The Kia Sedona/Carnival Thread [ARCHIVE]

**mikey177** · September 2nd, 2005 09:27 PM

Hey altec, that's some very impressive detective work you did. Congratulations on finding the cause of your Carnival's engine trouble.

P.S.

Pabaunan mo ng extra beer si diesoline para makapag-uwi sya dito sa Pangasinan

**benchph1** · September 2nd, 2005 11:01 PM

diesoline: ayos di ba. nice to see new carnival peeps joining in. i also noticed pinalitan na ang thread title. thanks mods.

i have a question: magkaiba ba ang door handles ng carnival at sedona? pinapalitan ko sa Kia quezon avenue and hindi nila napalitan kasi daw magkaiba ang sa sedona at sa carnival? doesn't look different to me. well maybe from the outside. ininspect ko pa talaga ung sedona sa showroom at yung carnival namin. didn't see any difference.

**Trendy08** · September 3rd, 2005 01:46 AM

sir leolop,
a bit more than 3k inabot. refill ng shocks with nitro (all 4, 800/piece FR, 600/piece RR), tsaka palit ng mga bushings ng shocks and torsion bar. 60 pesos lang isa yung sa shock end bushing (sa wheels binili). mga 4 hours ginawa. yung refilled shocks, ok naman sa ngyon running at 32 psi, "mejo" stiff lang naman pag ako lang magisa but I'll not have it adjusted kasi pag mejo loaded tama lang iyon. overall, so far ok yung refill, laking tipid instead of replacing it, ok sa zee.

sir altec,
glad to hear na fuel lang and nothing to do with the injection pump yung problem.

pwede cguro ipost sa isang site tapos download na lang namin. or bunch of emails ok din, gmail or yahoo ay mataas ang max attachment size => 10 MB. by batch cguro mga 4 emails.
kung di kaya via electronic means...CD na lang via post office, ok lang ba sir? pwede cguro kami magdeposit sa isang bank account to cover the mailing cost. or pwede din gcash!
sir interested din ako sa manual nung HU, pang alpine ba yan, yung stock ng carnival II?

**leolop** · September 3rd, 2005 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by benchph1

diesoline: ayos di ba. nice to see new carnival peeps joining in. i also noticed pinalitan na ang thread title. thanks mods.

i have a question: magkaiba ba ang door handles ng carnival at sedona? pinapalitan ko sa Kia quezon avenue and hindi nila napalitan kasi daw magkaiba ang sa sedona at sa carnival? doesn't look different to me. well maybe from the outside. ininspect ko pa talaga ung sedona sa showroom at yung carnival namin. didn't see any difference.

na try mo ba magtanong sa wheels, fronte or seiring? maybe they have the part. oo nga, parang pareho lang naman yung exterior handle.

the interior driver door handle on my carnival 2 nasira, pinapalitan ko sa wheels. P500 OEM plus labor P375.50.

**bisoy** · September 3rd, 2005 10:33 AM

hi peeeeeeps :D i got my carnival yday afternoon.... and guess what..... di na ako naka log in ulit! nandun lang ako sa van! hahahahahahaha i am very thankful for this thread coz everything i wanted to know abt the van is here and it sure did help me decide which van to purchase. lahat ng sinabi nyo dito ay tama! grabe... bilib ako sa inyo! keep this up guys. im sure may ibang mga new comers dyan pareho sa akin na mag benefit dito. thanks!

here are my first few experiences / observations sa carnival ko:

1) di naman sya ganun ka mausok. although pag naka idle sya, mas may usok siyang nilalabas compared to my isuzu pick up. pero when i rev it up naman o ihataw ko, wala naman..... am contented with it

2) i live n a hilly area and when i went home last night, apat kami nakasakay at wala syang problema mag overtake ng petrol cars! ok sya sa power considering na naka econo mode pa ako. ill be currently running on econo so i can compare it with its fuel consumption sa power mode. i will post them as soon as i have the data na. kaso lang, hindi ito daily driver kaya medyo matagal ang mga succeeding fil ups niya.

3) wala ba tayong solution sa rear door para mabuksan ng tao from the inside? my seat configuration is parang crosswind type kasi.

4) i noticed na yung sandalan ng seats sa pinaka likod (yung magkaharap) ay hindi naka sabit sa sidings. dapat ba ito nakasabit? coz i can see na may pwedeng lagyan ng bolt kasi. right now, naka ipit lang yung lower portion nya sa upuan kaya nagagasgas yung sidings sa gilid ng sandalan. sayang talaga coz maraming gasgas! may clip ba to or something?

5) di ako na disappoint..... alagang alaga nga yung van.... klaro sa upholstery, engine bay, etc.... whew.... sana walang surprises

6) i noticed na pag may lubak na medyo malalim, may unusual sound sa front suspension. pero kung maliit lang na lubak, ok naman sya. naka pagsakay ako ng staex dati and i think yung problema sa friend ko was the torsion bar? ito rin ba ang masirain sa front suspension ng carnival? o puro bushings lang ang problema? any idea how much these costs?

