Toyota D4D engine woes

[patron]

When i got my 2.5G unit from my dealer, one of the first questions i asked the Service Advisor was : "do you recommend any specific diesel fuel type for the D4D engine?" His reply was a shot in the dark. Being an SA, they should have at least an idea what works with the engine and what's not. I expected a better and more logical answer. I shouldn't have ask...

[patron]

Mas matalino pa yata ang mga Tsikoteers, hehehe.

[andre]

I had a talk with a friend who has a problem with his 2.5G Innova. The engine would suddenly die after starting. The dealer said they would completely change his fuel line, injector & some mambo jumbo. unfortunately not parts are available. so in the meantime, the dealer just told him to rev higher after starting the engine so that it wont die after starting.

[nugundam93]

but what about the additional cost incurred by revving the engine higher? buti sana if the casa covers that or compensates for that...argh.

[BlueBimmer]

so fortuner D4Ds are spared from this problem?

[bongliza]

so fortuner D4Ds are spared from this problem?

I think they have the same engine as Innova except that some has 3.0L.....tama ba ako? Unless they will recall all D4D's 2.5L and change the engine to 3.0L, assuming only the 2.5L are lemons.... wish

[vicoyski]

There was one poster who complained of a similar problem with his Fortuner. But, it was a 2.5G... Di kaya it's only the 2.5L D4D that has this problem? I haven't heard of complaints from the 3.0V D4D owners, as of yet.

[beebs]

There was one poster who complained of a similar problem with his Fortuner. But, it was a 2.5G... Di kaya it's only the 2.5L D4D that has this problem? I haven't heard of complaints from the 3.0V D4D owners, as of yet.

informed my agent today that i'll be shifting from 2.5 d4d to 3.0 d4d. thanks tsikoteers for the much needed info. medyo nadismaya ako sa mga problema ng 2.5 d4d. i don't want driving a vehicle and anticipating that something might go wrong, and to think brand new pa ang engine..

[larshell]

informed my agent today that i'll be shifting from 2.5 d4d to 3.0 d4d. thanks tsikoteers for the much needed info. medyo nadismaya ako sa mga problema ng 2.5 d4d. i don't want driving a vehicle and anticipating that something might go wrong, and to think brand new pa ang engine..

If i were you mag gas engine ka nalang you will add more for the engine with the same tech. 2.5 or 3.0 for me the same lang maging trouble nyan.IMHO

[larshell]

I went today at Toyota QA and im very satisfied with thier service there unlike at toyota north edsa. Jimmy the one incharge wd warranty complains quickly entertain my complains about my Innova and quickly he get the scanner and he said im going to reset your ECU and scan the problem after that the problem is gone.One clik na ulit Innova ko but jimmy said this may come back after a couple thousand km. He make an order of supply pump and promise me the parts will arrive 2 to 3 weeks and he will call me the parts arrive earlier to his promise. Pag ganito makakausap mo mawawla ang inis mo.For now im observing if the problem will come back.The regrets are still here should have waited a year before i buy Innova.

[geo]

so far sa akin wala namang problema.... i just had my 10k kilometer check up and wala pa rin akong na experience na masama ang engine....maybe its because of the fuel... i use shell diesoline btw...

[patron]

same here. my 2.5G D4D never missed a beat, smooth start pa rin. I've already tried Caltex and Shell. Medyo pihikan lang talaga ako sa gas station, i choose the clean and well-kept stations with new pumps... pwedeng mas malinis yung kinakarga nila compared to the shabby ones.

*larshell... keep us posted on this problem.

[oldblue]

malamang nga sa gas station, dont fill up on gas stations na madami PUV's nagpapa-gas. malamang may halo yun. na-experience ko na yan before.

[attynorby]

I experienced it once... and thought about its cause. Now, I agree with those who opined that it must be the gas stations' quality of diesel. When I experienced the "trouble", I remember that I gassed up in another one or two gas stations (Shell or Petron, ata, but can't remember the branch; it was raining hard also). I am now gassing up at JETTI Macapagal; mura kasi; haven't experienced the same problem again.

