The Kia Sedona/Carnival Thread [ARCHIVE]

[yapoy86]

mga sirs, whats the initial symptoms of that oil chain/ oil pump problem, paki describe naman po para at least pag na experience namin ay maagapan agad... san po ba located sa engine yan part na yan?? gaano po ba ka lakas yung "grinding sound"?? kailangan ba na tanggal yung buong engine sa car??

Sir UTAKABO info naman po dyan on repair cost and other relative info on that... di ba dapat may makikita ka na mga grinded metals nung nag change oil?? wala po ba naging noticeable indications like medyo matagal mawala yung oil pressure indicator??

also warning to those who will replace their timing belts, i bought kia carnival timing belt sa fronte and they gave me the "replacement part" which is GATES brand, orig din daw yun kaso hindi lang daw dumaan sa quality check ng MOBIS, mura eh 2,500 lang kaya binili ko, nung ikabit ok naman kaso nung 3rd time na engine start biglang may tumunog na parang pumipitik, nung buksan ulit eh bumigay pala yung timing belt, konti na lang putol na kung nag rebolusyon pa yung makina eh siguradong sabog sabog ang makina ko...

ayun binalik ko sa fronte buti pinalitan, hanap tuloy ako nung talagang orig na made in germany, CONTITECH ang brand.. mahal pala to 3,700 per piece pati mga timing bearings and tensioners ang mahal kasi made in germany lahat para pala german car itong J3 engine... all in all umabot ng 10k ang gastos kasama labor..

use nyo lang lagi CONTITECH brand yung GATES kasi malambot eh.. putol agad..

[utakabo]

i hope im not right, but that "grinding" noise sounds similar to what happened to our carnival..ended up replacing A LOT of parts that concerns the oil chain and other related parts. brace yourself. it costs 30K. discounted.

so far parts quotation is around 15k then labor and machine shop.

mga sirs, whats the initial symptoms of that oil chain/ oil pump problem, paki describe naman po para at least pag na experience namin ay maagapan agad... san po ba located sa engine yan part na yan?? gaano po ba ka lakas yung "grinding sound"?? kailangan ba na tanggal yung buong engine sa car??

Sir UTAKABO info naman po dyan on repair cost and other relative info on that... di ba dapat may makikita ka na mga grinded metals nung nag change oil?? wala po ba naging noticeable indications like medyo matagal mawala yung oil pressure indicator??

use nyo lang lagi CONTITECH brand yung GATES kasi malambot eh.. putol agad..

it is on the right side under the engine. if the oil pan is removed you should see it right away. as for the symptoms wala naman akong napansin, except for the grinding sound which started very faintly and would go right away after the engine has warmed up. it suddenly got worse (the sound got louder and wouldn't go away) when it was used in going to batangas (maybe because of the sustained high speed driving). i did not notice any loss in power nor higher fuel consumption. i'm sure merong ribaba dun sa used oil the first time i changed oil (the unit is a second hand and had just accumulated 10k under my watch) but unfortunately i did not inspect it. (note to all of us: inspect the used oil engine - there is a strong toy magnet that is being sold on the streets, dipping it for a few seconds would capture a lot if there are metal bits in there).

[boquito]

sir diesoline: Thank you for the input. My Sedonna is TDIC M/T. I guess sobrang layo pala ng pagka"off" ng speedometer ko. Ang sarap pala ng CRDI, 100 Kph at
~ 2000 rpm. I really should have just waited until I found a CRDI.

sir mikey: Thanks, too. I was so inspired by your pictures of the engine number, I decided to get five stencils of them, by myself. I decided to remove and clean the intake manifold too, as advocated by sir rodski. To hit 2 birds with one stone. I started after lunch and by 10 pm, I was almost crying. I have good pictures of the gunk and engine number, though, to post here at another time together with a very long story, so no regrets. Sir, I would really like to visit La Via Taza Cafe (i hope I got this right) when I am in the area. I am so tired of eating breakfast at one particular place in Dagupan everytime. Where can I find it and what time do you open. Sorry OT.

Sir yapoy: Galing ng mga very informative post mo. I am also experiencing a very slight jerky response from the van in response to the accelerator after I had the clutch disk replaced. Even at the highway, and even if I step on it gently. It occurs after about 2 cm down as I depress the accelerator. My wife winds up getting nauseaus after a long trip. Did replacing the timing belt work? TIA

[mikey177]

sir mikey: Thanks, too. I was so inspired by your pictures of the engine number, I decided to get five stencils of them, by myself. I decided to remove and clean the intake manifold too, as advocated by sir rodski. To hit 2 birds with one stone. I started after lunch and by 10 pm, I was almost crying. I have good pictures of the gunk and engine number, though, to post here at another time together with a very long story, so no regrets. Sir, I would really like to visit La Via Taza Cafe (i hope I got this right) when I am in the area. I am so tired of eating breakfast at one particular place in Dagupan everytime. Where can I find it and what time do you open.

