Toyota Innova Owners & Discussions [ARCHIVED]

[Jdex]

congratulations! you made a wise decision in choosing diesel. enjoy!

relax ka lang . . . kung hindi nanginginig yan, baka VVTi nabili mo! hehehe
its absolutely normal!

hahaha Thanks Enrico, medyo nabawasan na ang pag aalala ko sa cambio kong nanginginig, masyadong kasi akong loyal sa MT, akala ko wala masyadong difference ang MT sa AT ng Innova, kaya MT na pinili ko para mas mura, ngyn 2loy naiisip ko na sana nag matic na lng ako, anyway overall naman im happy with my Innova, naninibago lng ng konti hehe...

[olinortep]

May issue pa rin ang D4D. I saw a month old Innova being checked for Smoke and hard starting. Yun SA na kakilala ko nagsabi sa akin sa mas maraming nga raw ang pinapasok na D4D sa kanila kaysa VVTi for repair.
Talagang may issues pa. Swertehan lang talaga sa unit ng D4D.

Good Day Fellow Innova Owners!

Now lang uli ako naglog-on dito sa thread, medyo naging busy sa work dito sa Qatar,naisipan ko maglog-on kasi un Innova G D4D A/T unit namin na nabili last October 22, 2007 ay may maitim na usok. Di ako nagkamali, marami na palang may kaso ng maitim na usok na mababasa dito sa thread, nadala na sa casa 'yung unit namin 2 weeks ago pero ang sinabing ginawa lang eh change oil kahit di pa dapat i-change oil kasi 3,700km pa lang ang natakbo, dapat sa 5k pa ang due ng change oil, di naman sinabi kung nire-program nila ang ECU tulad na sinasabi ni SGT. Pepper, 6 days din sa Toyota 'yung unit, nawala naman ang maitim na usok nung mailabas sa casa, sabi ng taga Toyota itakbo lang ng malayo kasi sabi ng wife ko di naitatakbo ng mabilis dahil ginagamit lang panghatid sa school, naitakbo naman ng mabilis nung nagpunta sa Tagaytay kaso now may maitim na usok na naman, itinawag ng wife ko sa Toyota, sabi ibalik uli sa kanila. Whew! panibagong abala na naman!!! Swertehan nga yata sa unit, kasi yung unit ng pinsan ng wife ko almost 3 years na at un gamit ng bayaw ko more than a year na di naman umitim ang usok, pareho ding D4D A/T unit nila. Lagi sa Shell kami nagpapakarga ng gas, may kinalaman nga kaya ang gas sa issue ng maitim na usok or talagang may tyempo na may problema sa D4D engine? It seems, wala pang solusyon ang Toyota sa issue ng maitim na usok?

Panawagan po sa lahat ng may problema sa maitim na usok, magtulungan po tayo para malaman natin talaga ang totoong dahilan kung bakit 'yung unit natin eh may maitim na usok samantalang 'yung sa iba naman eh wala!

Nilo

[Mile2]

Panawagan po sa lahat ng may problema sa maitim na usok, magtulungan po tayo para malaman natin talaga ang totoong dahilan kung bakit 'yung unit natin eh may maitim na usok samantalang 'yung sa iba naman eh wala!

Nilo

I hope di mamasamain ng iba kung sumagot ako dito kahit VVTi owner ako

In my experience with Dieseil engine, if your exhaust is emitting black smoke, your injectors has problem. Its either running too rich or there's a lot of unburned diesel.

Changing oil will not help in getting rid of the black smoke, they (casa) should check/replace the common rail injectors or reprogram the ecu.

One time I chances upon a Fortuner in casa they were trying to eliminate black smoke....they were revving hard the engine for quite a long time and as if there was a defogging for mosquitoes.

[romel asuit]

my experience with diesel engines? ..you should run at least 300 km.upon break in(from casa).,my 2006 innova d4d.,from casa (toyota alabang)drive strait to pagasinan.,and back to manila the next day and drove to nueva vizcaya again the next day to complete my diesel engine break in,para mahasa ng husto piston and piston rings. until now never experience black smoke,problem with my innova.

