The Kia Sedona/Carnival Thread [ARCHIVE]

[rockinrobin]

Hi to all Carnival/Sedona users,

I'm looking for a family van to replace my existing wagon. The back row gets cramped especially if the car seat is placed. My daughter is less than a year pero masikip na sa wagon namin.

One of my choices is the Kia SEdona/Carnival. Tanong ko lang sa mga owners about the performance of the vehicle (speed, suspension, aircon etc...) ok ba ito kahit Korean car? What about aftersales... madali ba makakuha ng spare parts?


Thanks!

[mikey177]

rockinrobin,

The performance of the Sedona is very good as long as you pay attention to the particular needs of its turbodiesel engine.

Speed - ok
Suspension - ok
Aircon - ok
Fuel economy - ok (for a big van)
Spare parts - ok if you're living in Metro Manila. If you're in the province, it depends. You'll generally find the parts you need, but they will generally cost more than the same item bought in Banaue, QC.

[fried_bangus]

performance ok naman. after sales.... you will go after them. hehehe. wag ka kuha dito sa kia marikina. service sucks.

[OTEP]

Kia Quezon Ave. has good service. Better than Wheels E.Rod as per my experience. Prompt service, nice waiting area.

Less service load, too because the service area of Kia Quezon Ave. is not shared with Hyundai/Ssangyong. And being a former BMW/Land Rover/Mitsu dealer, you share service space with them, too! Multi-brand dealer kasi ang Wheels.

[bisoy]

i brought my first gen kia carnival to davao over the weekend. it was a blast to drive. however, i noticed 2 things na medyo natakot ako.....

first, i noticed that when on a downhill at medyo steep ang road and i run 70kph (or faster), the whole van shakes when i hit the brakes. it doesnt matter kung bigla o dahan2 ang pag apak ng brakes basta all the three conditions are there (downhill, steep incline and 70kph and above ang takbo). bakit kaya to? coz when im on a flat surface, kahit 140kph, ok pa rin sya. pls take note na hindi yung steering wheel ang nag vibrate but the van mismo. accelerating wala problema kahit isagad ko. it doesnt vibrate talaga. i wonder if you guys have experienced this....

second is minsan, titigas lang yung brake pedal. dati, when on a crawling traffic at naka D(rive) ang trans ko and i step on the brakes para mag creep forward lang ang van. minsan, bigla nalang titigas ang brakes and the van continuously move forward. the feeling of the pedal is like stepping on the brakes with your engine is off. parang naubusan ng vacuum? vacuum leak kaya? when i brought her to davao last weekend, may isang downhill na curve na medyo matagal ko inapak ang brakes. after a while, tumigas sya bigla. buti nalang may presence of mind ako ang put the gear on its lowest setting L (AT kasi ako) so nag engine brake sya and i lifted my foot and pressed the pedal again. buti kumagat na sya. after this incident, natakot ako bigla. i was with my family the whole time.

sana hindi serious problem ito. anyone experienced this? thanks in advance...

[rockinrobin]

Thanks for the inputs! Follow up question - how will I know if the vehicle is a Kia Park or a locally Sedona/Carnival. If ever I will get one kasi gusto ko yung dinistribute ng Kia and hindi import.

Aside from this thread, meron ba website para sa mga Kia Sedona users? Want to get lots of info kasi before getting one.

Thanks again in advance.

[mikey177]

bisoy::: Sorry to hear about your brake system problems. I haven't experienced that problem myself, but you could have a mechanic inspect your front and rear brakes to just to make sure everything is in proper working order.

rockinrobin::: You could check out http://www.kia-forums.com/ It is an international forum, not based in the Philippines, so some features or problems that they discuss might not be applicable to our local Kia vehicles.

The easiest way to find out if the Kia you are getting is a local unit is to ask for the receipt from the local dealer where the unit came from. Iilan lang naman ang mga local Kia dealers kaya madali i-pinpoint kung hindi galing sa kanila ang unit.

