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    #41
    How about the Pinoy driver's shameless penchant for "ako-muna-lagi" and "haharang-ako-sa-daan-wala-ako-pakialam-sa-iba"?

    Then again, take out the word 'driver' and it still holds true.

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    In all my time driving in the Philippines, I have only encountered near-zero visibility (outside of Storm Signal Number Three conditions, in which you should not be driving... AT ALL) on the road a few times.

    Near-zero visibility means NEAR-ZERO. That means you can't see cars more than ten meters away. In those conditions, some states allow hazards, because it is really, really dangerous, and there's no place to turn off the road there. In the US, these freak conditions can and do occur, and can lead to hundred car pile-ups due to sudden heavy fog dropping on 80 mph motorways.

    You need the hazards then because you have traffic going a million miles an hour behind you and if you're far from an exit and have no hard shoulder to park on, you're screwed. And pretty soon, you'll be in a pile-up, and you'll be turning on those flashers anyway.

    But they won't do any good. Because near-zero is near-zero.

    I almost died, once, in Taiwan, riding in a car overtaking a logging train on a mountain road in the fog. Trust me, people... if visibility is near-zero, the only time you'll see the headlights (which are much brighter than flashers) of the car that's about to hit you is when the car is about to hit you. :ouch:

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    We don't have that.

    Instead, we have rain that reduces visibility to some hundred to fifty meters. In which case, you should slow the **** down, because rain that hard makes the road extremely slippery. But no, instead, people turn on their flashers and continue on going 80-100 km/h in the rain, blithely changing lanes, slowing down, speeding up, and acting like everything is normal.

    If you can see well enough to change lanes to overtake and actually... well... STAY IN THE FAST LANE... that's not zero visibility. Turn your damn flashers OFF.

    What I've done on those rare occassions when the rain came so hard I couldn't see is what everyone should do. Slow down. Turn on my flashers, and pull off the road. ;)

    Again: Flashers are for emergencies. They're there to tell people that you have a problem and you have to stop. Since the problem isn't your engine, you are obliged to stop on the shoulder or a side street, to get out of the way of everyone else.

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    Di puwede gawin rason: "kasi, yan ang ginagawa ng karamihan." Guess what? Ang karamihan ng tumatawid, nag-ja-jaywalk... ibig bang sabihin, tama yun?
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    #43
    Nasanay na kasi. If you tell a lie 1,000 times, nagiging totoo...sa mga pinoys.


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    mahirap din gawin sa express way with 2 lanes at sa makikitid na shoulder, ikaw ang magiging hazard pag ganyang lugar, pag may guidelines na sabihing mali saka pa lang magiging mali yung tungkol sa hazard lights.
    Theres no definite ruling in hazard lights, unless sabihin ni pnoy gaya ng wang wang.

    flasher in some countries 1 flash is to give way/acknowledge and 2 flash you are going pass, or vice versa cant recall exactly. meron din yata sa lto nyan, but not to abuse like reckless overtaking. madalang ko kasi gawin yan kasi di naman definite meaning sa mga karaniwang drivers, ito talaga bad habits na usually doon sa nag-aapura.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niky View Post
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    Di puwede gawin rason: "kasi, yan ang ginagawa ng karamihan." Guess what? Ang karamihan ng tumatawid, nag-ja-jaywalk... ibig bang sabihin, tama yun?
    wala namang guidelines to follow,

    kaya nga language nabago dahil sa karamihang paggamit ng ibang language.

    yung jaywalking salita palang kuha na, mali talaga yun may alituntunin sinusunod dito.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barako ba ma View Post
    Really? The Philippines has her share of zero visibility during the day? Turning fog lights daytime in most cases is just arrogance or unnecessary display of something.


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    It 2014. Lots of local companies (Shell, Coke, Victory Liner). have already adopted, "engine on, headlamps on" policy and there is nothing wrong with that. Some carmakers have already made daytime running lamps standard (using the depowered high beam filament).

    Daytime running lamps have been in use since the 80's and studies have shown that it can reduce the chances of a collision by 60% irregardless of weather condition.

