Toyota Corolla 10th Generation Altis Owners [continued]

[jut703]

I wouldn't say that the gearing of the 4AT was awful. It's just that with only 4 gears to play with, you don't have much flexibility. Put the ratios too close like a city car, and your highway performance and economy will suffer.

Definitely, the facelift made the Altis so much better, across all of its variants. A part of me has always regretted getting a 2.0V over a 2.0S-L FD, but if it was the 2.0V with the fuel-efficient CVT and more useful features (1.1M and no AUX on the old 2.0V!), I wouldn't feel so bad.

On your 10 km/L city run, is that a 1.5E? I have a friend who's got a 1.3S AT that also gets just 10 km/L on her city runs.

[vinj]

On your 10 km/L city run, is that a 1.5E? I have a friend who's got a 1.3S AT that also gets just 10 km/L on her city runs.

Sorry as it wasnt too clear. the 10km/L city run is what i get with the Altis 1.6E m/t right now. My 1.6 J m/t also get similar figures 9-10km/L in the city. If the 1.6 6-speed can improve to 11-12km/L in city driving over time, i'd be fine.

I swapped tires last weekend though so FC may change a bit (overall diameter is slightly larger).



Lousy pic as i did not want to bring the car out of the garage anymore. But the 215/50R17s fit the rims and wheel wells better than the usual 215/45R17s a lot of guys use.

[renzo_d10]

Take note though that the 13km/L i got is mixed city and highway; and in this case, the city driving traffic i encountered when i used the car last week was not the usual salbahe bad traffic. 10km/L would probably still be the norm if i was driving in pure city traffic.

The City is a good car if you're getting the 1.3 m/t. Easy to drive, nimble and my only gripe was the clunky suspension (when it hits bad potholes) and the power door locks having no switch.

Yup, 1.3S MT naman talaga. I never liked ATs. And you're right about the suspension, when I drove the 1.5E last year and hit a hump.. the whole body frame literally slammed on the peak of the hump which was relatively low.

[jut703]

A litte bit OT, but sir renzo, kamusta yung performance ng 1.3S MT? I've only driven the AT version, and I can say that it doesn't feel like it's got 100 hp at lower revs. In fact, I feel that it behaves similarly to a 1.3L Vios below 4,500 rpm, despite the 15 hp difference.

[renzo_d10]

Wala pa sakin, jut. 1.5L AT pa rin naddrive ko, when I drive it hard mabilis naman yung response niya. Sipa agad to 4000rpm then yung speedometer patuloy umaakyat. Can't really compare sa Vios since I haven't drove one, yet.

[supermak]

Hi Guys, if you'd choose between a 2008 Honda City 1.3 idsi AT and a 2007 Altis 1.6G AT what would you choose?

What's the FC of 2007 altis 1.6g AT? Im still a bit undecided which one to buy. I manage to borrow money from my mom, my budget is around 400K.

[jut703]

Definitely the Altis 1.6G. The i-DSI City looks ugly to me, and I liken its body to a cockroach. The Altis is more spacious, larger, has more features, is faster, and looks a lot better. The only advantage that the City 1.3 has is that it's more fuel efficient. In AT form, it gets around 10 km/L in city driving, while the Altis gets about 9 km/L in the same conditions.

[vinj]

I'd agree. Except if you really want your car to be very fuel efficient, i'd go with the Altis as well or a Honda Jazz 1.3 instead of the City.

Update on FC again. 10.9km/L using Shell Super Premium. Mostly regular city traffic with a Manila to Pampanga Highway drive on a semi heavy foot, engine braking and speeds between 110-155kph. I'm switching back to Shell Regular Unleaded where i feel i got the best FC. I'm also verifying if the rim/tire change did any significant changes to FC.

Using GPS, the new tires (slightly larger diameter than stock) gave me a 2.5kph difference from actual speedo readings. Closer to actual speed as compared to the 4.5kph difference on the stock 15 inch rims.

[renzo_d10]

^ Vinj, what do you mean 2.5kph difference? Yung speedo mo sobra sa actual or less sa actual speed?

[vinj]

^ Vinj, what do you mean 2.5kph difference? Yung speedo mo sobra sa actual or less sa actual speed?

On stock tires, at 100kph on the speedo, i was doing around 95 to 96kph per the GPS. With the new tires, i'm doing 97.5kph to 98kph per GPS while my speedo reads 100kph flat.

Speedos usually read more than the actual speed.

[renzo_d10]

17s ba yan Vinj?

So sa 18s pala, maaring sakto lang noh.

[gearhead000]

Sorry as it wasnt too clear. the 10km/L city run is what i get with the Altis 1.6E m/t right now. My 1.6 J m/t also get similar figures 9-10km/L in the city. If the 1.6 6-speed can improve to 11-12km/L in city driving over time, i'd be fine.

I swapped tires last weekend though so FC may change a bit (overall diameter is slightly larger).



The 215/50R17s fit the rims and wheel wells better than the usual 215/45R17s a lot of guys use.