[jabr]

to sir bisoy,
hope that you could discover and solve your brake problems asap, moreso that your family is riding in it.
have my 2nd hand carnival for two weeks now, wala namang problems encountered so far. space, power and fuel consumption is very adequate. so does the airconditioning which is very cool compared to our previous ride, the kids really loved the car and have it named already. just waiting to reach 40k for the pms. gud day to you folks!

[diesoline]

rhino: good day, doc rhino! i saw a 2004 carnival crdi (just like mine) listed in the buynsell issue two weeks ago. 700k php with 24000 km on the odo. there's a buzz that the crdi sedona will be out in the local market within the year -- i just don't know if whether it will be the all-new grand carnival body or the sedona body.

bisoy: have you had your brakes checked up yet? pa-check mo din ung brake rotor discs. baka uneven na ang wear.

[slyfox]

funny ngayon ko lang naisip magpost about our family's carnival park. it's a 2002 model and so far andami nang mga naging problems. first the timing chain broke at 35Tkms (*%*#!) then the aircon louvres gave way plus problems with the injector hoses which all had to be replaced. the guy at wheels says that the kia park is really very problematic which is why they upgraded to the sedona. is there any truth to this? sorry sa dami nang posts ang hirap kasi mag-search ng similar probs. TIA.

[bisoy]

diesoline, i had the brakes checked 5k kms ago. my ride is due for another PMS anytime now. i know i replaced my front pads and had my read adjusted para sa parking brakes. not sure about the rotor but i had a ride once na may tama na yung rotor and iba naman yung feel doon. the pedal feels like it is kicking your foot back. parang kumokontra sya at parang nag vibrate ang pedal. sa carnival ko, iba ang feel coz everything doesnt shake except the body. the pedal and the steering wheel doesnt vibrate at all. yung car ang nagvi-vibrate. weird nga eh. sa tagal ko nang nagdri-drive sa ibat ibang klaseng lumang sasakyan, this is the first time i have encountered this.

may theory ako and i think may punto naman. i read somewhere in this thread that the carnival is very front heavy. kahit sa pag drive ko, alam ko medyo biased sa front ang weight. so my theory is..... on a steep downhill and at speeds above 70kph, hindi kaya ng brakes natin sa harap and momentum ng oto natin. so in effect, the brake pads slips and holds and slips and holds..... parang nag engage ang abs sa front kung baga.

theory ko din on how to cure this problem is dapat mas kapit dapat ang rear brakes natin. if it is possible to set it, dapat i-advance sya ng ilang milliseconds para mas kakapit sya una than what it is doing now. it's like riding a bicycle downhill and medyo nauna ang brakes mo sa harap ng konte. locking your brakes on a downhill will only spell trouble. so dapat dahan dahan ang pag brake sa bike mo. so in a way, parang yopu engage the abs of your bike. tama ba ang theory ko mga peeps? does it make sense?

sana hindi bobo mga mekaniko sa casa dito. i should be bringing her to he casa next week. for her routinary pms.

[altec]

the local series are called carnival for the gen 1 and sedona for the gen 2. Gen 1 looks like the carnival park 1 and the gen 2 looks like the carnival park 2 for the gray imported versions. There is also a Land series which I believe to be equivalent to the local LS and RS units, with the differences from accessories and ABS only. There is no such thing as a local crdi unit, all crdi units are imported surplus. Imported units, however, have so many different accessories than the local units, and may differ a lot, as can be seen from pictures courtesy of diesoline sooo many pages back.

[rockinrobin]

Thank you for the inputs guys.

Mikey777 - thanks for the site.

Meron pa rin ako additional inquiries about the Carnival/Sedona... sorry ah. Just want to know more about the vehicle and brand kasi before I get one.

Question ko naman about the automatic transmission. Wala naman problem ang Kia sa AT?

