5 Bad Habits That Pinoy Drivers Don't Even Know Are Wrong

[jut703]

i am just not sure if driving at maximum allowed speed gives anyone the right to hog the overtaking lane..

It's not. Ideally you should return to the middle lane after overtaking.

There are lots of articles all over the web of angry drivers/journalists complaining about people who hog the overtaking lane then say "i'm on the speed limit so it's ok"


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[OTEP]

the maximum speed allowed is the maximum speed allowed. you are not allowed to go over it, even if you are overtaking..
the innermost lane is the overtaking lane. but you are still not allowed to go over max speed when overtaking.
and it is not right to hog the overtaking lane if you are not overtaking. i am just not sure if driving at maximum allowed speed gives anyone the right to hog the overtaking lane..

Yung iba kasi sir feeling nila "fast lane" pa din ang overtaking lane up to now. Hindi na sila nag update.

And it is not the left lane hogger's job to enforce the speed limit. If there is a faster vehicle, just yield and let it pass. Bahala na speed enforcers ng nlex to deal with them.

[viper888]

It's not. Ideally you should return to the middle lane after overtaking.

There are lots of articles all over the web of angry drivers/journalists complaining about people who hog the overtaking lane then say "i'm on the speed limit so it's ok"


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Im not advocating hogging the left lane but.... during the rush hour, overtaking in the left lane means you could actually get stuck in that lane with very little chance of getting back to the middle lane..... so you end up hogging the left lane. You would practically have to force your way back to the right lane if you are near your exit. In the likely situation that you would have somebody flash you, you dont really have anywhere to go. Now those who hog the left lane in extremely light traffic is another story.

I think the rule of the left lane being the overtaking lane should require a minimum number of lanes, probably about 4. Three lanes is not enough if there are trucks.

[OTEP]

You mean in situation of bad weather and you see a cluster of slow moving cars in front of you with their hazard lights on, professional driving instincts dictates you that you should overtake them?

AFAIK slow moving cars with hazards light on in low visibility (not-zero) condition is not an invitation for you to pass. So what is the puss if you cant differentiate the turn light from the hazard light? In almost all cases, once the road condition or situation improved these drivers will turn off their hazard lights. And that's the only time you should be piss off if they change lanes without using their turn lights.

Sir, theres this lousy local ambulance company that insists on using hazard lamps while traveling with lights and sirens. We have tried to tell them nicely that despite running lights and sirens, they should still signal their intention to turn in the interest of patient safety and the safety of other vehicles on the road. But they never listened.

Along espana (separated by a center divider), we were travelling in opposite directions. He was heading towards recto, i was heading towards qc. I saw the unit approaching. The usual m.o. of hazards, and roof lamps (which, btw are in the wrong color of amber). we were crossing the maceda intersection at the same time when the idiot suddenly turned left towards me almost ramming the unit I was driving. He simply could have simply signaled that he planned to do a left on that no left turn intersection and i would have yielded.

Same thing happens with those hazard lamp drivers on nlex. I was on the slow lane, in a fully marked unit with some of my roof strobes on for better visibility. Not really driving so fast due to bad weather. Hazard lamp driver on overtaking lane suddenly decides to cut right into my lane so he can pull into a service station. It was a near miss. Again, something avoidable had he signaled his intention to turn.

[OTEP]

Im not advocating hogging the left lane but.... during the rush hour, overtaking in the left lane means you could actually get stuck in that lane with very little chance of getting back to the middle lane..... so you end up hogging the left lane. You would practically have to force your way back to the right lane if you are near your exit. In the likely situation that you would have somebody flash you, you dont really have anywhere to go. Now those who hog the left lane in extremely light traffic is another story.

I think the rule of the left lane being the overtaking lane should require a minimum number of lanes, probably about 4. Three lanes is not enough if there are trucks.

If vehicle behind is signaling his intention to pass and it is not yet viable for you to clear the lane, just illuminate your right turn signal to acknowledge that you have seen his signals and that you intend to yield once safe to do so.

We are on the nlex everyday. We have the lights, we have the sirens, we have the screaming fluorescent paint jobs. But we know what our vehicles are capable of, and when a faster vehicle wants to pass, we let them pass.

However when we are responding code 3 to a call and the left lane bandit is hogging the passing lane, we have to resort to calling out their vehicle make, model, and license plate and then ordering them to pull over and clear the lane (with expletives inserted just to make it more interesting).

[macsd]

It's not. Ideally you should return to the middle lane after overtaking.

There are lots of articles all over the web of angry drivers/journalists complaining about people who hog the overtaking lane then say "i'm on the speed limit so it's ok"


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I don't mind huggers of the left lane running at max allowable speed as i can take them on the rigth. What really irks me off are those who hug the left lane at 60-80 lang, putik ang sarap bangain And those who will park their vehicle on the left most lane simply because na flat. ang tatanga ng mga putong ina!!!

