Does school really matter?

[CVT]

Better to look at the percentage of passers or the number of graduates in the top 10. Topnotcher nga pero ang passing rate naman eh mababa.

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In my time, and I am not sure now, there are a lot of anomalies in the review schools and the board exam, so not really a gauge for me when considering hiring fresh graduates.... Tips abound depending on the review school you enrolled.

If they pass my technical exam and my interview, they're hired.

[CVT]

It also varies per industry, eh diba maraming bpo ngayon.



Employers have been hiring for years for sure they have their reasons for their preference. Records and performance sa recruitment is one thing, actual performance sa work is another. Best school nga, pangit naman ng experience nila with graduates of that school.

If that's based on hiring, probably I am not surprised...

But the other measure should be who is leading the pack..

[Yatta]

In my time, and I am not sure now, there are a lot of anomalies in the review schools and the board exam, so not really a gauge for me when considering hiring fresh graduates.... Tips abound depending on the review school you enrolled.

If they pass my technical exam and my interview, they're hired.

I was referring to board passing rate vs graduates. I have no opinion on why someone gets hired or not since thats bordering on personal preference already and as seen in this thread appears to be out of spite/favor for his/her school.

[StockEngine]

If that's based on hiring, probably I am not surprised...

But the other measure should be who is leading the pack..

chief iba talaga mga ceo

[Egan101]

When hiring resources for my IT staff, I don't put so much importance on what school an applicant got their undergraduate course. I am more looking forward to people who can contribute and collaborate properly. I hate to say it but there are some people out there who feel entitled with the logo on their diploma.

[Little Missy]

No one is contesting the "good" and "best" because exam results and numbers don't lie. The discussion is around who is "preferred" among "entry level / fresh grads" and the employers have spoken.

Isn't it elitist to question why this survey favors PUP grads just because the tuition is low and they're not topnotchers? Mahihirap na pamilya itinawid makapagpatapos ng pag-aaral and companies giving them opportunities. That sounds good to me.

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[jut703]

Had this discussion with friends from HR before when this survey first came out (around 2 yrs ago) showing PUP as top preference.

Simply put - "they're hardworking and don't mind being underpaid as long as they have a stable job"

So I guess it's perfect for entry-level work but that's not exactly the criteria you would set for hiring managers and VPs.

Again, majority of the biggest companies have graduates from the best schools at their top schools. It's just the law of averages - on average, mas magaling yung graduate of a good school in the long term than the graduate of a so-so school. There will be outliers of course but not everyone can be an outlier - kaya nga outlier eh.

The bitter pill is that in corporate, school matters. A lot.

Having your own business on the other hand is a completely separate matter.

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[uls]

Had this discussion with friends from HR before when this survey first came out (around 2 yrs ago) showing PUP as top preference.

Simply put - "they're hardworking and don't mind being underpaid as long as they have a stable job"

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so tama... coz they're not rich kids they're grateful to have a job and would value the job

and coz mas matiisin sila, tumatagal sila

[jut703]

so tama... coz they're not rich kids they're grateful to have a job and would value the job

and coz mas matiisin sila, tumatagal sila

But it's not exactly bad if you actually demand what you're worth.

Yes I know maraming entitled rich kids na hindi naman magaling tapos expectation mataas sweldo. Pero marami rin akong kilala na magaling talaga and did not settle and eventually got what they deserved based on their output.

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[kagalingan]

Madami din maykaya sa buhay na dumaan sa hirap. Tingnan nyo mga chinese-filipino na sobrang tipid sa buhay.

[kagalingan]

totoo sianbi ni jut. Malaki importansya ng "connection"

Sa basketball na lang mantakin nyo naka ilan years sa pba si eman monfort. Imagine pati si yeng guiao na kesyo no nonsense daw eh napatiklop ni pangilinan at kinuha player yan. Ang napabilib ako eh nakasali pa sa all star game. Not by fan votes but coaches vote. Ang tindi ng conneksyon!!!!

Pero eventually nilaglag din ni yeng. Kasi niloloko mo na lang sarili mo eh. Hindi pang pba yun talent.

So imagine from his one and only all star appearance eh the following year no work na. Maybe sa pangilinan group of companies ililipat. PArang si magnum membrere and gabby cui. hahahahah.

[uls]

But it's not exactly bad if you actually demand what you're worth.

siguro later on when they already proved they can perform

pero sa umpisa di pa naman alam ng company ano galing nila and there are dozens of applicants with similar specs on file, di yata appropriate na mag demand agad si new employee

Yes I know maraming entitled rich kids na hindi naman magaling tapos expectation mataas sweldo. Pero marami rin akong kilala na magaling talaga and did not settle and eventually got what they deserved based on their output.