[reiji0463]

You can check at ACE Hardware in SM Mall of Asia for the floor mats especially designed for Innova. I bought a five piece set for P2,300.00 around November last year when I bought my innova. It is light grey in color and does not slip because of the underside spikes and made of thick rubber material. Best value for money in my opinion. Yung ibinibigay ng casa na free e walang kuwenta, madulas kaya puede kang madisgrasya.

sir timo07, nagpalagay na ako ng floor mats from ACE Hardware in SM Mall of Asia kahapon pero inabot ng P7,500 less 10% discount. Covered almost entire floor from harap hanggang sa likod. Ganun din ba ung nakuha mo at P2,300? Per yard yung price tapos they cut it to fit innova, may pattern sila dun. It took about an hour, cutting and installation.
my hindi lang maganda:
(1) yung butas para sa lock ng 3rd row seats hindi ma-ilock kaagad kasi kumapal ang mat so ang ginawa ko pinalakihan ko pa ang butas.
(2) hindi ko napansin kagabi yung mat from 2nd row to 3rd row seats hindi nag overlap, may gap na around 2inches, siguro yun ung 10%discount
anyway ok talaga ang kapit at maganda ang material.

[Mile2]

(1) yung butas para sa lock ng 3rd row seats hindi ma-ilock kaagad kasi kumapal ang mat so ang ginawa ko pinalakihan ko pa ang butas.

Puede mo lagyan ng nut spacer yung hook ng 3rd row seats para umangat.

[reiji0463]

Puede mo lagyan ng nut spacer yung hook ng 3rd row seats para umangat.

ahh oo nga sir. thanks sa info sir mile2!

[dindy]

Help!!!! i know that a lot of the people posted here are very happy with the performance with your toyota innova.... i need anyones help this time for you or your friends might know the answer for my innova E diesel matic problems.

We purchased our innova last april 30 2008 and ever since with just i had to go 3x already just to have our innova fix because of too much BLACK SMOKE! my odo read only 700km when we noticed the smoke come out. This are the list of things/ procedure that the casa did with my innova:

1. first 1000km- as per factory sop, they rev the engine and said it maybe because of carbon deposits
2. 1375km- went back because of black smoke padin.... they rev again the engine and this time re programmed the ECU...wala naman daw nag rereflect na problem sa computer nila
3. 1680km- went back again and as per advice byt TMP, they had to change all fuel injectors and EGR of our innova.... observe nalang daw ulit
4. At present, after just 1 week and 1750 km odo meter reading.... mausok at black smoke padin.... sabi casa it might be the Turbo system na daw makina.... i was advice to rev it 20x again at baka lang daw hindi lang lumabas lahat ng carbon deposits after ilabas sa casa....

anyway, i'm just hoping that anyone who can read this or all you innova club members can give me a feedback and help on this matter...

i will really appreciate any help....

Thanks!

Din

[dindy]

Good Day Fellow Innova Owners!

Now lang uli ako naglog-on dito sa thread, medyo naging busy sa work dito sa Qatar,naisipan ko maglog-on kasi un Innova G D4D A/T unit namin na nabili last October 22, 2007 ay may maitim na usok. Di ako nagkamali, marami na palang may kaso ng maitim na usok na mababasa dito sa thread, nadala na sa casa 'yung unit namin 2 weeks ago pero ang sinabing ginawa lang eh change oil kahit di pa dapat i-change oil kasi 3,700km pa lang ang natakbo, dapat sa 5k pa ang due ng change oil, di naman sinabi kung nire-program nila ang ECU tulad na sinasabi ni SGT. Pepper, 6 days din sa Toyota 'yung unit, nawala naman ang maitim na usok nung mailabas sa casa, sabi ng taga Toyota itakbo lang ng malayo kasi sabi ng wife ko di naitatakbo ng mabilis dahil ginagamit lang panghatid sa school, naitakbo naman ng mabilis nung nagpunta sa Tagaytay kaso now may maitim na usok na naman, itinawag ng wife ko sa Toyota, sabi ibalik uli sa kanila. Whew! panibagong abala na naman!!! Swertehan nga yata sa unit, kasi yung unit ng pinsan ng wife ko almost 3 years na at un gamit ng bayaw ko more than a year na di naman umitim ang usok, pareho ding D4D A/T unit nila. Lagi sa Shell kami nagpapakarga ng gas, may kinalaman nga kaya ang gas sa issue ng maitim na usok or talagang may tyempo na may problema sa D4D engine? It seems, wala pang solusyon ang Toyota sa issue ng maitim na usok?