Hehe, nakakaiyak talaga mag-stencil ng engine number ng Sedona. Akala ko ako lang yung nahirapan kasi hindi ako ganun ka-mechanically inclined. Anyway, it was a good learning experience for me

Regarding the speedometer, I just had a chance to hit 100 kph again on the highway, and for my TDIC MT, I am at around 2400 rpm when traveling at 100 kph. Masarap nga siguro ang CRDi na Carnival.

OT: La Pia Taza Cafe is at the right side of MacArthur Highway if you're northbound, about 700 meters before Max's Restaurant. Pag nalagpasan mo na yung Al's Restaurant, kailangan mo na mag-reduce speed, kasi malamang na lumagpas ka kung mabilis takbo mo, dahil natatakpan ng konti yung signage namin nung katabing business establishment.

We are open from around 10 a.m. to 10 p.m. daily. If you want to, send me a PM if you're planning a trip up north, and I'll see if I can meet up with you at the coffee shop sometime.

[yapoy86]

I am also experiencing a very slight jerky response from the van in response to the accelerator after I had the clutch disk replaced. Even at the highway, and even if I step on it gently. It occurs after about 2 cm down as I depress the accelerator. My wife winds up getting nauseaus after a long trip. Did replacing the timing belt work? TIA

Replacing timing belt didn't work.. although i have stable idling now.. before nung hindi pa napapalitan eh nagbabago idling speed ng engine pero slight lang.. medyo maluwag na din kasi yung timing belt (space between teeths)

yung jerking response ay slight lang din naman, i only notice this when you use the engine break or suddenly step on the accelerator..

although i have consulted different diesel shops, they say ok naman diesel pump ko kasi ganda daw ng idling and walang palyado...

as per my observation, this problem is caused by the transmission and transaxle excessive backlash (excessive gear to gear distance caused by wear and tear) and this maybe common to FWD vehicles with transverse engine position since the engine movement during acceleration or engine break is parallel to the transaxle unlike in RWD where in the movement is perpendicular... The backlash will cause the engine to jerk since there is "space" between gear teeth...if you step slightly on the accelerator, the teeth will set first then you can accelerate.. but when the teeth are not on sel, the engine will have the opportunity to give the transmission sudden force/torque and this sudden torque will be absorbed by the clutch disc springs and engine supports causing the jerking action...

I observed this same problem with my Kuya's toyota vios... when the car was still new, i do not feel the jerk since the gears and CV joints are still tight, but after 50,000 kms i already fell the same jerk as to my carnival although mas amplified lang yun sa carnival since its diesel engine and heavier than that of the vios... diesel engines have stronger engine breaks compared to gas engines maybe this causes the excessive wear and tear on our trans gears and axle drives.. well we just need to step on the gas accelerator slightly and avoid sudden engine breaks..

[celd15b]

dont know how to post...na reply ko ata ang thread..heheheh
anyways

hey guys...newbie here..i have some questions re: sedona or carnival

1. im planning to buy a second hand local unit, is it worth it? around 2001 ls model...
2. reading some post here, problematic ba talaga ang sedona/carnival?
in terms of repairs, etc?
3. is it really expensive to maintain this vehicle?
4. if i do buy a 2nd hand unit, what DO I LOOK FOR? and WHAT DO I ASK THE OWNER re: parts replace...


tnxs...hope to hear from u guys......

[francisy2003]

Hello everyone,

Tulong lang po... Can anyone help me in getting a copy of a carnival's owners manual I have a 2000 carnival/diesel with manual transmission. Sana po meron taga San Pedro Laguna area (where I live) para mas madali or from Makati/Paranaque/laspinas area (okey din po). Puede po ba na mahiram lang sandali at pa photo copy lang po or scan ko na lang kung puede.

Please PM me or txt me sa 0927-311-5340 so I can call you. Maraming salamat po in advance.

[hinlog]

hi,

May I know how often do you submit your Kia Car for tune-up? As I know, for gas engine, every 5K, but for diesel? Is it true that only Kia CASA shops can do the tune-up for our diesel Kia Car? tia.