    Other markets have also adopted a "wipers on, headlamps on" policy irregardless of time of day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrQ5 View Post
    sa nlex pa naging 2 lane at medyo madami ng sasakyan, mas safe mag hog ng konti sa overtaking lane kesa pabalik-balik ka, minsan pag di ka nag stay overtaking lane maiipit ka sa slow lane dahil halos 2-3 cars lang ang distance ng bawat car sa overtaking lane na nasa 110kph +

    may guidelines ba talaga lto sa hazard lights parang wala naman, naka 2 seminar nako wala ako nadinig sa 1st at upgrade restriction code. ito kultura ng pinoy sa hazard na tingin nila mas visible sa heavy rains, para saken ok lang tulad ng flashing ng headlights sa ibang bansa may code yan kung single or double flash, pero nasa pinas tayo at naging kultura na yan, at di naman itinuro ng lto at pamphlet ng casa yan kaya ok lang PINOY STYLE, parang sa ibang asean country busina ng busina. kung may ma-implement guidelines lto yun dapat magbago na.
    I drive on the NLEX everyday and rule of thumb is faster vehicle should go first. So even if Im on the fastlane with my lights and sirens on and I see a faster vehicle closing in from behind, I still yield. Ganun lang naman, and don't hog the overtaking lane if the vehicle behind you has already signaled his intention to pass (headlamps flashed, minsan bumubusina na). If you cannot yield immediately, at least show your intention to yield by flashing your right turn signals then yield when safe to do so.

    Walang written rule diyan. This is more a matter of ethics and courtesy na po.

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    #48
    Quote Originally Posted by leodawesome View Post
    9. Forever high beam peeps.
    10. Using "Cellphone" while driving, (very common)
    11. Horn Buzzer (akala walang bukas or tawag ng kalikasan at kailangan pumunta sa CR)
    12. Cutting Corners, (tamang gulang)
    13. Double Standard (double parking, alam na merong nakapark sa isang side, ipapantay pa talaga yung sasakyan lalo kung narrow road)
    14. Counter-Flow (not unless kung merong traffic enforcer to give you a sign to use the other lane)
    15. Not practicing a pre-drive inspection, (kaya maraming sasakyan lalo na sa gabi, yung mga tail light ay busted, at hindi gumagana yung brake light)


    About po sa Forever high beam peeps, marami po talagang ganyang driver Sir leodawesome, kahit wala naman sa Highway, may kasalubong na nga, hindi pa mag low beam...



    BTW: If ever na merong sasakyan po na naka high beam, hazard lights, at erratic ang takbo, PUV man po or Private, It means, Emergency po yan, either in daylight or nighttime.

    Nangyari po sa akin one time na binangga ako ng taxi, at since unpredictable talaga ang takbo ng PUV, (not all drivers ng PUV ay barmumbado) pero yung iba talaga ay walang paki-alam sa pag-mamaneho,

    Nag assume na isa na namang loko-lokong driver,

    pero when i found out na merong sakay na passenger na kailangan ng medical emergency, at nakiusap sa akin,
    without second thought, wala nang argument or discussion sa driver, pinasibat ko agad, dahil mas importante yung oras ng tao na nasa loob at kailangan i-sugod sa hospital..


    Lessons learned: Kung mabangga man ng sasakyan at emergency reason and nakita yung situation ng certain patient,

    Don't argue with the driver anymore or ask paano tong damage ng sasakyan, rather, give time and most priority na maka-alis agad yung sasakyan, dahil yung oras ay very important..lalo dun sa tao na kailangan ng medical attention.

    Ang sasakyan ay nag depreciate, at pwede palitan ng bago, pero ang buhay, one time lang, precious.

    And makiramdam din sa katabing sasakyan, kung typical driver ba, normal driver, sira-ulo, or emergency..

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrQ5 View Post
    wala namang guidelines to follow,
    Even if there are no guidelines locally to follow, there's proper procedure that is taught in driving schools and driving safety seminars.

    Klaro naman: Kung zero visibility: exit ka sa kalye kung saan puwede mag-exit at hintayin mong maging maayos ang panahon. Ang flasher ay senyales na kailangan mong huminto.
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    Kahit hindi pa law dito yung seatbelts... lagi akong naka-seatbelt.

    Kahit wala pang law tungkol sa mga child seat at tamang pag-upo ng mga bata sa kotse... naka child seat ang mga anak ko, at hindi umuupo sa harap ng kotse na may airbag (kung walang airbag, puwede ang mga mas malaking bata, pero dapat malayo pa rin sa dashboard.