[badkuk]

so long as you have doubts, kung pwede mo naman i delay ng konti ung purchase, why not?


what concerns me is that it isn't only toyota that's adopting CRDi technology. will we see an epidemic of sorts, with CRDi diesels dying on the side of the road?

[bitoks2004]

[QUOTE=badkuk]so long as you have doubts, kung pwede mo naman i delay ng konti ung purchase, why not?

Add lang. You can also change your order to the gas-vvti Innova. The difference between the price of diesel fuel and gasoline fuel nowadays is minimal.

[Innova G]

Anu po ba gas-consumption(km/l) ng Innova VVT-i?? kc po convinced na ko na bulok d4d so VVTi version nlng kaso bka malakas lumaklak ng gas ang VVti version. O nga pla M/T ang kukunin namin.

[leinahtan]

Anu po ba gas-consumption(km/l) ng Innova VVT-i?? kc po convinced na ko na bulok d4d so VVTi version nlng kaso bka malakas lumaklak ng gas ang VVti version. O nga pla M/T ang kukunin namin.

My Innova J VVTi M/T consumes 9.3kpl city & highway combined. See also Innova Fuel Consumption thread.

[lord]

* larshell
I went to P.Tamo and I explained my problem to them. They diagnosed my unit and reset or put the settings of those supposedly abnormal thru the OBD (onboard diagnostic) / laptop. My problem was also gone. I will observe it for a while. I also requested if they will replace my fuel pump since yun din ang suspect nung SA but they said na observe ko na lng muna tas replaced agad nila kung recur ung problem.

Now I wonder if biodiesel has something to do with this event. I didn't mention anything of biodiesel to the SA because I want them to find out the root cause and solve the problem themselves. The SA specifically told me that such adjustment is deem necessary sometimes and that the D4D engine is not bad at all.

Regarding the advise of the QA station SA not to use biodiesel, I persomally believe that they should not void the warranty because you use biodiesel. In the first place such fuel is recommended and now supported by the government. We have the right to get the government's help if tpypta will not allow us to use biodiesel. Also, toyota must first prove that such fuel also is not compatible with the D4D engine. Otherwise, they cannot prohibit those consumers that wish to use biodiesel.

The D4D for me is a good engine after all.

Few days from now, Im gonna try again using biodiesel. This is to find out what the culprit really is and test also the ability of Toyota to remedy such event.

[johnqpublic318]

* larshell
Now I wonder if biodiesel has something to do with this event. I didn't mention anything of biodiesel to the SA because I want them to find out the root cause and solve the problem themselves. The SA specifically told me that such adjustment is deem necessary sometimes and that the D4D engine is not bad at all.

Regarding the advise of the QA station SA not to use biodiesel, I persomally believe that they should not void the warranty because you use biodiesel. In the first place such fuel is recommended and now supported by the government. We have the right to get the government's help if tpypta will not allow us to use biodiesel. Also, toyota must first prove that such fuel also is not compatible with the D4D engine. Otherwise, they cannot prohibit those consumers that wish to use biodiesel.

The D4D for me is a good engine after all.

Few days from now, Im gonna try again using biodiesel. This is to find out what the culprit really is and test also the ability of Toyota to remedy such event.

Why even use biodiesel and push it?

Here's our stand:

"Fuel Sources such as Rape Methyl Ester (RME), Soybean Methyl Ester (SOME) and the like, collectively known as Fatty Acid Methyl Esters (FAME)are being used as alternative or supplementary fuel.

The use of these fuels in concentrations above 5% in unmodified vehicles causes a softening of seals and possible fuel leaks. Land Rover does not recommend or approve of any such conversions. Damage caused as a result of using higher concentrations of Biodiesel is not covered by Land Rover warranties."-- Land Rover Warranty Policy and Procedures Manual, May 2003.

J. Paolo San Mateo
Service Manager