rollback!!!

[True Faith]

Well if you force them to pull down prices beyond what they want and decide to leave us, then we are screwed. High price is better than no gas at all. Price controls never work, you have to leave the supplier and the consumer to sort this out. If consumers are not buying enough they will have to lower the prices down.

No one is forcing them to pull down prices beyond what is justifiable.

Once and for all they have to open their books.

There was an instance, the DOE Sec. was exasperated with the answers of the oil companies during a meeting regarding their computations...and as to why they are slow in implementing rollbacks...

So it means, may tinatago sila...


Oil is an essential commodity.Nabawasan man pero marami talagang bumibili. kaya nga sinasamantala nila e. they know they control the market. its hard to find alternatives. people are forced to buy even if prices are not in favor to the consumers.

Obviously, at these prices marami pa ring bumibili so that meas the price is acceptable to the market.

Obviously, Its not acceptable kaya nga nagre-reklamo marami.Nagpapa-rollback nga e.

[uls]

it's a wrong analogy, bro. . .nothing unethical about that

i already explained myself above.

and i'll explain further...

If it is unethical for oil companies to profit in times of economic hardship,

then it is also unethical for individuals to make too much money and have too much disposable income in times of economic hardship.

If an individual has a lot of money to spend on car-pimping in times of economic hardship, then it is unethical too.

that's my point.

And if there you say it's not unethical to pimp your car in times of economic hardship,

then what's unethical about oil companies making money in times of economic hardship?

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the sentiment i get from oil company haters is this:

Dapat pare-pareho tayo naghihirap. Hindi pwede kami lang ang naghihirap at kayo nagpapakasarap.

so typical of pinoy crab mentality.

Instead of figuring out a way to improve, drag everyone down nalang... para pantay pantay lahat.

[True Faith]

Manila times
October 23, 2008

[SIZE=4]Filipinos Shortchanged on Fuel Price Rollbacks
NEDA sees under recoveries for consumers
[/SIZE]
Darwin G. Amojelar


THE National Economic and Development Authority (NEDA) said o[SIZE=4]il companies have been shortchanging Filipinos[/SIZE] with regard to their fuel price cuts, adding retailers should implement a bigger reduction. Based on [SIZE=4]computations the agency made, diesel prices should be at least P34.32 a liter while gasoline prices should fall to P40.95 a liter.[/SIZE] The NEDA estimates are based on a world market price of $70 a barrel and a foreign exchange rate of P48.28 to the US dollar.




“It is now the [SIZE=4]consumers who are experiencing under recovery,” [/SIZE]Socioeconomic Planning Sec. and NEDA Director-General Ralph Recto said, adding the [SIZE=4]under recoveries are huge.[/SIZE]


He noted that with lower oil prices “there would be pressure from the transport sector to reduce prices, which will benefit the riding public.”
The NEDA chief said a further reduction in pump prices would “benefit consumers as it would also affect prices of other goods leading to better consumption during the holiday season.”

Need to say more....

[uls]

The greatest threat to a government's stability is an angry populace.

Syempre govt would come out with statements like that.

It shifts the people's anger away from the govt and towards oil companies.

Makes the govt look like it is on the side of the people.

[vito corleone]

i already explained myself above.

and i'll explain further...

If it is unethical for oil companies to profit in times of economic hardship,

then it is also unethical for individuals to make too much money and have too much disposable income in times of economic hardship.

If an individual has a lot of money to spend on car-pimping in times of economic hardship, then it is unethical too.

that's my point.

And if there you say it's not unethical to pimp your car in times of economic hardship,

then what's unethical about oil companies making money in times of economic hardship?

they are simply not the same thing!

[Galactus]

That's intellectual dishonesty.

Again, nobody here is saying that the oil companies can't profit. But they have to temper their profit, or moderate their greed in the face of today's trying times.

And it's insulting to say that the Big 3 critics have crab mentality. Actually, I'm a devil's advocate for unpopular causes myself, but there simply isn't a valid justification for today's fuel prices. Economists from NEDA are the most unbiased persons I know. (They actually came up with a "Tell Everything" statement on the NBN-ZTE scandal remember?). To diss their findings, simply because they're government economists and should side with government to be popular, is narrow-minded thinking.

We don't need prodding from Pandak's minions to make up our minds re: gas prices.

The sentiment I get from Big 3 "defenders" is that they place profit as their God, beyond everything else, that gross, unbridled profiteering is ok even during trying times, and such is the natural way of the world. That its ok to eat cake while your countrymen are starving and can't even eat a single loaf of bread. Tumagal ba sa puwesto yung mga ganitong tao?

