China Corona Virus Outbreak

[Miles_on]

you don't have dozens of people entering and leaving an operating room

people talking loudly, laughing, without masks

We may agree on the without masks thing, but the talking loudly, laughing and dozens of people entering and leaving... hahaha

Ask Doc d (if he's not too busy)

[uls]

Kaya nga yung mental health impact of this crisis is really bad.
It cuts at the very fabric of society (human interaction).

What was that Tom Hanks Movie again where he spent years talking to a volleyball?

korek

not to mention psychologically developing school age humans already lost 2 years of growth

[Vodka]

May I ask then, what would be the suggested protocol to reduce risk?

Even in most ORs (lalo na sa probinsya) they share the same air with the operating theaters beside them (if lucky to have more than one). Hindi naman din sterile ang hangin unless naka environmentally sealed suits & breathing apparatus ang mga surgeons (astronaut na?).

covid through fomites is rare. i don't even alcohol my hands anymore

primary way to get covid is through aerosols. every test i've seen shows that N95 (or better) are effective (certified masks only, and well fitted)

safety glasses can block large droplets w/ ballistic trajectory, like when unmasked person is talking close to your face

don't remove your mask in crowded indoor settings

that's basically it. really quite simple

[Miles_on]

Aysus, tell that to the carinderia owner down the street.

"Oy, imbes na etong celopin na plastic, requirement daw ng munisipyo bumile netong... ano ba yun, basta, taga sukat ata ng bad bret sa Syapee"

"Sabihin nyo diyan kay meyor, NEKNEK nya! Kung libre ba eh..."

[Miles_on]

`Mamya na, busy na rin ako

[Vodka]

We may agree on the without masks thing, but the talking loudly, laughing and dozens of people entering and leaving... hahaha

Ask Doc d (if he's not too busy)

OR air doesn't need to be sterile. patient's immune system plus antibiotics will take care of it. mas malinis pa air ng semiconductor clean room like in TSMC

[dr. d]

if we have to set up a barrier,
national bookstore sells plastic sheets for covering books and notebooks.
stretched out on the counter, just effective as aquarium panels naman sila..

[uls]

re mental health

pinag usapan lang namin ng friend ko recently

he has teenagers

sabi niya "ok lang as atin" (amin -- ako, siya) kasi nagpag daanan na namin... ung pag-ba-barkada, partying, ligaw-ligaw etc

pero malaking bagay ung mawala ang 2 years of social interaction/development sa mga bata

and there's still no end in sight

[Vodka]

korek

not to mention psychologically developing school age humans already lost 2 years of growth

and they're injecting kids w/ a rushed vaccine that may screw them up forever

[uls]

Aysus, tell that to the carinderia owner down the street.

"Oy, imbes na etong celopin na plastic, requirement daw ng munisipyo bumile netong... ano ba yun, basta, taga sukat ata ng bad bret sa Syapee"

"Sabihin nyo diyan kay meyor, NEKNEK nya! Kung libre ba eh..."

btw

i'm not advocating any of those -- plastic barrier, co2 sensor, whatever

you asked ano pwede so i gave you an answer what other people may consider better than barriers but i'm not advocating

if you haven't noticed, ako lang dito sa forum ung gusto ma-reverse lahat ng pandemic insanity

you misunderstood my comment re hygiene theather

you thought i was saying they weren't not enough... na gusto ko ng mas effective na safety equipment

nope

mas gusto ko pa mga tindahan na walang kaartehan

ung madali pumasok walang ceremonia

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walang kwenta ang plastic barrier

nilagay lang yan to make people feel safer and to show the authorities you're complying with minimum requirements and allow you to operate

as a consumer, kung takot ka sa virus, wag pumasok sa resto

wag pumunta sa grocery, wag lumabas ng bahay even if the gov't allows you to

coz omicron is as contagious or even more contagious than measles

[uls]

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[uls]

and they're injecting kids w/ a rushed vaccine that may screw them up forever

concerns brought up last year by people in the fringes are now being reported by mainstream media

[Deestone]

I was watching doc willie vlog earlier and he mentioned about 2 new covid pill paxlovir and bexavir which he says is more effective than the current monupilavir. So can this be the answer for those seniors or with comorbidity? they have a medicine for covid illness plus vaccine.

[Athrunzala]

concerns brought up last year by people in the fringes are now being reported by mainstream media

Oo, May 2021 pa yan balita, conspiracy theory no more...

[uls]

I was watching doc willie vlog earlier and he mentioned about 2 new covid pill paxlovir and bexavir which he says is more effective than the current monupilavir. So can this be the answer for those seniors or with comorbidity? they have a medicine for covid illness plus vaccine.

bexavir?

are you sure about the name?

[Monseratto]

Under staff is the biggest problem everywhere. Malaking bagay na nga sa PH yung only 5 day quarantine for HCW. Sa US, kahit positive pero asymptomatic pinapapasok na... no more quarantine.

[BratPAQ]

i have seen speaker-microphone set-ups in some institutions, augmenting communication between the two entities on either side of the plexiglass...
cool!

I've seen that. Didn't know its two way. Kala ko sila lang may mic at yung nakaharap sa kin speaker lang.

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[Wh1stl3r]

Under staff is the biggest problem everywhere. Malaking bagay na nga sa PH yung only 5 day quarantine for HCW. Sa US, kahit positive pero asymptomatic pinapapasok na... no more quarantine.

Same sa PGH. Asymptomatics to report for work. Oks na rin siguro kesa walang staff. And if you're in the covid area you're already infected anyway...

[Athrunzala]

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[BratPAQ]

Same principle (issue) naman din involved.

The virus doesn't care if you're in an OR or dining

-My 2 cents


Tsaka mas mura siguro ang acrylic barrier than a CO2 sensor hehehe

My pregnant friend last year, nag aayos na ng RT-PCR test 3 days before the CS, then nagka problem or delay yung CS so expired na test result. Pero nag la labor na. So sinara yata buong OR at sya lang pasyente. Nung dumating yung bill kasama yung pag sara ng OR.

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