the message being sent to me is "Don't follow me, I am very hazardous on the road. Change lanes now." Instead of sending a message to other drivers that there is a car in front of you.

    There was a case in Commonwealth Ave that I saw and good thing I was on another lane. Magkakasunod sila on a heavy downpour and as usual on ulit ang mga hazard lights. May mga hindi nga naka on ang lights so off lahat ng HL's and Back/Tail Lights, hazard light nalang. Kaso meron pala sa lane na yon na naka hazard na stalled vehicle. Muntikan na nilang matumbok. Bakit? Kasi akala nila umaandar lang ng mabagal na naka hazard kaso palapit na sila ng palapit, tunay na palang hazard ung car kasi tumirik. Ngayon di na nila ma differentiate ang tunay na hazard sa hindi kasi parepareho silang naka hazard. Sabay biglang swerve na sila sa magkaka ibang lanes.

    Now by turning on their hazard lights, what was their purpose? To warn other drivers na baka hindi sila makita? BS! Ang bibilis nilang nagsilipat sa iba't ibang lanes nung biglang nag sudden brake ung car sa harap nila. Yan ba ang hindi nila makita ang nasa front nila? It just shows na nakikigaya lang sila or may nag turo lang sa kanila niyan na ganyan ang gagawin pag malakas ang ulan.

    Kaya yang mga drivers na nago on ng hazard lights nila sa heavy downpour, for me they are more hazardous not because I CAN'T see them but more of I CAN see them.

    I find it acceptable for a driver to turn on his hazard lights on a heavy downpour if the driver knows that his tail lights are busted. Meron kasing mga instances na nakikita ko pag gabi where a car doesn't have tail lights and when the driver hits the brakes, ung 3rd brake light lang din ang may ilaw. Yan pwede ko pang tanggapin at least the driver made sure na makikita padin siya ng nasa likod niya but he/she used his/her hazard lights kasi busted ang Back/tail lights niya.

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    #65
    siguro nga malabo lang mata ko, pero di ko naman nagha-hazard pag nakikita ko pa kung anung klaseng sasakyan mga 30m sa harap. kapag yung ilaw na lang sa likod ang nakikita ko, na pag rear lights di mo talaga maaninag ayun i-activate ko na mas kita sasakyan mga 100m ahead yung flasher kesa sa red rear lights lang, di din papalit ng lane or overtaking, predictable slow manner.

    kuha ko na gripes nyo may napanood ako sa youtube about this in metro manila settings, but the visibility seems good enough not to use it. can't read intentions in changing lane of others wile it is on, I think I get it.

    ito setting sa Pilipinas, hindi sya violation.

    pede sa libing, vip convoy, motorcade, parade sa fieasta, emergency, student driving meron akong nakita nyan driving school pa...

    Siguro use it with consideration to others, naiirita kasi yung iba.

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    #66
    Using the flasher during bad weather is really a bad practice. Using flashers on the highway is actually the main caveat of the author. In these situations, headlamps are more than enough. Hazard lights should only be used if you are stationary or going at a crawling pace.

    The simple fact is even in the worst weather in terms of rainfall, we can still see up to 100m in front. Of course normally we can see more than that so we adjust our speed and make our lane changes minimal. If you cant see more than a 100 meters, you shoudnt even be going at the minimum speed limit of 60.

    The other issue is fog, when its extremelly foggy, you can use your hazard lights since your probably going less than 5kph and can barely see past your hood. Once you have decent visibility, turn if your hazards and get back with a normal pace. Only once in my life have I seen fog like that, it was in tagaytay and i could barely see.

    So to simplify
    Massive downpour, still decent visibility = lower speed, use headlamps, no hazards
    Extremely thick fog, almost no visibility = crawl or stop, you may use hazards, fogs and headlamps

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    #67
    Dami nyo reklamo eh. Punta kayo sa congress pa amend nyo yung ra 4136 para malinaw. Tapos dun na kayo mag debate hehe.

    Sa ford expedition nga yung turn light eh brake light din nakakalito din yun lalo na pag nag double brake akala mo nag blink din yung kabila

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    #68
    Eh kung baguhin na lang kaya configuration ng hazard/blinker. Like it will remain a hazard light pag naka on ang hazard, pero once you flick the switch to left or right eh magiging signal light sya, meaning flick left and the left light will continue to blink and the right light will turn off.

    Yun naman di ba habol natin bakit di dapat gamitin ang hazard dahil nawawalan ng silbi ang signal light?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yapoy86 View Post
    Dami nyo reklamo eh. Punta kayo sa congress pa amend nyo yung ra 4136 para malinaw. Tapos dun na kayo mag debate hehe.

    Sa ford expedition nga yung turn light eh brake light din nakakalito din yun lalo na pag nag double brake akala mo nag blink din yung kabila
    ah yes... american metal. ganyan na sila since the start of signal lights... and it doesn't seem to bother them. i wonder why... is it because their streets are wider? or their drivers are more disciplined?
    ano? congress? dekada bago may mangyari. dapat sa LTO na lang, para mas mabilis, at kung kailangang palitan, mas mabilis din.
    isang pirma lang yan sa LTO..

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    Quote Originally Posted by dr. d View Post
    ah yes... american metal. ganyan na sila since the start of signal lights... and it doesn't seem to bother them. i wonder why... is it because their streets are wider? or their drivers are more disciplined?
    ano? congress? dekada bago may mangyari. dapat sa LTO na lang, para mas mabilis, at kung kailangang palitan, mas mabilis din.
    isang pirma lang yan sa LTO..
    Umasa ka pa sa LTO, simpleng stickers lang umaabot ng halos isang taon bago maibigay.

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