[Gerbo]

Sir uls...take time to reflect..medyo going astray na yon arguments mo.

Bottom line is....adjustments in price has to be made....a corresponding rollback of gas prices is the most prudent thing to do....

Otherwise, its bordering on profiteering.

Oil is a socially-sensitive commodity and has a MULTIPLIER effect on the economy. And the hardest hit are not the car enthusiasts who puts bling on each of their cars, etc...but the common man.

In economic trying times, those in the lower income bracket is the hardest hit. And we have multitudes of them.

[True Faith]

That's intellectual dishonesty.

Again, nobody here is saying that the oil companies can't profit. But they have to temper their profit, or moderate their greed in the face of today's trying times.

And[SIZE=3] it's insulting to say that the Big 3 critics have crab mentality.[/SIZE] Actually, I'm a devil's advocate for unpopular causes myself, but there simply isn't a valid justification for today's fuel prices. [SIZE=3]Economists from NEDA are the most unbiased persons I know.[/SIZE] (They actually came up with a "Tell Everything" statement on the NBN-ZTE scandal remember?). To diss their findings, simply because they're government economists and should side with government to be popular, is narrow-minded thinking.

We don't need prodding from Pandak's minions to make up our minds re: gas prices.

The sentiment I get from [SIZE=4]Big 3 "defenders" is that they place profit as their God, beyond everything else, that gross, unbridled profiteering is ok even during trying times, and such is the natural way of the world.[/SIZE] That its ok to eat cake while your countrymen are starving and can't even eat a single loaf of bread. [SIZE=3]Tumagal ba sa puwesto yung mga ganitong tao?[/SIZE]

Beautiful!

[uls]

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[jpdm]

Greedy oil companies.

[josh2004i]

pacensya na, bro. I dont understand the word.

*True faith tries to discuss things in a nice way as much as possible without resorting to name calling..

anyway, keep posting on the topic..

Anyway bro, back to topic. I just noticed a lot of people here are protector of Big 3. Alam na natin kung bakit hindi ba. I just feel sad about them. Kaya nga naghihirap ang mundo dahil sa mga nagsasamantala.

GREEDY!!!

[jpdm]

Anyway bro, back to topic. I just noticed a lot of people here are protector of Big 3. Alam na natin kung bakit hindi ba. I just feel sad about them. Kaya nga naghihirap ang mundo dahil sa mga nagsamantala.

GREEDY!!!

I second the motion josh.

[A121]

Magbukas na lang kasi kayo ng mga libro ng mga oil companies para matapos na ang thread na ito.

Kahibangan lang talaga kung hindi naman mababack-up ang mga claims dito eh. Lahat naman kasi ng mga nasusulat dito puro mga hinuha at mga opinyon lang. unless, someone can backup it up with a complete proof, i.e. crunch some numbers, if you will, everything in this thread is pointless. No resolution can be arrived at.

Identify the variables needed and the instruments that they have used. Show the numbers, how the computation methods are done. Maybe, then we could question it. It is really pointless to jump into some conclusion without all the facts needed.

Oh wait, forums pala to. hahaha.

[jpdm]

Magbukas na lang kasi kayo ng mga libro ng mga oil companies para matapos na ang thread na ito.

Kahibangan lang talaga kung hindi naman mababack-up ang mga claims dito eh. Lahat naman kasi ng mga nasusulat dito puro mga hinuha at mga opinyon lang. unless, someone can backup it up with a complete proof, i.e. crunch some numbers, if you will, everything in this thread is pointless. No resolution can be arrived at.

Identify the variables needed and the instruments that they have used. Show the numbers, how the computation methods are done. Maybe, then we could question it. It is really pointless to jump into some conclusion without all the facts needed.

Walang kahibangan sa forum, bro.

Kahibangan din yung malinaw na sinasamantala nila ang pagkakataon at the expense of the people.

Kahibangan yung alam mo na niloloko ka na hindi ka iimik.

Hirap sa mga suporter ng oil companies ginagawa lahat na tanga mga tao. na sila lang may alam ng lahat. BS!!!!

Kapal din ng mga pagmumukha ng mga oil companies na ito.

Now, Forums are here as a venue in which people can register their opinyon.

Positive, negative dapat tanggapin ng mods.

Wag lang hahantong sa matinding insultuhan.