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yes i know naman iba ang level ng talino ng mga galing sa top schools

di naman sila makakapasa sa entrance exam in the first place pag hindi

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rich kids can bring unique stuff to the table

like sa private banking they'll hire rich kids specifically coz they got ready connections via social circle

clients are more likely to trust someone who is similar culturally and/or familiar

[uls]

Madami din maykaya sa buhay na dumaan sa hirap. Tingnan nyo mga chinese-filipino na sobrang tipid sa buhay.

ung mga lolo na nag bote dyaryo nakaranas ng hirap

pero pag dating sa apo di na nakaranas ng hirap mga yan

private school all the way, college sa UP, ADMU, DLSU, UST

pag graduate ayaw mag trabaho sa family business

sobra westernized kasi ang utak mababa tingin sa traditional chinese family business kasi very informal*

gusto ng mga yan magtrabaho sa mga multinational



*si papa CEO, si mama finance, accounting, credit and collection department, si achi tulong kay mama, si kuya day-to-day operations and IT kasi magaling sa computer, si shoti tulong kay kuya

[minicarph]

Ako iisa lang style of rule ko eh

Pag matalino sya, patabain mo
Pag vain (fit) sya, pa feel mo bobo sya
Pag matalino at fit sya, apply-an mo na ng art of war

Usually 80% of the Filipino dont pass the first two conditions,
Yun pang tatlo , pang executive na talaga yun kaya krlangan na ng art of war

[jut703]

siguro later on when they already proved they can perform

pero sa umpisa di pa naman alam ng company ano galing nila and there are dozens of applicants with similar specs on file, di yata appropriate na mag demand agad si new employee

Out of college palang, meron nang mga mas magagaling kaysa sa iba.

Presentation skills, Excel skills, analysis and insight, EQ - these are things that set people apart and lead to corporate career advancement and some fresh grads are better at it than others.

And since sayang ang time value of money and exponential advancement, a fresh grad who knows he's worth 50k starting will not settle for a 15k/month entry level job. Doesn't necessarily have to be a rich kid - can be someone from a modest family but knows his worth.

Although on the flipside, meron din namang mga fresh grad na walang paki sa sweldo since may allowance pa from parents kahit kumikita na.

rich kids can bring unique stuff to the table

like sa private banking they'll hire rich kids specifically coz they got ready connections via social circle

clients are more likely to trust someone who is similar culturally and/or familiar

This is true. Sa ALP puro RK mga hinahire para may network na kagad na pwedeng bentahan ng properties.

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[Little Missy]

Companies spend on training. Imagine training a staff tapos aalis agad, di nila nasulit tapos maghahire na naman sila ng bagong iti-train. The more tenured a staff gets the more competent he becomes too. Pag newbie na naman aalalayan pa nila. Mas okay for them if an employee stays.

Other kids naman can afford to quit jobs and find better opportunities, gaining more experiences and developing competencies. In turn, making them more competitive. Not so privileged kids can't do that. Di nila afford mawalan ng trabaho so they stay.

I don't think PUP fresh grads have the top positions in mind naman, at least not all of them, and maybe not yet. Enough na sa kanila for now ma-employed soon so hindi na sila pabigat sa parents at makatulong na. While grads from the "better schools" are eyeing the top positions and investing to get there as early as now (because they have the education, the training and can afford to take risks). May advantage naman talaga sila.


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[chronicle]

Out of college palang, meron nang mga mas magagaling kaysa sa iba.

Presentation skills, Excel skills, analysis and insight, EQ - these are things that set people apart and lead to corporate career advancement and some fresh grads are better at it than others.

So true, Aladd mo pa. English. Yan ang medyo sumasablay ngayon. Yan pa naman supposedly bentahe nating mga pinoy.
May mga nakaka interact ako sa email na sobrang cringey mag english, usually mga clerical na bago.

Companies spend on training. Imagine training a staff tapos aalis agad, di nila nasulit tapos maghahire na naman sila ng bagong iti-train. The more tenured a staff gets the more competent he becomes too. Pag newbie na naman aalalayan pa nila. Mas okay for them if an employee stays.

Kasama na yan sa budget nila. Pag hr, immune na sila sa staff resignations.




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[uls]

And since sayang ang time value of money and exponential advancement, a fresh grad who knows he's worth 50k starting will not settle for a 15k/month entry level job. Doesn't necessarily have to be a rich kid - can be someone from a modest family but knows his worth.

LM:

Other kids naman can afford to quit jobs and find better opportunities, gaining more experiences and developing competencies. In turn, making them more competitive. Not so privileged kids can't do that. Di nila afford mawalan ng trabaho so they stay.

I don't think PUP fresh grads have the top positions in mind naman, at least not all of them, and maybe not yet. Enough na sa kanila for now ma-employ soon so hindi na sila pabigat sa parents at makatulong na. While grads from the "better schools" are eyeing the top positions and investing to get there as early as now (because they have the education, the training and can afford to take risks). May advantage naman talaga sila.

basically ma-pride ang mga RK/middle class coz di sila desperate

sasabihin ng magulang "anak, kung ganyan lang i-su-sweldo sayo i-pag maneho mo nalang ako araw araw at swelduhan kita" hehe

"anak, kung ganyan lang i-su-sweldo sayo ipagaral nalang kita uli"

[Super Inggo]

San ba kayo nag graduate?

Ako sa BatsStateU.

Bawi na ko kasi mura lang gastos ko sa college. Tapos napangasawa ko eh maraming business. Pinamana sa amin kaya di ko na kailangan maging empleyado.

[minicarph]

San ba kayo nag graduate?

Ako sa BatsStateU.

Bawi na ko kasi mura lang gastos ko sa college. Tapos napangasawa ko eh maraming business. Pinamana sa amin kaya di ko na kailangan maging empleyado.

maganda ba napangasawa mo, usually kasi pag ganyan ma business ang family, di naman seeexxy o maganda yun scion nila, ilan beses ko na din ni-rehearse sarile ko sa ganyan sitwasyun, wala eh di ko talaga kaya.

ive had two in my past na sana mayaman na ako ngaun as in alam mo yun , pero di ko talaga masikmura