Toyota Innova Owners & Discussions [ARCHIVED]

[BlueBimmer]

Seat
Until mid-2004, the Volkswagen Group warranted its diesel engines to run on biodiesel (from an accredited source and conforming to the DIN 51606 standard), but concerns over the sensitivity of the latest-generation Pumpe-Duse and piezo-injection fuel injection systems and the quality of the biodiesel fuels available have resulted in a change of policy. It now only warrants its diesel engines for a 5 percent blend. Owners of older VW Group diesels may find their cars can run on biodiesel - but must call their relevant customer services department and quote an engine code to check this for certain.

Skoda
Until mid-2004, the Volkswagen Group warranted its diesel engines to run on biodiesel (from an accredited source and conforming to the DIN 51606 standard), but concerns over the sensitivity of the latest-generation Pumpe-Duse and piezo-injection fuel injection systems and the quality of the biodiesel fuels available have resulted in a change of policy. It now only warrants its diesel engines for a 5 percent blend. Owners of older VW Group diesels may find their cars can run on biodiesel - but must call their relevant customer services department and quote an engine code to check this for certain.

Suzuki
No information available as yet - consult Customer Services and quote engine number.

Toyota
Toyota does not recommend the use of biodiesel or RME, either in pure form or in a blend, claiming that it affects engine reliability - especially the fuel pressure pump. Any engine damage caused by the use of biodiesel would not be covered under warranty.

Vauxhall
Vauxhall/Opel does not recommend the use of biodiesel/RME without modifications to the standard engine; use of such fuels will invalidate a warranty.

Volkswagen
Until mid-2004, the Volkswagen Group warranted its diesel engines to run on biodiesel (from an accredited source and conforming to the DIN 51606 standard), but concerns over the sensitivity of the latest-generation Pumpe-Duse and piezo-injection fuel injection systems and the quality of the biodiesel fuels available have resulted in a change of policy. It now only warrants its diesel engines for a 5 percent blend. Owners of older VW Group diesels may find their cars can run on biodiesel - but must call their relevant customer services department and quote an engine code to check this for certain.

Volvo
The current range of diesel engines, including the latest D5 diesels, are only warranted for a 5% blend of biodiesel/RME, but some of the recently discontinued diesel units fitted in the larger models are fully biodiesel-compatible. However, Volvo stresses that you should ring its Customer Services and check your engine code before using any alternative fuels, as by no means all these engines are suitable for biofuel use.

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[Innova G]

ok din pla ang innova VVti!!! tipid din pla. last question"s" na po:

1.) Ndi po ba kinakapos sa paghatak ang Vvti especially kung full load ka ng pasahero mas mababa ang torque ng VVTi compare to D4D?? and

2.) "long throw"(bsta yung malaki ang movement when shifting gear) ba ang kambyo(M/T) kumbaga e para din bang van, dyip when shifting gear?? Kc b4 may grandia kmi at parang kambyo ng delivery truck namin ang pagkambyo...censya na po kung medyo magulo ang tanong ko. d ko kc lam tawag sa ganun(long throw na kambyo) sana po magets nyo mga experts.

3.) May nabasa ako na sumusubsob daw ang innova M/T when shifting to 2nd gear, sa VVti b o D4d or both clang ganun?? kailangan piga daw agad sa gas to avoid this.

4.) Anu kaya topspeed ng Innova VVti&D4d ??

Thnx again!!

[lord]

Thanks for the info BlueBimmer....

[jimaroquai]

ok din pla ang innova VVti!!! tipid din pla. last question"s" na po:

1.) Ndi po ba kinakapos sa paghatak ang Vvti especially kung full load ka ng pasahero mas mababa ang torque ng VVTi compare to D4D?? and

2.) "long throw"(bsta yung malaki ang movement when shifting gear) ba ang kambyo(M/T) kumbaga e para din bang van, dyip when shifting gear?? Kc b4 may grandia kmi at parang kambyo ng delivery truck namin ang pagkambyo...censya na po kung medyo magulo ang tanong ko. d ko kc lam tawag sa ganun(long throw na kambyo) sana po magets nyo mga experts.

3.) May nabasa ako na sumusubsob daw ang innova M/T when shifting to 2nd gear, sa VVti b o D4d or both clang ganun?? kailangan piga daw agad sa gas to avoid this.

4.) Anu kaya topspeed ng Innova VVti&D4d ??

Thnx again!!

VVTi M/T ang sa akin and I may say na hindi kapos ang hatak nito. I've tested it with 7 adults (full capacity) with cargo sa likod and I am very much impressed with the power na binibigay niya. More than sufficient I may say coz minamani nya ang mga akyatan.

Yup medyo long throw ang 1,3 at 5 while short naman ang 2 at 4. Di mo na mapapansin yon. May solusyon naman just in case eh...lagariin mo ang shift stick para maging short throw ang lahat ng gear

Sa palagay ko hindi sa VVTi yun coz hindi ko pa na experience. Sa D4d siguro. Basta ang Caltex Silver, Petron XCS or Shell Premium ang karga...walang subsob. Naramdaman ko yun nung naka Petron xtra unleaded ako kaya upgrade ka lang ng konti sa RON.

Topspeed? Can't answer you dyan. It all depends on your guts!

[fortuner13]

to all 2.5G AT OWNER, ilan top speed niyo? kc fortuner ko 2.5G AT engine nasa 140kph at 2600 rpm lang as in sagad na foot ko sa pedal

[Innova_Boy]

WAs able to attain max 170kph along NLEX... pic below is only 160....