[Ry_Tower]

the maximum speed allowed is the maximum speed allowed. you are not allowed to go over it, even if you are overtaking..
the innermost lane is the overtaking lane. but you are still not allowed to go over max speed when overtaking.
and it is not right to hog the overtaking lane if you are not overtaking. i am just not sure if driving at maximum allowed speed gives anyone the right to hog the overtaking lane..

In the philippines you can go over the speed limit pero just for a few seconds to overtake a car. If may passing lane do it there, if wala or somebody is lane hogging at max or very near max speed, hayaan mo na lng imho. Outdated na talaga traffic laws natin. But just because something is not illegal doesn't mean it is okay to do it. Like improper hazard light usage and fast lane splitting by MC's.

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[OTEP]

I don't mind huggers of the left lane running at max allowable speed as i can take them on the rigth. What really irks me off are those who hug the left lane at 60-80 lang, putik ang sarap bangain And those who will park their vehicle on the left most lane simply because na flat. ang tatanga ng mga putong ina!!!

Somebody actually did that tire changing thing on the nlex last month and died. He was still dead on the pavement when I arrived at the scene. Another vehicle did not see him parked on the fast lane and rammed the stalled vehicle from behind.

[Monseratto]

Again... Traffic laws are mere suggestion... Following is optional. More fun in the Philippines.

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[Ry_Tower]

Again... Traffic laws are mere suggestion... Following is optional. More fun in the Philippines.

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Hahahahahaha

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[glenn manikis]

Nag enroll ako sa driving school way back 2005 pa yata. Pinag drive ako nung instructor along Quezon ave biglang umulan ng malakas so halos zero visibility that time around 4:00 pm so maliwanag pa. Tapos tinanong nya ako kung ano gagawin ko kapag ganun situation na halos zero visibility at nasa gitna ako ng daan. Ang sabi ko itatabi ko nalang yung car at hintayin huminto yung ulan. Ang sabi nya mag Hazard nalang daw ako para may warning daw yung nasa likod ko. So ganun ang naging practice ko kapag umuulan ng malakas at hindi ko makita yung daan. Until few days ago saka ko lang nalaman na mali pala yung ginagawa ko. Buti nalang may tsikot.com madami ako natututunan.


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same here din... medyo heavily tinted pa sasakyan ko... kaya once or twice ata nung super lakas ang ulan almost zero visibility nag hazard light ako.. pati nga nasa harap ko 15 meters away hindi ko na halos makita.....

but when kakaliwa o kakanan ako pinapatay ko ulit yung hazard.

na realize ko lang na parang mali ang ginagawa ko nang may time, may sinusundan ako na naka hazard... nasisilaw ako sa hazard lights nya...

then now ko na confirm na mali pala nagawa ko dati...

[Ry_Tower]

Kung zero visibility or less than 10 meters na lang nakikita mo, better if you just move to a safe side of the road and wait it out. Delikado talaga nasa daan ka. Daming mga sasakyan dyan palayado na preno, kalbo pa gulong. Accidents waiting to happen yan. Dagdag mo pa mga naka-motor na sususugod pero nakayuko kasi masakit sa mata tamaan nang ulan.

Itatabi ko na lang sasakyan no. Hindi naman aalis pupuntahan ko, puwede din tawagan na lang.

[cocoy]

for those with tints on their front windshield.. most likely visibility would be a problem in rainy conditions and night time driving.. kaya cguro nag hazzard nalang. when i see those cars,, i tell myself mai tanga na naman nga driver.

[funkeemunkee]

Kung hirap sa zero visibility, common sense lang siguro at tumabi na muna, magpatila muna. Common sense will get you far on the road. Patay na kapag di na marunong sa rules tas wala pa common sense.


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[falken]

Somebody actually did that tire changing thing on the nlex last month and died. He was still dead on the pavement when I arrived at the scene. Another vehicle did not see him parked on the fast lane and rammed the stalled vehicle from behind.

Masisira daw ang gulong eh. Di bale nang mamatay huwag lang masira ang gulong.:what:

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[zoomzoom]

Masisira daw ang gulong eh. Di bale nang mamatay huwag lang masira ang gulong.:what:

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Parang yung lumulusong sa baha na aalisin ang sapatos. Ok lang masira/ maimpeksyon ang paa, hwag lang ang sapatos. ;)

[MrQ5]

Kung hirap sa zero visibility, common sense lang siguro at tumabi na muna, magpatila muna. Common sense will get you far on the road. Patay na kapag di na marunong sa rules tas wala pa common sense.


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meron kasi gumawa nyan taga rito samen, ayun na sa sementeryo na, crushed by trailer truck. Yung iba naman nasasagasaan sasakyan, ewan ko lang kung may sakay. hindi safe sa sideroad lalo na pag open highways or express way better find nearest gas station.