[utakabo]

Hello everyone,

Tulong lang po... Can anyone help me in getting a copy of a carnival's owners manual I have a 2000 carnival/diesel with manual transmission. Sana po meron taga San Pedro Laguna area (where I live) para mas madali or from Makati/Paranaque/laspinas area (okey din po). Puede po ba na mahiram lang sandali at pa photo copy lang po or scan ko na lang kung puede.

Please PM me or txt me sa 0927-311-5340 so I can call you. Maraming salamat po in advance.

please look for the link at page 88 of this thread. it is for sedona pero halos pareho lang naman.

btw, my ride is running again although di pa pwedeng pang-malayo.

anghirap maghanap ng oil pump, good thing my mechanic was able to find a surplus at banawe. i'll post the name of the shop and contact number as soon as i am able to get the receipts.(just call them up and give them the vehicle model so they can find the right unit to chop-chop joke lang, legit po ung shop)

happy motoring to all and may we all have a reflective Holy Week.

[xTrememan]

Guys gusto ko po malaman yung latest variants available and their prices for the new Kia Carnival. Anyone who got updates?

[benchph1]

nasa new carnival thread yung variants ng bagong carnival xtrememan.

afaik, lx swb, ex swb, ex lwb

[francisy2003]

Sir utakabo,

tried going to page 88 kaso file could not be found na po sa **********.. Any more sites I can go to to download the carnival/sedona manual. Salamat po uli...

[utakabo]

francisy2003: sorry i didn't check, anyway i will try to look after the weekend if i still have a soft copy in my office, e-mail ko na lang sa'yo. but if you are anywhere near ortigas center i can let you borrow and photocopy my printout.

the shop that i mentioned in my previous post is carmont trading located at 460 banawe st. tel no. 423-7150

[celd15b]

dont know how to post...na reply ko ata ang thread..heheheh
anyways

hey guys...newbie here..i have some questions re: sedona or carnival

1. im planning to buy a second hand local unit, is it worth it? around 2001 ls model...
2. reading some post here, problematic ba talaga ang sedona/carnival?
in terms of repairs, etc?
3. is it really expensive to maintain this vehicle?
4. if i do buy a 2nd hand unit, what DO I LOOK FOR? and WHAT DO I ASK THE OWNER re: parts replace...


tnxs...hope to hear from u guys......

wala po ba pwedeng mag reply sa questions ko?
tnx

[mikey177]

...hey guys...newbie here..i have some questions re: sedona or carnival

1. im planning to buy a second hand local unit, is it worth it? around 2001 ls model...
2. reading some post here, problematic ba talaga ang sedona/carnival?
in terms of repairs, etc?
3. is it really expensive to maintain this vehicle?
4. if i do buy a 2nd hand unit, what DO I LOOK FOR? and WHAT DO I ASK THE OWNER re: parts replace...

If you read through this entire thread, you'll find that most owners have had problems with their Carnivals at one time or another, although the Gen 2 Carnival seems to have less problems than the Gen 1.

The Carnival is problematic in terms of repairs because spare parts are sometimes difficult to come by, and some problems, particularly regarding the engine, are difficult to diagnose.

If you find a unit that runs well, it will not be expensive to maintain --regular PMS lang every 5,000 kilometers. However, when a problem comes up... I for one am keeping my fingers crossed. My Carnival is almost 6 years old and has nearly 180,000 kilometers on its odometer, and I haven't had major engine trouble yet.

If you do look for a second hand unit, I'd recommend looking for a Gen 2 model. Check the mileage and see if the physical appearance of the van tallies with the reading on the odometer.

If the unit has logged over 70,000 kilometers, then the owner should have had the timing belt replaced already. Let the owner drive the van for you --see if he observed proper warm-up and cooldown protocols for the turbocharger. By this I mean that the van should be driven slowly from a cold start until the engine reaches normal operating temperature. Also, after a strenuous drive, the engine should be allowed to cool down while in idle for at least 2 minutes (for relaxed driving without engaging the turbo, the manual states that the engine can be turned off immediately, but Carnival owners on the forum are of the consensus that a cooldown period of even just 1 minute would be better than none at all).

Check for unusual grinding noises, squeaks, squeals, puddles of lubricant or oil stains on the garage floor, uneven tire wear, condition of suspension components, pulling power, white or black smoke coming from the tailpipe, and all the other things you usually evaluate on a second hand vehicle. Happy hunting.

...May I know how often do you submit your Kia Car for tune-up? As I know, for gas engine, every 5K, but for diesel? Is it true that only Kia CASA shops can do the tune-up for our diesel Kia Car? tia.

