Toyota D4D engine woes

[boybi]

wow, it took me 2 days to read this entire thread!

i totally agree with mbt (parang familiar a ) and i feel sorry for those affected by the fuel pump problems.

[geo]

Hi themann,

But you only put one-half of the equation.

Fortuner 3.0 D4D = 1,573,000

Fortuner 2.7 VVTI G = 1,268,000

Difference in acquisition price =P 305,000

Invested and compounding at 10% annually for 5 years = P491,000

(Assumption here is that 1 year = 20,000 km therefore 100,000 km = 5 years)


Five years later:

Fuel Savings from using diesel = P 284,000.
Opportunity loss from buying diesel = P491,000


Total net loss from buying diesel 3.0 Fortuner and not the 2.7 VVTI G = P207,000

Hi Smeagol,

Adding to your analysis, savings from diesel should be compounded also via annuity assuming your savings will be invested . Saka yung difference ng market value ng diesel and gas innova (after 5 years) should also be considered.

[smeagol]

You're right Geo. And ARB too. And there was another poster who said that the maintenance costs (substantially higher for diesel -- more oil, injector calibration, etc.) should also be factored in. A real analysis will involve dozens of factors and not just simplistic analysis I posted.

[oldblue]

just read up on this thread now, some comments:


just my two cents, but don't get me wrong: i sympathize completely with car owners who have broken vehicles. we have a piece-of-****, always-broken, stalled-and-stranded-us-more-than-once wonder chevrolet in the garage too.

hehehe ganyan pa din ang chevrolet mo. mine (i inherited na from my dad) is the best. no problems na whatsoever and and I always look forward in driving it, and also my friends love to ride with me hehehe

the trade-off you must be ready to spend almost 10k for every 3-4 months PMS sa casa. this car cant be serviced sa labas like goodyear servitek or others, masisira talaga. maselan.

[geo]

i just came from a provincial trip kanina using my d4d innova....im really happy about the ride quality and engine performance and fuel economy. however, i fully support those tsikoteers who want to go to the media to complain about their d4d engine problems. toyota should get to the bottom of this ASAP

[vicoyski]

Guys, Hope you can help me supply the info. of tsikot members who already underwent D4D surgery. Would like to know odo when your fuel supply pumps failed.

strayWOLF -- entire CRDI system replaced July 2005 odo=?
larshell ------ entire CRDI system replaced Oct 2005 odo=?
lord --------- entire CRDI system replaced Oct 2005 odo=?
3kings ------- entire CRDI system replaced Nov 2005 odo=1,500km.
lexus -------- entire CRDI system replaced Nov 2005 odo=?
Gabby ------- only fuel pump replaced Dec 2005 odo=1,200km
bongliza ----- scheduled for CRDI replacement Jan. 21, 2006 odo=14,000km.

pls. correct if needed & if you can't recall odo, pls. estimate na lang. TIA

Partners, please confirm with your dealer if they did replace the whole CRDi system or not. I've talked to an officer of TMPC... Talagang Denso fuel pump lang daw ang may problem and is being replaced. Ang take ko sa kwento sakin is that a batch of faulty Denso fuel pumps got used during the assembly of the Innovas. A spring in the pump daw is the problem (may spring ba talaga yun?). I think that's the reason why they replace the pump only as the complaint arrives.

Some dealers are just hyping the replacement, claiming that it's the whole CRDi system that was replaced and costs P120K, when what was actually replaced was just the fuel pump. They must think that if you guys think na willing silang mag shell-out ng P120K to replace your CRDi system at no-cost to you, ay tatahimik na kayo... D'yan sila mali...

*larshell: Have your starter replaced and claim it against your Innova's warranty. Your starter's problem is obviously a consequence of the hard-starting problem caused by the faulty fuel pump.

[apexi_66]

It's good if it's just his starter ang nagkaproblema dahil sa hard starting. Mahirap nyan baka nagkaproblema na rin ang engine flywheel sa malimit na pauli-ulit na pag crank ng engine to start it.

[larshell]

*Vicoyski, I post the list(pics) of parts replaced by Toyota pls see/search the thread. Complete CRDi system is replaced.

*apexi_66, parang sa flywheel nga daw galing yong noise sabi ng mekaniko ng friend ko.

[apexi_66]

Larshell, malaki-laking trabaho yan kung sa flywheel nga ang problema. Better pasok mo na agad sa kasa. Baka kwentuhan ka na naman ng Toyota SA na walang langis kasi kaya maingay ang starter mo..hehehe Joke lang. IMO,D4D really sucks aminin man ng Toyota o hindi. VVTi is the best buy para sa akin.

[diesoline]

d4d tsikoteers, i originally posted this on this thread. check nyo na lang...