[niky]

Stopped for what? Because it was raining or because they had a flat? Big difference there.

And yes, it is not safe to stop on the highway. You have to make it to the next emergency bay or gas station. If there's a grassy shoulder beyond the emergency lane, stop there.

the maximum speed allowed is the maximum speed allowed. you are not allowed to go over it, even if you are overtaking..

Your speedometer is not accurate. Not even close. Most speedometers are off by 5-10 km/h. And even if you have GPS (which, depending on the update frequency of your GPS unit and the accuracy of your antenna, is also not really that accurate), you do not know if the guy behind you has an accurate speedometer or GPS. To him, you may be left-lane hogging at just 90 km/h.

If you are in the overtaking lane and someone faster is behind you, proper etiquette is to pull aside or signal your intent to pull aside after you finish overtaking so he won't try to overtake you on the right.

So in what basis does this local experts and defensive driving instructors have to tell us not to use the hazard lights? NONE

So, if there is no law that you should air down your tires when going off-road to prevent a puncture... you shouldn't do it?

And if there is no law stating that you should replace your tires when your tread is below 4/32", you shouldn't do it?

The absence of a local law doesn't change best practice. Neither does the presence of a dissenting law in limited areas... the correct interpretation of which has already been explained to you. Zero-visibility in fog is much different from limited visibility in the rain

If you don't want to listen to explanations, go ahead, but don't pretend we're pulling this stuff out of thin air.

And what is ironic is there is only one reason why they don't allow it, its because it conflicts with the turn lights, the driver behind cant discerned if the car in hazard will turn left or right.

Wrong. It is because it sends mixed signals to other drivers, who will hyperfocus attention on you, because they think you have an emergency... which takes their attention away from the road.

But in the Phil, most likely the advise of this so called experts is to pass the moving car in hazard, otherwise why would they concern themselves of the turn lights.

Where have any of the experts said that you should attempt to overtake other motorists in low visibility conditions? Refer to my last few posts... low visibility? Slow down. Near-zero visibility, get off the road.

Turn signals are important because they tell you if the vehicle in front will be slowing down in your path, changing lanes, merging or pulling off.

I can go on and on and on and on... at the end of the day, in the absence of local contradicting law or guidelines, if it will give you an added notch of safety, use it.

It doesn't. Oh, I'm pretty sure holding your horn down also gives you an added notch of safety, because everybody knows where you are... who cares if they can't concentrate on where everyone else is, right?

Also, listen to this guy:

Sir, theres this lousy local ambulance company that insists on using hazard lamps while traveling with lights and sirens. We have tried to tell them nicely that despite running lights and sirens, they should still signal their intention to turn in the interest of patient safety and the safety of other vehicles on the road. But they never listened.

Since he's a trained emergency responder. Pero, siguro... since walang law, wala siyang basis as an "expert" to tell us what best practice is, right?

[glenn_duke]

So, if there is no law that you should air down your tires when going off-road to prevent a puncture... you shouldn't do it?
And if there is no law stating that you should replace your tires when your tread is below 4/32", you shouldn't do it?
The absence of a local law doesn't change best practice. Neither does the presence of a dissenting law in limited areas... the correct interpretation of which has already been explained to you. Zero-visibility in fog is much different from limited visibility in the rain

If you don't want to listen to explanations, go ahead, but don't pretend we're pulling this stuff out of thin air.

How can you say its "the best practice" and "correct interpretation" when its not sanctioned. No guidelines? It's from thin air.

Comparing that from tire threads? Tire makers have guidelines when the thread of their tire needs replacement.
While local application of hazard lights has none.

Comparing that from tire pressure? Your vehicle has guideline for proper tire inflation, its in the auto users manual and at the sticker at the inner side of the drivers door.
While local application of hazard lights has none.

Zero visibility in fog and low visibility in rains, they both sound different to you, but what you miss is they have one common denominator and that is "unsafe condition". Unsafe condition when ignored, KILLS.

Perennial interview lines of drivers involved in accidents " Sorry po sir , hindi ko kayo nakita , madilim kasi, maulan kasi, hindi po kumagat brake ko, madulas po daan" etc..

Wrong. It is because it sends mixed signals to other drivers, who will hyperfocus attention on you, because they think you have an emergency... which takes their attention away from the road.

Where have any of the experts said that you should attempt to overtake other motorists in low visibility conditions? Refer to my last few posts... low visibility? Slow down. Near-zero visibility, get off the road.

Turn signals are important because they tell you if the vehicle in front will be slowing down in your path, changing lanes, merging or pulling off.

Your bashing the use of hazard lights as an excuse for not knowing on how to properly react when you see one.

