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    #2161
    Quote Originally Posted by Radical! View Post
    90% Skyway-Slex. Rush hour "traffic," Eco mode on, A/C at 22.0c, 100 kms back and fourth to work. Tollway speed limit (most of the time)
    All-time best was 20 km/l for 300++ kms same route.

    what is "rush hour traffic", po"
    Last edited by dr. d; January 9th, 2018 at 10:48 AM.

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    #2162
    This fuel consumption comparison is really more about the time taken to travel a given distance. The less time you take to travel this distance the better your fuel consumption and the more time you take to travel this distance the worse your fuel consumption.

    Two cars traveling 100km distance. One car took only an hour to travel that distance and the other took 5 hours. The more time the engine is running, the more fuel consumed.

    So, if we are comparing fuel consumption, what we are really doing is comparing traffic condition you have experienced. If I were to follow your route, we'll have the same fuel consumption.

    Your Civic is not really better than my Civic in terms of fuel consumption. It's just that the route you've taken is better than mine. Lol!

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    #2163
    Quote Originally Posted by brushless View Post
    This fuel consumption comparison is really more about the time taken to travel a given distance. The less time you take to travel this distance the better your fuel consumption and the more time you take to travel this distance the worse your fuel consumption.

    Two cars traveling 100km distance. One car took only an hour to travel that distance and the other took 5 hours. The more time the engine is running, the more fuel consumed.

    So, if we are comparing fuel consumption, what we are really doing is comparing traffic condition you have experienced. If I were to follow your route, we'll have the same fuel consumption.

    Your Civic is not really better than my Civic in terms of fuel consumption. It's just that the route you've taken is better than mine. Lol!
    This holds true for the most part, that traffic conditions really have the biggest impact on fuel consumption. However, driving technique also has a signficant impact. For example, with the exact same route (Dagupan-Damortis) and the same traffic conditions - I get about 11-12 km/L if I drive hard, 16-17 km/L if I'm gentle with the throttle. Travel time remains the same, give or take a few seconds. Worst FC I had was when I was in a big hurry and was doing 170 on some parts of that stretch - FC dropped down to 6.5 km/L as I was redlining most of the time.

    As a note though, driving technique has a bigger variance in light traffic (such as provincial roads) than it does in city gridlocks.

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    Last edited by jut703; January 10th, 2018 at 11:03 AM.

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    #2164
    My best FC so far for a provincial drive:



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    #2165
    Anyone knows the exact bulb size ng brake light, signal lights (rear) saka 3rd brake light?

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    #2166
    My new personal best for a provincial drive: 20.1 km/L on McArthur Highway! [emoji16]



    My old personal best was pretty short lived. [emoji23]
    18 km/L from Laoag to Vigan, and then 20 km/L from Vigan to San Juan LU.

    Looks like I'll be able to complete my 700 km round trip on just a 47L fuel tank.

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    #2167
    ilang liters full tank? max range ko 600km 44L 😑

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    Quote Originally Posted by jut703 View Post
    This holds true for the most part, that traffic conditions really have the biggest impact on fuel consumption. However, driving technique also has a signficant impact. For example, with the exact same route (Dagupan-Damortis) and the same traffic conditions - I get about 11-12 km/L if I drive hard, 16-17 km/L if I'm gentle with the throttle. Travel time remains the same, give or take a few seconds. Worst FC I had was when I was in a big hurry and was doing 170 on some parts of that stretch - FC dropped down to 6.5 km/L as I was redlining most of the time.

    As a note though, driving technique has a bigger variance in light traffic (such as provincial roads) than it does in city gridlocks.

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    FC will surely drop because at a much higher rpm, you burn more fuel. My comparison was simply one stuck in traffic and one having the road all to himself while driving normally.

    It's a simple guide for newbies who don't have any clue about FC. Because one time my niece was tinkering and she managed to navigate on the average FC menu. She asked why my FC is only 5.4 km/l which is so poor, thinking my unit was a lemon. LOL! I told her the car has barely been driven for 50km. To get accurate readings, the car has to travel at least 1000km. By then, I've already covered all my regular routes. Now, over 1000km, I average 11.6 km/l mix city/highway driving. Not sure I'd be proud about that. Lol!