Sir Vinj, kumusta naman ang ride comfort with your new set. Di ba matagtag?

[cjv_justice]

17s ba yan Vinj?

So sa 18s pala, maaring sakto lang noh.

sasagot narin ako bro... IMO hinde narin naman magkalayo yung size nila ng kaha ng FD e, kaya mukhang swak narin 18s dito sa 10.5 gen.


haay kakainis mahirap na mag DIY detailing ngayon... biglang inuulan e.

[vinj]

17s ba yan Vinj?

So sa 18s pala, maaring sakto lang noh.

Depends sa size ng tire din. With 18s, they'll have to go down to a 40 aspect ratio i think so with a 225/40R18 tire, per tire size calculator, the actual speed will be almost similar to the stock 195/65R15 tires. The 215/50R17 tires will still have a larger overall diameter versus the 225/40R18s.

Sir Vinj, kumusta naman ang ride comfort with your new set. Di ba matagtag?

The wider tires will make you feel the road imperfections more but in terms of tagtag, no problem as the car still runs soft. Mine would feel a bit harder mainly due to the 34psi i run on all tires (matter of preference). Body roll decreased significantly over the tall OEM tires and what i'm looking more at now is how it will affect my FC.

sasagot narin ako bro... IMO hinde narin naman magkalayo yung size nila ng kaha ng FD e, kaya mukhang swak narin 18s dito sa 10.5 gen.


haay kakainis mahirap na mag DIY detailing ngayon... biglang inuulan e.

Hassle yung panahon. Maaraw the whole day then uulan sa gabi. Almost every day, madumi yung kotse.

[renzo_d10]

sasagot narin ako bro... IMO hinde narin naman magkalayo yung size nila ng kaha ng FD e, kaya mukhang swak narin 18s dito sa 10.5 gen.


haay kakainis mahirap na mag DIY detailing ngayon... biglang inuulan e.

Meron nga ko nakita medium silver 10.5 gen Altis na naka-Work XD9, tingin ko 18s yun tapos naka-drop.

Ganito pa yung kulay nung rims.. Gwapong gwapo, eh.

[vinj]

^I like the color of those rims.

Noticed also they already classify the Altis as a medium sized sedan. Mas mahal na tuloy LTO registration.

[cjv_justice]

^I like the color of those rims.

Noticed also they already classify the Altis as a medium sized sedan. Mas mahal na tuloy LTO registration.

oo nga e. kahit sa ibang detailing shop slightly higher price nila for this car. nyets!

[jut703]

I decided to drive the FD that was lent to me back to back with the Altis (which I'll be leaving at the casa for a repaint tomorrow) since I think tonight was the only chance I'll get to drive the two one after another.

While they're both rated at 140 hp, the power delivery couldn't have been more different. The Altis' 3ZR-FE has lots of grunt from the get-go, all the way to about 5000 rpm, and past this it feels like a tired athlete gasping for air but nonetheless trying to keep going. The FD's R18A1 on the other hand, feels very sedate up to about 4500 rpm, and you'd really feel the torque disparity. I was never a fan of the "VTEC just kicked in 'yo" mantra, but the engine really does feel more alive at higher rpms all the way to its 7000 rpm redline.

Transmission-wise, hands down the Civic has the better transmission, which is not only more responsive, but also has more gears which equates to better spaced ratios. Even in S-mode with the Altis, the FD's transmission still responds faster, though it's not particularly quick, nowhere near the Mz3 2.0 I drove recently. The Altis has paddle-shifters though, which the pre-facelift FD doesn't.

Steering feel and suspension feedback are both sharper with the Civic, which makes it feel less hefty than the Altis, even when the latter's lighter. At city cruising speeds though, the Altis feels more comfortable and less tiring to drive than the FD. Must be the hard seats. Or the annoyingly long dashboard.

In the end I feel like I've grown up too fast - a few years back I despised the softness of the Altis and wished we had bought an FD 2.0 or Focus TDCi instead. Now, I realize each car has it's merits and the Altis isn't all that bad. Love your own, as they say.

[vinj]

In the end I feel like I've grown up too fast - a few years back I despised the softness of the Altis and wished we had bought an FD 2.0 or Focus TDCi instead. Now, I realize each car has it's merits and the Altis isn't all that bad. Love your own, as they say.

This is the case with a lot of us. I loathed the Altis before due to it's lack of driving feel and high driving position and preferred the Civic FD way over my 9th gen. I used to coin the Altis 1.6E a/t of my sister as a golf cart. Over time though, i grew to appreciate the better comfort, insulation and the design which seems to grow on you. Age nga Of course, come repair/service time, i find it cheaper to maintain the Corolla.

On the engine, that's why Honda engines are called "torqueless wonders"; they have no low end grunt and are tuned for power after you go over the 4,000rpm range all the way to redline. Its powerband is located at the high rpm range.

[cjv_justice]

looks like both of you guys are going through an impasse...