Refer to my last few posts, hazard lights dont talk, dont expect the driver to follow what you think he should do, because you dont know the nature of the hazard, so just be aware , exercise caution and stop bitching. Who knows, the driver is probably just having an orgasm from a bj.

If the hazard lights annoys you, then it serve its intended purpose.

Since he's a trained emergency responder. Pero, siguro... since walang law, wala siyang basis as an "expert" to tell us what best practice is, right?

So if there is an ambulance with flashing lights in a medical emergency service, what should a typical Filipino driver response be?

1. Assess if the ambulance is going to turn left or right by checking its turn lights.
2. Assess if the ambulance is in the direction I am heading so I can follow it and spare me from traffic.
3. Assess if it I can beat it in the intersection and spare me the trouble of waiting for it to pass.
4. Or act like I am from Mars, by giving way and stopping my vehicle out of its path.


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An added visibility will not harm you , but may save your life.

[niky]

How can you say its "the best practice" and "correct interpretation" when its not sanctioned. No guidelines? It's from thin air.

Again, there's a difference between no local guidelines and no guidelines. Tell me... do you believe local guidelines make any sense? I hope I don't have to repeat that line again.

Comparing that from tire threads? Tire makers have guidelines when the thread of their tire needs replacement.
While local application of hazard lights has none.

Tire makers tell you to replace when you hit the wear marker. Which is the legal minimum in some places. That's 1.6mm. Best practice guidelines based on safety studies indicate a severe risk of hydroplaning at anything under 4/32 (around 3mmm).

Comparing that from tire pressure? Your vehicle has guideline for proper tire inflation, its in the auto users manual and at the sticker at the inner side of the drivers door.
While local application of hazard lights has none.

Show me where on your door sticker it shows the proper inflation pressure for rock crawling or driving through sand or snow.

Zero visibility in fog and low visibility in rains, they both sound different to you, but what you miss is they have one common denominator and that is "unsafe condition". Unsafe condition when ignored, KILLS.

So you're claiming that you should apply the same procedures whatever the emergency?

Perennial interview lines of drivers involved in accidents " Sorry po sir , hindi ko kayo nakita , madilim kasi, maulan kasi, hindi po kumagat brake ko, madulas po daan" etc..

So application of hazards prevents brake failure?

Let's get this straight... blinking hazards will not prevent a truck from killing you in traffic, when you're parked on the shoulder or when his brakes go and he plows through a dozen cars.

Your bashing the use of hazard lights as an excuse for not knowing on how to properly react when you see one.

Sorry, what again? I've been driving for twenty years. I've been writing about motoring and studying motoring safety and security practices for the past ten years. I know exactly how to react when I see a vehicle with hazards.

Refer to my last few posts, hazard lights dont talk, dont expect the driver to follow what you think he should do, because you dont know the nature of the hazard, so just be aware , exercise caution and stop bitching. Who knows, the driver is probably just having an orgasm from a bj.

So if we see people doing the wrong thing, we shouldn't express concern or correct them? Thank you. I can stop writing safety articles for the magazine now. Yup. Just let everyone keep on doing things the way they like.

And, dude, when you're doing that in the car, you should be parked. And definitely not signal to everyone else that you're doing... something.

If the hazard lights annoys you, then it serve its intended purpose.

So you drive around with your horn button taped down, too?

Distracting other drivers is not safe practice.

So if there is an ambulance with flashing lights in a medical emergency service, what should a typical Filipino driver response be?

1. Assess if the ambulance is going to turn left or right by checking its turn lights.
2. Assess if the ambulance is in the direction I am heading so I can follow it and spare me from traffic.
3. Assess if it I can beat it in the intersection and spare me the trouble of waiting for it to pass.
4. Or act like I am from Mars, by giving way and stopping my vehicle out of its path.

You're arguing with strawmen. Nobody here has ever said you should cut off and overtake ambulances or vehicles experiencing an emergency. Did you even read OTEP's posts? Because he's a trained emergency responder, doctor and ambulance driver.

Be Cautious, Life is Precious
An added visibility will not harm you , but may save your life.

Platitudes are fine, but driving smart can save lives. If not yours, someone else's. Thinking that your visibility is all that matters is the same line of thinking that makes people turn on their high brights at night when facing oncoming traffic.

Same principle. Make sure you're visible, but not a distraction to other drivers.

There is only one correct application for hazards in inclement weather. To signal other drivers you cannot see and are leaving the roadway.

If you can still see the lights of cars fifty feet away, turn your hazrads off, but leave your low beams and running lights on.

If you can see enough to continue down the road in the fast lane or middle lane at 60-80 km/h, turn your hazards off.

If you're overtaking in the fast lane, turn your hazards off.

If you can't see more than one second's worth of trvel distance ahead of your car, turn your hazards on and pull off the road.

Eh, di tapos. Wala nang away.