    Kahit walang law, hanggang ngayon, tungkol sa tailgating, nag-iiwan ako ng distansya sa nasa harap ko. Simple lang... kung 100 km/h ang takbo mo... kailangan mga 300-400 metro ang layo ng nakikita mo, para kaya mong huminto kung may nakaharang sa kalye. Kung di mo makita ang kalye sa harap ng nasa harap mo... masyado kang malapit.

    Dati, puwede mo pang sabihin: "Di ko alam". Ngayon, alam mo na kung ano ang tama.

    Eh, di... gawin mo na.
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    Quote Originally Posted by niky View Post
    Even if there are no guidelines locally to follow, there's proper procedure that is taught in driving schools and driving safety seminars.

    Klaro naman: Kung zero visibility: exit ka sa kalye kung saan puwede mag-exit at hintayin mong maging maayos ang panahon. Ang flasher ay senyales na kailangan mong huminto.
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    Kahit hindi pa law dito yung seatbelts... lagi akong naka-seatbelt.

    Kahit wala pang law tungkol sa mga child seat at tamang pag-upo ng mga bata sa kotse... naka child seat ang mga anak ko, at hindi umuupo sa harap ng kotse na may airbag (kung walang airbag, puwede ang mga mas malaking bata, pero dapat malayo pa rin sa dashboard.

    Kahit walang law, hanggang ngayon, tungkol sa tailgating, nag-iiwan ako ng distansya sa nasa harap ko. Simple lang... kung 100 km/h ang takbo mo... kailangan mga 300-400 metro ang layo ng nakikita mo, para kaya mong huminto kung may nakaharang sa kalye. Kung di mo makita ang kalye sa harap ng nasa harap mo... masyado kang malapit.

    Dati, puwede mo pang sabihin: "Di ko alam". Ngayon, alam mo na kung ano ang tama.

    Eh, di... gawin mo na.
    Thanks Po Sir niki for the additional info, about the bad habits,

    "Buckle up For Safety" yan po ang 1st rule..simple pero life saving, kahit walang airbag...old tradition, pero life saver,


    16. Never ride a infant/toddler and young children in front, kahit naka-airbag, bad effects sa mga children, kahit naka-seatbelt pa yan...airbag(s) very fatal sa mga bata...


    Not all safety features has a good advantage/effect, laging may bad side effect..



    Safe Driving po lahat sa Atin Sirs!

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    Ano ba basis nung driving school to teach the proper use of hazard light if there are no guidelines from regulatory agencies like LTO?
    Sa US kahit may comprehensive traffic guidelines bawat state, iba iba padin ang guidelines on the use of hazard lights. In fact iba sa mga trucks and cars. So anong guidelines ang kinopya ng mga local driving schools?

    Ano ba ang hazard pose ng gumagamit ng hazard lights in conditions of sudden reduce visibility due to heavy downpour or fog?
    Last edited by glenn_duke; June 28th, 2014 at 02:25 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glenn_duke View Post
    Ano ba basis nung driving school to teach the proper use of hazard light if there are no guidelines from regulatory agencies like LTO?
    Sa US kahit may comprehensive traffic guidelines bawat state, iba iba padin ang guidelines on the use of hazard lights. In fact iba sa mga trucks and cars. So anong guidelines ang kinopya ng mga local driving schools?

    Ano ba ang hazard pose ng gumagamit ng hazard lights in conditions of sudden reduce visibility due to heavy downpour or fog?
    you won't be able to use your turn signals.

    or someone stopped on the side of the road with his hazard lights on will be mistaken for something that is moving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glenn_duke View Post
    Ano ba basis nung driving school to teach the proper use of hazard light if there are no guidelines from regulatory agencies like LTO?
    Sa US kahit may comprehensive traffic guidelines bawat state, iba iba padin ang guidelines on the use of hazard lights. In fact iba sa mga trucks and cars. So anong guidelines ang kinopya ng mga local driving schools?