Panawagan po sa lahat ng may problema sa maitim na usok, magtulungan po tayo para malaman natin talaga ang totoong dahilan kung bakit 'yung unit natin eh may maitim na usok samantalang 'yung sa iba naman eh wala!

Nilo

Hi Nilo,

Ok na ba yung innova mo na mausok? ganyan rin ang problems nung samin which we bought just last april 2008. pinalitan na ng injectors at ng EGR pero upto now mausok padin at Black smoke!!!! swertihan lang yata talaga sa mga d4d engine coz yung sa bilas ko na innova G diesel 2005 model e walang ka problem problem....

i was advice na baka daw turbo system na ang problem...

hope you'll let me know kung naayos na yung sainyo or if you can text me thru my cellphone and baka pwede tayo magusap. My number is 0929-7988468

hope to hear from you

Din

[Innova_Boy]

I'm sorry to hear these black smoke stories from D4D owners...

In my own thinking, maybe Toyota people doens't have a clue either as to why it's behaving like that, and so they are chancing upon trial and error of known causes to rectify it...

Good luck and hoping that a solution will surface very soon to remove those anxiety of the owners....


WBR,

[Innova_Boy]

I'm sorry to hear these black smoke stories from D4D owners...

In my own thinking, maybe Toyota people doens't have a clue either as to why it's behaving like that, and so they are chancing upon trial and error of known causes to rectify it...

Good luck and hoping that a solution will surface very soon to remove those anxiety of the owners....


WBR,

[River_Reyes]

why do you have to an appeal to us VVTi owners to be more cautious in relating about the gaseous problems of Toyota Innova D4D engines?
..you just have to read around this forum and most of the complaints about this blackened smoking problem comes from the D4D engine owners themselves.
what you are imposing is to shut our mouth since we have nothing to do with it.

[Sandee__R]

I am a newbie here in this forum and needs to get some advice po sa inyo dito. Alin po ba ang mag okey kunin? gas or diesel version ng Innova? i would prefer matic po sana. Thanks po in advance.

[bulits]

Yes sir...MP3 CD po. Lahat po yata ng stereo ng Innova dito sa Pinas MP3 capable. Sa ibang markets kasi meron casette player lang. Dito po kahit J variant naka MP3 CD player. Di ko lang po alam kung yung mga high-end variant may USB port para sa mga MP3 player.

Kahit po high end variant ay walang usb port. Just bought my innova V last week, a/t, gasoline.

[roberto_minosa]

Kahit po high end variant ay walang usb port. Just bought my innova V last week, a/t, gasoline.

I see! Sana naman lagyan na nila ng USB port yung stereo ng upcoming facelifted Innova...nakita ko kasi sa head unit ng Honda Jazz (JVC) yung USB port...astig kasi! Mas tipid pa kesa mag-burn ng CD...

[roberto_minosa]

I am a newbie here in this forum and needs to get some advice po sa inyo dito. Alin po ba ang mag okey kunin? gas or diesel version ng Innova? i would prefer matic po sana. Thanks po in advance.

Mas matipid po ang D4D kaso merong mga cases na nag-uusok kahit b/new. Wala pong ganitong kaso (afaik) sa VVT kaso malakas naman sa gas. Consider nyo rin po yung presyo ng gasoline at diesel kasi naglalapit na...

[Sandee__R]

Thanks for the info, sir! but then..parang ang hirap mag decide which is the better than the other..

any other suggestions po?

Mas matipid po ang D4D kaso merong mga cases na nag-uusok kahit b/new. Wala pong ganitong kaso (afaik) sa VVT kaso malakas naman sa gas. Consider nyo rin po yung presyo ng gasoline at diesel kasi naglalapit na...

