China Corona Virus Outbreak

[dr. d]

Yep its true....

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math and statistics majors,
may i ask you to read the article and see what your own conclusions are.
i refer to their "lesson 3".

kayo na mag-google. hindi kasi ako marunong papano dalhin dito as a link, eh.

[uls]

Yep its true....

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but your complaint is the opposite

diba ang ayaw mo sa rapid test dahil madami nag po-positive pero negative sa swab

[uls]

may problema kasi sa timing ang test

di dahil defective ang test

kung may virus ka at di pa nag develop ng antibodies syempre mag nenegative ka sa RAT

kaya madami may virus nakakalusot

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sa experience naman ni Deestone nag postive siya sa RAT tapos nag negative sa PCR

pero he had the classic symptoms -- fever, loss of smell/taste

[12vdc]

Palpak kasi yung rapidtester from China malaki failure rate. I was tested Igg positive using Vazyme then pinaulit ko using Roche Elecsys turned non-ractive. Explanation ng doc faint hibla lang lumabas sa Vazyme highly possible as false positive. P1.5k test kit vs P2.5k kit, dapat doon sa mas accurate na test kit kung mag mass test and qualification for fit-to-work or border crossing.

[uls]

di pwede pang diagnose ng infection ang antibody test no matter what brand kahit made in US or Europe pa yan

simply coz hindi agad nagdedevelop ng antibodies mga newly infected

dapat virus / viral antigen ang hanapin para real time

di naman pwede PCR test coz the result takes days

dapat magkaroon ng mas mabilis na test

like before ka mag cross ng isang border meron saliva test while-you-wait

pag negative you'll be allowed in

yan ang napipicture ko....

[shadow]

For me talaga it's still better 20%-30% accuracy than nothing.

Mas lalong walang magpa test pag swab testing lang gagawin.


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[uls]

meron ako comment tungkol dito





ok good yan they require PCR test not RAT

so may plano ka pumunta puerto galera

maybe a week ahead nag pa-swab ka

you get your result after 3 to 5 days

negative ka

pero while waiting for the result...

or after you got the result... while on the way to puerto galera... nahawa ka during stop over somewhere like bumili ng food, nag CR sa gas station...

then you reach puerto galera you're allowed in coz meron ka dala papel that says you tested negative... 5 days ago

see the problem?

[uls]

For me talaga it's still better 20%-30% accuracy than nothing.

Mas lalong walang magpa test pag swab testing lang gagawin.


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gagamit parin ako ng RAT

[dr. d]

ok good yan they require PCR test not RAT

so may plano ka pumunta puerto galera

maybe a week ahead nag pa-swab ka

you get your result after 3 to 5 days

negative ka

pero while waiting for the result...

or after you got the result... while on the way to puerto galera... mahawa ka during stop over somewhere like bumili ng food, nag CR sa gas station...

then you reach puerto galera you're allowed in coz meron ka dala papel that says you tested negative... 5 days ago

see the problem?

what if they require a 7 to 14 day-old PCR test result, to be supplemented by a RAT at the entrance door?
wait many minutes for the result,
and go in if still non-reactive test result?

it will not drop the chances to zero, but i think it will diminish it somehow.

[jut703]

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ok good yan they require PCR test not RAT

so may plano ka pumunta puerto galera

maybe a week ahead nag pa-swab ka

you get your result after 3 to 5 days

negative ka

pero while waiting for the result...

or after you got the result... while on the way to puerto galera... mahawa ka during stop over somewhere like bumili ng food, nag CR sa gas station...

then you reach puerto galera you're allowed in coz meron ka dala papel that says you tested negative... 5 days ago

see the problem?

Paano pag nagfalse negative ka sa RAT tapos positive ka pala (early onset lang nung nagtest ka). So ganun din dala mo rin virus, same ending.

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[uls]

Paano pag nagfalse negative ka sa RAT tapos positive ka pala (early onset lang nung nagtest ka). So ganun din dala mo rin virus, same ending.

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yun nga kaya siguro nirequire ng puerto galera ang PCR coz wala sila tiwala sa RAT

i was pointing out meron din butas ang PCR kahit gold standard siya

problema sa PCR matagal ang resulta

pwede ka mahawa after the swab

[jut703]

yun nga kaya siguro nirequire ng pwerto galera ang PCR coz wala sila tiwala sa RAT

i was pointing out meron din butas ang PCR kahit gold standard siya

problema sa PCR matagal ang resulta

pwede ka mahawa after the swab

Even RT-PCR prone to false negative if swabbed too close to infection date.



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[uls]

what if they require a 7 to 14 day-old PCR test result, to be supplemented by a RAT at the entrance door?
wait many minutes for the result,
and go in if still non-reactive test result?

it will not drop the chances to zero, but i think it will diminish it somehow.

yes good idea

RAT can supplement PCR

[uls]

Even RT-PCR prone to false negative if swabbed too close to infection date.



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yes it's not as gold standard as the term implies

si Deestone diba nag negative sa PCR pero he had the classic symptoms (loss of smell/taste, fever)

nag positive siya sa RAT

[kagalingan]

sus walang katapusan na debate sa viral load vs antibody. Eh kahit ano pa jan itest nyo eh hindi yan hiv test na sure ka basta abstinence.

nagreklamo na si lani mercado kagabi sa news yung mga taga cavite nagtatrabaho sa metro manila eh wag na umuwi. Eh ito naman kasi cavite naging factory ng baby eh kulang naman trabaho sa loob ng city

best talaga ihouse arrest nyo mga trabahador pagusapan expenses sa food, electricity, water. Mas mura yan kaysa test every two weeks.

Panandaling-aliw lang any kind of test kung palipat-lipat ng location trabahador like bahay-work-supermarket-palengke-7-11-bahay wash rinse lather repeat.

Tingnan nyo ako dumsikarte bawas gastos walang bolahan na unlitest

[uls]

kaya both PCR and RAT may timing ang test

since iba't ibang stages of infection ang mga tinetest mo (and ung iba never infected) sigurado magkakaroon ka ng mga false negative

nahuhuli mo ung iba coz they were testing at the right timing

ung iba nakakalusot kasi wrong timing

[uls]

Tingnan nyo ako dumsikarte bawas gastos walang bolahan na unlitest

baka may virus ka na di mo lang alam

[dr. d]

sus walang katapusan na debate sa viral load vs antibody test. Eh kahit ano pa jan itest nyo eh hindi yan hiv test na sure ka basta abstinence.

nagreklamo na si lani mercado kagabi sa news yung mga taga cavite nagtatrabaho sa metro manila eh wag na umuwi. Eh ito naman kasi cavite naging factory ng baby eh kulang naman trabaho sa loob ng city

best talaga ihouse arrest nyo mga trabahador pagusapan expenses sa food, electricity, water. Mas mura yan kaysa test every two weeks.

that depends.
are you the worker who will be under house arrest, all expenses paid?
or are you the employer, all-expenses-sagot-mo?

[gls2001]

Kung nag pa-PCR test ka, mas maigi na i-assume mo na positive ka and pending your results mag isolate/quarantine ka na muna.


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[shadow]

Kung nag pa-PCR test ka, mas maigi na i-assume mo na positive ka and pending your results mag isolate/quarantine ka na muna.


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Ganyan naman talaga dapat since you'll get PCR test dahil either you have the symptoms na or meron ka close contact sa positive.


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