WBR,

[Innova G]

Wow ang tulin ng d4d ah!! talo pa most midsize sedan (except for honda cguro). Well considering na A/T pa ang kay Innova Boy..at bba pa ng rpm(3100rpm..correct me if i'm wrong) Lupet tlga!!

E anu kya kaya topspeed ng VVTi M/T?? nakakahiya naman kung mabilis pa ang diesel version ng innova kung nagkataon.

[BlueBimmer]

ok acceleration ng D4D but mas tulin sa most midsize sedans? like what? my cefiro before could reach 190kph no sweat, nauubusan lng ng daan..

[Innova G]

ndi ba luxury sedan yung cefiro and 2.4L na v6 makina nun. pag 1.6-1.8L ba displacement compact car ang tawag kc yun yung pinupunto ko sa mid-size sedan. sorry kung male naitawag ko.

Btw I'm still interested and waiting to know whats the topspeed of the VVti version of innova..pls state kung manual o matic ung ride nyo. thnx!!

Ask ko lng master innova boy...totoo ba yung pic na pinakita mo sakin as in yung innova mo ba yun??? bka kc kotse yang gamit mo kaya tulin.

[jimaroquai]

ndi ba luxury sedan yung cefiro and 2.4L na v6 makina nun. pag 1.6-1.8L ba displacement compact car ang tawag kc yun yung pinupunto ko sa mid-size sedan. sorry kung male naitawag ko.

Btw I'm still interested and waiting to know whats the topspeed of the VVti version of innova..pls state kung manual o matic ung ride nyo. thnx!!

Ask ko lng master innova boy...totoo ba yung pic na pinakita mo sakin as in yung innova mo ba yun??? bka kc kotse yang gamit mo kaya tulin.

No doubt na mabilis ang innova kaysa sa fortuner because of the body weight. Mas maganda pa ang aerodynamics ng innova unlike ng fortuner na binabangga ang hangin. Besides, hindi designed and fortuner sa arangkada kundi sa offroading.

Kung kaya ng D4D ang 170 kph at 3100rpm sigurado ako na kakayanin pa ng VVTi ang mas mabilis doon. Heto ang logic, bakit ganoon kaliit na lang ang mga linya sa speedometer at odometer? more or less may idea na kayo kung ano ang red line before umapoy ang makina. Less 10% ka na lang dun para safe.

[Innova G]

Well naisip ko lng na sa lakas ng torque ng innova "d4d A/T" e nakaya nitong umabot at that speed despite land and air resistance. tama b yun??

wala pa b may alam sa topspeed ng VVti M/T innova??

[andre]

I think its more important that you have quick acceleration NOT top speed. Acceleration is good for overtaking & beating the red light. Its not everyday you drive at 170kph going to work (and its kinda dangerous) .

[Innova G]

ok so which accelerate faster?? innova VVti or D4d M/T A/T.
Napaicp lng din kc ako na running at 160kmph e 3100 lng rpm ni innova boy. Just imagine kung ilan lng rpm nya running at 100kmph....lower rpm means less fuel consumption and for me na taga batangas at madalas lumuwas pamanila e malaking bagay yun since most of my travel will be in SLEX.

Let me change the question nlng...dun po sa naka Innova VVTi M/T ilan po rpm nyo running at 100kmph or 160kmph(kung napaabot nyo man)??? (now maybe this is a more sensible question)

[andre]

Most gas engines usually accelerate much faster than their diesel counterparts. Just look at C! magazine for reference.
And VVTi is faster than D4D on the C! magazine.
RPM doesnt count much bec. gas will always have a higher rpm bec. gas burns very quick compared to diesel.
But if you want fuel economy, Go for diesel engines.

[Innova G]

I really don't trust the infos given by magazines since most magazines just prints what the car manufacturers would state to them especially our local magazines. It's just like reading the brochure of the vehicle.
I still find tsikoteers' infos more reliable and credible in my opinion. :cool:

[jaeger]

Seat

Toyota
Toyota does not recommend the use of biodiesel or RME, either in pure form or in a blend, claiming that it affects engine reliability - especially the fuel pressure pump. Any engine damage caused by the use of biodiesel would not be covered under warranty.

Wow, this is an eye-opener. Could the use of local CME biodiesel be the common denominator and culprit on those D4D Innovas with problematic fuel pumps which probably averages say 15 cases per dealership?

This report was probably issued in Europe due to reference on RME biodiesel (rapeseed methyl ester) but nevertheless it's a Toyota CRDI.

I better stop using biodiesel on my D4D until this issue gets resolved. I've been using biodiesel on my D4D since August and so far still no problem.
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[Takumi]

Sayang ! nakabili pa naman ako ng 1 case ng Biodiesel sa Motorshow (Roxas blvd) and I've only consumed 3 - 500ml bottles. Damn!!!

[BlueBimmer]

we can't be absolutely sure Biodiesel is the culprit since Larshell said he'd never used BD on his D4D, BUT i'd rather be safe than sorry, so no BD for our D4D.

[Jiggs]

Yup based on the past threads and comments I think it's not a Fuel (diesel) related cause of this D4D problem. Based on Larshell input of having his ECU reset then went okay, INMHO it's the D4D ECU and it;s associated CRDI stuff. The particular problem was majority traced on D4D of Innova haven't heard complains on the earlier relaeased Hilux CRDI .

If the it's a Fuel problem then earlier Vehicle with CRDI engines should have problems by now. I have a friend who has a STAREX CRDI with almost 65K kms on it and no problem encountered so far.

[bongliza]

I remember there was a thread from one of our tsikoters where Toyota will have to reset the ECU in the parking lot coz di na talaga ma start and there it went okay.
I second the motion jiggs.