When did Kia introduce the Kia Sedona? What are the major difference between the 2 (engine, exterior and interior etc...)?

Thanks again in advance!

[rockinrobin]

to sir bisoy,
hope that you could discover and solve your brake problems asap, moreso that your family is riding in it.
have my 2nd hand carnival for two weeks now, wala namang problems encountered so far. space, power and fuel consumption is very adequate. so does the airconditioning which is very cool compared to our previous ride, the kids really loved the car and have it named already. just waiting to reach 40k for the pms. gud day to you folks!

Hi jabr,

May I ask how much you got your Carnival?

Thanks.

[jabr]

rockinrobin:
i got mine for 380k. it is a carnival ls (ls is the top of the line for this unit as compared to the rs) 2001 model. mileage was only 36K+. One advice i could give to you when buying a pre-owned sedona/carnival unit is to look at the mileage, because there are certain parts that needs to be changed upon reaching 80k (such as the oil pump chain and timing belt) which could mean an additional 30k if it still not changed. i've read all the inputs in this thread which really helped me before i've decided to buy one for my family. no regrets in getting a kia so far, the ride was great! good luck to your car hunting!

[bisoy]

anyone has any theories on my brake problems?

ill be having my carnival serviced next week for its 60k kms pms. any special pms i should not miss? any advises from the experts? thanks

[Radical!]

Any news on the "2007" Kia Sedona (the alleged 170bhp CRDi )? I heard from the grapevine that a Kia Motors Phils executive went on a trip to Seoul last April to 'finalize' initial acquisition of the new Sedona for the Philippines...any of you heard from your 'suki' dealers/Sales reps about this?

[hinlog]

hi there,

My 2001 carnival AT LS is due for change oil, and I would like to have it done o/s casa. The previous owner brought the unit to Signet Edsa always, however, I wonder what could be the recommended oil brand and what are the items (specific to Kia Car)that I need to buy beforehand? I live in Laguna, so any recommended non-casa shop within the area which can properly maintain my Kia Car will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

[mikey177]

bisoy::: You may have a point regarding the braking behavior of the Carnival. I regret though that I can't relate or test your hypothesis since I have the RS version that has a manual tranny and no ABS.

Anyway, you might want to try Otep's suggestion of going to Kia Quezon Ave instead of Wheels E. Rod since the former focuses solely on Kia vehicles while the latter is a multi-brand dealership.

Also, since you're already up to 60,000-km, you might want to prepare for the timing belt replacement that the casa (Wheels) suggests getting done at 70,000-km.

rockinrobin::: Are you asking about the differences between the Gen 1 Carnival and the Sedona?

The Sedona was introduced late 2001 or early 2002. I don't know what changes they made to the engine. My old service advisor told me that the oil pump chain of the 2002 Sedona has already been improved because the previous ones in the Gen 1 Carnival were prone to breaking. As for features, all I know is that the sliding doors of the Gen 1 Carnival don't lock in place when they're open while those of the Sedona do.

hinlog::: I live in Pangasinan and I usually have my PMS done at our local Shell station because it has very good mechanics. Other places where you might get good service are Servitek and reputable local mechanics.

Just check your manual for the engine oil specifications and make sure that what you get meets or exceeds these specs. I use Shell Rimula-X since I have the oil changed every 5,000-km. I've been using it for over 1-1/2 years and th oil performs well for my usual highway driving routine.

Other items to buy beforehand are the air filter and engine oil filter, as well as the fuel filter if you are so inclined to have it changed every PMS (depends on how clean your diesel fuel source is). Also, while the van is up on the lifter you might as well check for any leaks under the engine bay and at the four wheels (shocks, brakes, boots, etc.). I also use this opportunity to remove small stones that get lodged between my tire treads

[IJD180]

Bisoy,
My previous carnival had that shaking problem whenever I do emergency braking, pero pag normal braking ok naman. I had thefront pads changed and the front brake discs refaced. and the shaking problem went away.