[timo07]

I hope di mamasamain ng iba kung sumagot ako dito kahit VVTi owner ako

In my experience with Dieseil engine, if your exhaust is emitting black smoke, your injectors has problem. Its either running too rich or there's a lot of unburned diesel.

Changing oil will not help in getting rid of the black smoke, they (casa) should check/replace the common rail injectors or reprogram the ecu.

One time I chances upon a Fortuner in casa they were trying to eliminate black smoke....they were revving hard the engine for quite a long time and as if there was a defogging for mosquitoes.

Sir Mile2, you are right about the cause of blacksmoke being unburned fuel. But this can also happen on gasoline engines that are quite old. For fellow Innova D4D owners who are experiencing this problem, this is really a cause for alarm, especially for those who already brought their units for inspection/adjustment/repair. It would appear that Toyota (or its technicians) does not know how to correct the problem!!! Natyempuhan nga lang sana yung iba. My odo is about to reach 6000KM and, Knock On Wood, hopefully, I will not experience any of the problems being mentioned here in this thread. My FC is okay at 10km/li, city driving.

sir timo07, nagpalagay na ako ng floor mats from ACE Hardware in SM Mall of Asia kahapon pero inabot ng P7,500 less 10% discount. Covered almost entire floor from harap hanggang sa likod. Ganun din ba ung nakuha mo at P2,300? Per yard yung price tapos they cut it to fit innova, may pattern sila dun. It took about an hour, cutting and installation.
my hindi lang maganda:
(1) yung butas para sa lock ng 3rd row seats hindi ma-ilock kaagad kasi kumapal ang mat so ang ginawa ko pinalakihan ko pa ang butas.
(2) hindi ko napansin kagabi yung mat from 2nd row to 3rd row seats hindi nag overlap, may gap na around 2inches, siguro yun ung 10%discount
anyway ok talaga ang kapit at maganda ang material.

Ang mahal na Sir ah?! Pre-cut na yung sa akin nung mabili ko at may logo pa ng toyota yung para sa driver side. It covers practically the whole floor area except under the front seats (driver and passenger). Iba na ciguro ang nabili mo. The trimmings and overlap are okay sa akin. Ang hirap lang hugasan, napakabigat nung material.

[Mile2]

Sir Mile2, you are right about the cause of blacksmoke being unburned fuel. But this can also happen on gasoline engines that are quite old. .

From what I know and from experience, gasoline engine will not emit thick black smoke/carbon as the diesel. Most probable case would be white smoke which is a sign of burned oil from oil leaks inside the combustion chamber.

[roberto_minosa]

All of you guys probably already know this, but I'd like to contribute...

Dun sa '73 Ford Cortina ni Lolo nung dekada-'70 kinuwento nya na naguusok ng puti pagkatapos palitan ng cyl head gasket na bocha...sabi nya tubig daw po pumapasok sa cylinders pag ganon ang usok...tapos walang hatak pag ganon ang usok tapos makapal!!! Sa mga bagong kotse, pag umaga umuusok talaga ng puti...moisture lang sa exhaust na nag-eevaporate...

Pag blue naman ang usok, langis ang nasusunog...palyado na manakbo..."loose compression"...
Pag itim naman, lunod sa gasolina ang makina...palyado rin! sinisinok...ganon po nangyari sa Box Type naman ni lolo...montik na ako itirik:D...

So baka ganon rin po ang mga pwedeng mangyari sa Innova...mapa diesel o gas...sa panahon ng Common-Rail diesel at EFI gas engines, pag may umusok ng makapal, siguradong tinotopak ang makina...

Wala po tayo dinidiscriminate dito...marami lang po sa atin na gustong tumulong sa mga sumasakit ang ulo sa sirang sasakyan...

Bottom line, mukang di alam ng Toyota ang gagawin sa naglulunod na D4D!!! naku pow...but mind you guys, di lang sa Toyota nagkaroon ng ganitong issue...may nabasa rin akong thread ng Isuzu Trooper owner na sumasakit rin ang ulo sa palpak na gawa ng casa mismo!!! Peace guys. Tulungan lang tayo dito.