    Ano ba ang hazard pose ng gumagamit ng hazard lights in conditions of sudden reduce visibility due to heavy downpour or fog?
    Why wait for guidelines if you already have advice from advanced driving instructors and safety experts already? Note... the few dissenting voices amongst the states (and these states are not infallible... note the major disagreements on speed limits, overtaking laws, lane splitting and etcetera) allow it in severe fog... on the understanding that in these conditions, you have to slow to a stop or a near stop. But flashers, again, are nearly useless in the fog. Not bright enough. The only thing you can see in the fog over distances is headlights, and again, from experience, that's barely enough. When conditions get to that point, you seriously have to get off the road.

    That's not what happens here. People turn the flashers on like a forcefield and just blithely drive on like everything is a-ok.

    If you put your blinkers on, you are signalling you are in an emergency and need to stop. You are distracting other drivers from paying attention to the road. Instead, they're paying attention to you, because they're waiting for you to slow down and stop. And your blinkers scatter light and make pretty sparkles and make it hard to concentrate on where those elusive road markings went.

    Common sense. If you can't see enough to continue on, put them on and pull over or pull onto the rightmost lane or shoulder. If you can still see enough to continue at 60 km/h, just keep on driving and leave them off. If the road up ahead is flooded and impassable, go ahead, put on your blinkers and stop. If the road ahead is flooded but passable, no need for blinkers, just go. When your engine conks our halfway through... that's when you turn them on again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A121 View Post
    you won't be able to use your turn signals.

    or someone stopped on the side of the road with his hazard lights on will be mistaken for something that is moving.

    You mean in situation of bad weather and you see a cluster of slow moving cars in front of you with their hazard lights on, professional driving instincts dictates you that you should overtake them?

    AFAIK slow moving cars with hazards light on in low visibility (not-zero) condition is not an invitation for you to pass. So what is the puss if you cant differentiate the turn light from the hazard light? In almost all cases, once the road condition or situation improved these drivers will turn off their hazard lights. And that's the only time you should be piss off if they change lanes without using their turn lights.

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    hazard lights in poor weather conditions:

    1. a. some tsikoteers posted you must NOT turn it on, (some countries do it, others you may: some US states, aus...)

    b. and you must pull over to the sideroad- very correct if the the roadside you will park and assess is safe
    - using it while in park in sideroad (most countries do it, some posted here it is unsafe referring to some safety expert?

    2. some tsikoteers in a heavy downpour of rain the visibility of rear lights is also equal to that hazard lights, and some pointed it is confusing because of changing lanes intention, (who the hell will overtake in that weather conditions, it is plain stupidity and recklessness all must drive in a slow manner- I assumes there's no argument here)

    some tsikoteers said that the visiblity of that rear light fade in the rain, and you can assess better the other cars with the hazard lights on- I'm one of this, and other veteran drivers I talked with, specially those small car rear lights.

    if you are slow enough to pose danger in other vehicles in a heavy downpour of rain SOME countries allow it, and get to the side of the road asap, if that area is safe.

    > this particular pulling in sideroad, MOST Philippines road infrastructures can not be done it safely, its just me...

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    When in a situation and in doubt, turn it on.
    In safety, greater visibility reduces risk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glenn_duke View Post
    When in a situation and in doubt, turn it on.
    In safety, greater visibility reduces risk.
    HL is enough if visibility concern mo vs signal lights. May research na akong nabasa dito. It is still safer not to use hazard lights while travelling for the very important reason that the cars in front and in the rear may be able to discern if you are going to make a right and left turn.

    Kung wala ka naman expertise dito or data to prove your claim, I strongly suggest you follow what is being taught by experts and defensive driving instructors.

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    consider this scenario:
    heavy rain with poor visibility..
    a sea of motor vehicles in front, with hazard lights blinking like christmas trees..
    personally, i find this view in front of me, very confusing. why? because i can make no sense of the direction they are moving in.. flashing hazard lights do not give direction of movement..
    if everyone instead used their non-flashing lights, then i could make more sense of their location and the direction they are moving in.
    our brains can make more sense (i.e., decide what we should do) when we perceive the direction our target is moving in.
    it is preferable to announce our direction of movement, rather than to blind the others with our presence.
    and yes, in reduced visibility, only the stupid will not slow down.
    Last edited by dr. d; June 28th, 2014 at 12:20 PM.

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    6. Given this set of rules, Pinoy still think how to get away with it or how to make reasons that they are right...lol

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    hazard lights is not blinding in heavy downpour of rains, as the lights will reduce its intensity by water droplets. yes it is blinding in normal rains and not advisable to use it.

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