7) the steering is a little wimpy.... not sure if its the right term pero yung tipong hindi sya kapit na kapit when making a sudden turn. eto ba yung sinasabi nyong understeer?

8) any idea how much pa convert ng captain seats sa 2nd row and bench sa 3rd row? kanino ako mag order nyan? salpak lang yun diba?

grabe.... gusto ko na mag sunday pare kalikutin ko na yun! hahahahaha thanks guys and keep it coming!

**diesoline** · September 4th, 2005 10:25 AM

i betcha all that bisoy won't be posting anything today...

bisoy, have fun!

altec: that cebu thing was just a spur of the moment wish. i hope i really do get there within the year. tambak kasi ako sa work lately kaya pati posts ko dito damay. hehehe! but then, that offer of cebu lechon is very hard to resist.

methinks i can jumpstart an atkins diet regimen with altec's lechons! altec, baka magulat ka na lang one day that you will see a sedona/carnival caravan parked infront of your doorstep!

**altec** · September 4th, 2005 10:30 AM

I posted this originally in the biodiesel rulez section, and will also post this over at my thread at kotse.com. for the info of my carnival fans here following my biodiesel research.

update ko lang kayo regarding that problem that you read. Last friday, I've narrowed down the problem to the quality of diesel, instead of previous insinuations by parties I talked to that the problem could be from CME. Crosschecking our files when the fuel knock started on my kia, it somehow was in the same time period when my motorpool reported several canters injection pump becoming noisy plus other problems. As we used several diesel suppliers for our overhead diesel tank, we have tentatively pointed our finger to PETRON. When we called up their representative, sabi nila what they supplied us was automotive grade, not industrial grade, at 54 cetane. I called up the Kia advisor to inform him of my theory na nagstart yung fuel knock when I loaded with petron-sourced diesel (twice ako naka refuel from that particular delivery), nagulat ako when he said he also received complaints from other owners of petron diesel being dirty. But it is hard to say it is only petron because we get diesel from 3 different suppliers, whoever quotes us the best rates at that point in time. The fuel knock I suspect is not due to the dumi, pero with the cetane rating. Could be kulang sa 54 ang actual delivery, or 54 is too low for some diesel engines. Kasi the 2nd of 3 suppliers I have reports theirs is 56 cetane.

My motorpool mechanic then showed me a removed 2 month old vic fuel filter that was so dirty, and the diesel we used to wash the filter was also dirty!

Considering that CME or whatever additive we may use purportedly to improve our smoke emissions, the next thing I want to highlight to biodiesel users and would be users, is that if we use unusually dirty diesel (even though it is commonly assumed that Philippine diesel is dirty), the use of CME or any additives will create more problems with fuel filter clogging because CME will clean out these sediments which will be caught by the fuel filter. But if we continue to load dirty diesel, kawawa ang filters natin.

I am going to talk to our diesel suppliers again next week. Sayang lang ang pag halo ko ng cocodiesel sa diesel namin. Before we will reload our overhead tank, we will clean out the overhead tank first to determine the extent of the dirt and sediments.

Another thing we have to worry about- in the course of my investigation, nagulat ako when one of those I talked to, said that he knows a gas station owner who caught one of the delivery trucks deliberately delivering him adulterated diesel. Adulterated with water. Whenever this trucker is used, he is always delayed by almost an hour to travel from the depot to his gas station. When delivered one day, he used his water meter checker and discovered water in the tanker! He eventually found out this trucker would get around 2 carboys (or a total of 40 liters) of diesel, and replace it with 40 liters of water. So when it is pumped into the station's tanks, the total liters will tally.

The point I am driving at is that whether the diesel is watered down, dirty, or adulterated with industrial grade, we will not know until it is too late. And the use of CME may only accelerate the emergence of these hidden problems.

**altec** · September 4th, 2005 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by diesoline

altec: that cebu thing was just a spur of the moment wish. i hope i really do get there within the year. tambak kasi ako sa work lately kaya pati posts ko dito damay. hehehe! but then, that offer of cebu lechon is very hard to resist. methinks i can jumpstart an atkins diet regimen with altec's lechons! altec, baka magulat ka na lang one day that you will see a sedona/carnival caravan parked infront of your doorstep!

Uy, ang galing niyan kung magkita kita yung mga kotse natin, biro mo as far north as baguio(diesoline) and pangasinan (mikey), to as far south as cagayan de oro (bisoy) plus everybody else in Metro Manila. Tapos sabay sabay tayo mag rev ng mga makina natin to 3K rpm, para magcompare kung sino mas konti o mas maraming usok!