For the 2002 Carnival, PMS interval is also every 5,000 kilometers. I have my unit serviced at my suking gas station since the 5,000-km PMS only involves a change oil, oil filter and air cleaner element. I only bring my van to the casa every 20,000-km and 40,000-km PMS since more service items are included in this interval, such as changing the fuel filter, engine coolant, and others.

Kaya din naman gawin ang mga ito sa labas ng casa, pero mahusay kasi ang technician ng Kia Pangasinan kaya gusto ko dalhin yung van doon paminsan-minsan para ipatingin sa "specialist" kumbaga.

[boquito]

sir celd15b: I still cannot consider myself a veteran with this car since I had my sedona for only 10,000 kms but I do love the van. I think one reason this thread is this big is because most owners feel the same and I have been following it 3 years before I had mine.

When it comes to the normal parts that you regularly replace to maintain, it is relatively cheap. That is why it is important that you look for one that has had TLC from its previous owner. I agree with Sir Mikey, get the Sedona (local gen 2), because they were already able to fix most of the issues from the local Carnival (gen 1) I even believe that it looks better than new Carnival since the styling is more classic and it seems it has better kits inside. And, do get the LS. I used to complain about the plastics of the Sedona until I saw the plastics of the Fortuner. In the end it is still the best value for money as long as you don't get a lemon. Better yet, if your budget permits, get the Carnival II Crdi (imported gen 2). Remember, while it was new, critics all concede that it has the best value for money at 1.3M. Can you imagine the value you get after 4 years at one third of the price?

sir yapoy86: the "kadjot" that I feel in my Sedona is most noticeable as I am about to release my foot from the accelerator pedal. That is when we are gently thrown forward a little. And it does not matter if I do it ever so gently. Therefore everytime I slow down or about to hit the brakes it happens (except when I am holding down the clutch).Could it still be the same problem? Can't this be fixed? Thanks again.

sir mikey: we may be going to Dagupan again this weekend. Instead of passing by Camiling I will just pass by Urdaneta instead. We usually arrive early but I will try to make at your Cafe when it is open, it is usually hard to tell exactly when we arrive. I will just introduce myself, if we get to see you when you are there (after I pay the bill, of course). I know now why my rpm is so high when my kph is low: I did notice that you and sir diesoline wrote down that you were in 5th gear. Do we have 5th gear? . . . just kidding. My mechanic said it was the sensor.

[boquito]

sir francisy2003: if you happen to find yourself in Makati, near Makati Med, I may also be able to help with your manual hunt. Although, I have to say, I was so dissapointed to see our manual. There were tons of information that I was hoping to see there but was not able to find.

[diesoline]

the ********** link has expired. i hope the links below will be permanent. i also arranged the files into sections for easier downloads.


KIA CARNIVAL / SEDONA OWNER'S MANUAL

introduction

your vehicle at a glance

knowing your vehicle

driving your vehicle

driving tips

in case of an emergency

maintenance

specifications

index

[yapoy86]

[quote=boquito;1039607]sir celd15b:
sir yapoy86: the "kadjot" that I feel in my Sedona is most noticeable as I am about to release my foot from the accelerator pedal. That is when we are gently thrown forward a little. And it does not matter if I do it ever so gently. Therefore everytime I slow down or about to hit the brakes it happens (except when I am holding down the clutch).Could it still be the same problem? Can't this be fixed? Thanks again.
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well that is the "Engine Break" which can be more noticeable on diesel engines compared to gas engines... you may need to adjust your throttle cable to minimize the slack of the cable.. you can adjust it easily.. you will see a LOCK metal on the end of the cable (injection pump side) remove that and pull the cable away up to the least possible slack.. pulling too much might increase your idling speed.. once you have pulled the cable, return the LOCK metal to keep the cable in its position...

yung slack ng cable also affects yung engine response especially pag mag rock back and forth yung engine...

also you might need to change your engine supports...

normal sa front wheel driven vehicles yung backlash problem especially sa carnival kasi mabigat yung van... siguro kung magpalit ng brandnew transmission and CV joints inner and outer will solve the problem..

[yapoy86]

also does anyone here experienced with your KIA Carnival na parang may usok na pumapasok sa loob ng cabin?? lalo na pag medyo mausok yung nasa harap eh naaamoy yung usok?? assuming na good pa yung mga door seals at walang naman butas sa harapn or sa may firewall.. also assuming na naka recirculate yung aircon vents or better na if disabled na yun..