Tsaka, forum nga e. Hindi naman nagdi-defend ng thesis ang pro and against sa roll back.

Its so easy for people like you to degrade opinions of others when their opinions are against your idea or against the obnoxious behaviour of these oil companies..

About your idea of what, Show some numbers?Instruments?

Ask NEDA how they computed the pricing of oil in the country.


Take note, hindi na IBON ito.

O yung suporter ng mga gahaman na oil companies wag nyo nang degrade mga tao sa NEDA...alam nila ginahgawa nila...hindi lang kayo matatalino.

This greedy oil companies should be the ones who must show numbers!

Sa DOE meetings nga ni walang mapakitang matinong number ang oil companies. Halatang may itinatago.

I know somebody who comes from the oil industry.And they admit, they are making a killing right now.


They have to buy time so that when the time oil goes up again they have a reason not to bring down the prices...

[josh2004i]

Magbukas na lang kasi kayo ng mga libro ng mga oil companies para matapos na ang thread na ito.

Kahibangan lang talaga kung hindi naman mababack-up ang mga claims dito eh. Lahat naman kasi ng mga nasusulat dito puro mga hinuha at mga opinyon lang. unless, someone can backup it up with a complete proof, i.e. crunch some numbers, if you will, everything in this thread is pointless. No resolution can be arrived at.

Identify the variables needed and the instruments that they have used. Show the numbers, how the computation methods are done. Maybe, then we could question it. It is really pointless to jump into some conclusion without all the facts needed.

Oh wait, forums pala to. hahaha.

Is that what you think iho...

So, are you telling us to go back and read again.
I can't imagine whats in your head. You're doing my heading A121.
Have you seen the figures from NEDA? Well, that's the computation comparing from the year that was and the present year.

[jpdm]

Magbukas na lang kasi kayo ng mga libro ng mga oil companies para matapos na ang thread na ito.

Kahibangan lang talaga kung hindi naman mababack-up ang mga claims dito eh. Lahat naman kasi ng mga nasusulat dito puro mga hinuha at mga opinyon lang. unless, someone can backup it up with a complete proof, i.e. crunch some numbers, if you will, everything in this thread is pointless. No resolution can be arrived at.

Identify the variables needed and the instruments that they have used. Show the numbers, how the computation methods are done. Maybe, then we could question it. It is really pointless to jump into some conclusion without all the facts needed.

Oh wait, forums pala to. hahaha.

These people like monseratto is giving a warning (or threatening?) the thread on the reported protests against oil companies will be closed by the mods in the thumbs up forum.

Now, you want this thread to end.


Both of you talk about this thread AND THE OTHER THREAD AS POINTLESS.

Why?

Why not just ignore these two threads?

Are you suggesting again to the mods to close these threads focusing on oil companies?

Hindi naman ako bobo at yung mga maraming Pinoy na galit sa hindi pag roll back ng mga oil companies tuungkol sa nangyayari.

parang pinipigilan na pag-usapan. censorship?gag order?

samantalang napakahalaga nito.

Lahat negatibong tinatamaan ng mataas na presyo lalo yung nasa transport (public transport, delivery, practically all industries)

Pwera yung mga nakikinabang sa limpak na salaping kinikita sa pagkagahaman ng oil companies....


in the end, lalabas naman talaga ang totoo.

kung kawawa ang oil companies. malalaman naman ng tao e.

pero sa puntong ito. GARAPALAN.

[A121]

*jpdm and josh2004i,

Nakuha nyo rin ang point ko.

[jpdm]

*jpdm and josh2004i,

Nakuha nyo rin ang point ko.

hindi.

[A121]

1. May nagbibigay ng opinyon na iba sa inyo, ayaw nyo pakinggan.
2. Kayo nagbibigay ng opinyon nyo, dapat kayo lang ang pakinggan.
3. Bibili rin naman tayo ng gasolina bukas.

[jpdm]

1. May nagbibigay ng opinyon na iba sa inyo, ayaw nyo pakinggan.
2. Kayo nagbibigay ng opinyon nyo, dapat kayo lang ang pakinggan.
3. Bibili rin naman tayo ng gasolina bukas.

Hindi rin. Kaya nga nakakapag-post ka ng idea mo e.

hinihintay ang sinasabi mo e.

E di pinakikinggan din.

Problema, gusto nyo rin na igiit yung opinyon nyo e.


Kaya nga lahat bibili ng gasolina,kaya dapat ibaba sa tamang presyo e.