OT- ok yang atkins na yan. Para save sa carrying weight sa carnival natin. Actually, I did that atkins thing with some variations over 5 years ago. I lost 25 lbs in 1 month, kasi utos ng doctor to lose weight. I only realized last year na south beach pala yung nagawa kong variation ng atkins. So until now, I enjoy lechon without worrying about gaining too much weight. Di pa hirap ang sedona ko

**benchph1** · September 4th, 2005 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by leolop

na try mo ba magtanong sa wheels, fronte or seiring? maybe they have the part. oo nga, parang pareho lang naman yung exterior handle.

the interior driver door handle on my carnival 2 nasira, pinapalitan ko sa wheels. P500 OEM plus labor P375.50.

exterior door handle yung nasira sa akin. 1,200 ang quote ng delta motors west. without installation pa yun.

try ko lang sagutin mga tanung ni bisoy:

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1) di naman sya ganun ka mausok. although pag naka idle sya, mas may usok siyang nilalabas compared to my isuzu pick up. pero when i rev it up naman o ihataw ko, wala naman..... am contented with it

2) i live n a hilly area and when i went home last night, apat kami nakasakay at wala syang problema mag overtake ng petrol cars! ok sya sa power considering na naka econo mode pa ako. ill be currently running on econo so i can compare it with its fuel consumption sa power mode. i will post them as soon as i have the data na. kaso lang, hindi ito daily driver kaya medyo matagal ang mga succeeding fil ups niya.

3) wala ba tayong solution sa rear door para mabuksan ng tao from the inside? my seat configuration is parang crosswind type kasi.

- unfortunately wala. original design kasi ng carnival/sedona ay 7 seater van na bench type talaga ang rear seats, so yung mga rear passengers ay talagang papasok at lalabas sa sliding doors.
4) i noticed na yung sandalan ng seats sa pinaka likod (yung magkaharap) ay hindi naka sabit sa sidings. dapat ba ito nakasabit? coz i can see na may pwedeng lagyan ng bolt kasi. right now, naka ipit lang yung lower portion nya sa upuan kaya nagagasgas yung sidings sa gilid ng sandalan. sayang talaga coz maraming gasgas! may clip ba to or something?

5) di ako na disappoint..... alagang alaga nga yung van.... klaro sa upholstery, engine bay, etc.... whew.... sana walang surprises

6) i noticed na pag may lubak na medyo malalim, may unusual sound sa front suspension. pero kung maliit lang na lubak, ok naman sya. naka pagsakay ako ng staex dati and i think yung problema sa friend ko was the torsion bar? ito rin ba ang masirain sa front suspension ng carnival? o puro bushings lang ang problema? any idea how much these costs?

probably the rack ends or ball joints. mcpherson strut type ngapala ang front suspension ng carnival. si altec ba o si diesoline yung naka try kay zee carplus? ask them.

7) the steering is a little wimpy.... not sure if its the right term pero yung tipong hindi sya kapit na kapit when making a sudden turn. eto ba yung sinasabi nyong understeer?

the suspension "tuning" of the carnival is biased on the soft side, well it is a people carrier anyway. that explains the body roll you experience when you make a sudden turn.

8) any idea how much pa convert ng captain seats sa 2nd row and bench sa 3rd row? kanino ako mag order nyan? salpak lang yun diba?

dati may promo sa delta motors marikina. conversion from 10 seater to 7 seater configuration: 15,000 pesos all in excluding installation. tanung mo na lang sa mga dealerships.

Hope that helps

**bisoy** · September 5th, 2005 08:26 AM

diesoline, ang galing mo! di nga ako nag post kahapon! hahahahahahaha super busy pare..... busy para kalikutin yung carnival ko! hahahahahahaha

bench, thanks for the reply pero am in cdo kasi so yung delta motors and zee plus wala sa amin dito. its ok, we have a dealership here and ill check them out. there's also a reputable shop here whom i think ill have my suspension checked.

eto pa pala mga experiences ko guys...

1) i noticed that the 2nd row seats are the swiveling type. pero may nilagay silang lock sa pull-release lever para hindi ma-pull. the lock looks like pwede naman tanggalin. try kong tanggalin one of these days para ma swivel yung upuan. why do u guys think they put a lock para hindi magamit yung swivel mechanism ng benches?

2) hindi ako kuntento sa aircon. hindi naman yung tipong mainit sa loob ng van pero the air coming out from the vent is not that cold in the first place. hindi ko macompare sa ibang carnival vans.... i compared it to my other rides lang. ano sa inyo? freezing cold ba?

3) sobrang lakas ng ulan yday. may tulo sasakyan ko! :D seriously, may tumulo nga sa upper left windshield. may DIY ba nito like putting a silicon sealant? may silicon sealant kasi ako sa house. i never got to check it out coz sobrang lakas ng ulan. so i jst parked the car nalang.

4) naka econo mode sya ngayon and i noticed that below 2k rpm, ang hina ng response! normal ba to?

5) left side mirror has been changed to an ordinary mirror kaya nakakahilo tingnan. may nabibili bang mirror lang or we have to change the whole assembly?

6) i bought a surplus turbo timer. any of you guys installed one in your ride? any advise? brand pala is FET. have you heard of this? its pretty small lang... about the size of a woman's powder kit pero mas mataba ng konte.

7) i noticed some parts sa engine compartment may tatak na "made in japan"

is this normal? heh heh

thanks for reading mga fafi. keep your comments and suggestions coming....