    The Honda Civic FC are the same for all units with the same engine and with the same driving habits at a given distance.

    What really affects FC is the route you've taken, the traffic condition and how hard or gentle you step on the pedal. That's where FC varies from car to car. So, it's really best to avoid traffic at peak hours as much as possible. Otherwise, you're going to pay more for fuel rather than the guy who waited after peak where traffic flow is lighter.

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    #2169
    Hi guys, could you advise what product to use for the black exterior plastic trims and glass of this civic? Tried researching, wala ako makita, masama daw Armor all for the plastic parts, then hindi rin daw maganda yung glass cleaners na may ammonia for glass. Any help will be appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sean-archer View Post
    Hi guys, could you advise what product to use for the black exterior plastic trims and glass of this civic? Tried researching, wala ako makita, masama daw Armor all for the plastic parts, then hindi rin daw maganda yung glass cleaners na may ammonia for glass. Any help will be appreciated.

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    For glass, I use Stoner Invisible Glass cleaner. For the piano black trim, I treat them as paint and use sealants and waxes. For textured plastic, I use Meguiar's Trim Detailer. I think all of them are available at Blade.

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    #2171
    megs ultimate liquid wax is safe for plastic trims.

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    #2172
    Quote Originally Posted by dr. d View Post
    what is "rush hour traffic", po"
    Rush hour is the time of day people travel to and from work...the time of day when traffic is at it's worst.

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    #2173
    Bought the entry level Civic last December. Haven’t bought a medium sized sedan for some time and will probably be using this as a daily for awhile.

    The unit is fun to drive but the suspension takes getting used to after being used to softer rides by the bigger sedans. I miss my leather seats! But over all, quite satisfied with the unit.

    My one beef is with the center console. It should have come with a cover. Without a cover, it’s a dust magnet.

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    Not sure whether this observation was posted before, got my FC 1.8E last week and ran about 100 kilometers so far. When I inspected the car this morning, saw these white powdery substance. Seems like the fuel line (correct me if I am wrong). Brought this to the casa this afternoon, after an inspection the service/maintenance crew advised that this was somewhat common on brand new engines on the CIVIC, Mobilio, City and etc. (pretty much their bnew NA engines) to have these white powdery on these points along the fuel line. Saw two Mobilio having the same and they showed me an FC 1.8E Civic to be serviced that has no longer have that kind of residue. After a while, mawawala na rin daw yun.

    I read (non related to civic vehicles) that if you use fuel with ethanol (which absorbs moisture quickly) could create this effect, which if you think about it could be corrosive, yes? Advise please.


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    #2175
    Cover? ... like a cellphone pouch? ... or like a water bottle dispenser cover? ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter View Post
    Cover? ... like a cellphone pouch? ... or like a water bottle dispenser cover? ...
    Hindi eh, powdery substance talaga. Actually pinunasan at tinanggal na. Will observe kung mag reoccur

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    Quote Originally Posted by tom23 View Post
    Not sure whether this observation was posted before, got my FC 1.8E last week and ran about 100 kilometers so far. When I inspected the car this morning, saw these white powdery substance. Seems like the fuel line (correct me if I am wrong). Brought this to the casa this afternoon, after an inspection the service/maintenance crew advised that this was somewhat common on brand new engines on the CIVIC, Mobilio, City and etc. (pretty much their bnew NA engines) to have these white powdery on these points along the fuel line. Saw two Mobilio having the same and they showed me an FC 1.8E Civic to be serviced that has no longer have that kind of residue. After a while, mawawala na rin daw yun.

    I read (non related to civic vehicles) that if you use fuel with ethanol (which absorbs moisture quickly) could create this effect, which if you think about it could be corrosive, yes? Advise please.

    Normal lang yan.

    Here are the possible reasons,

    1. Leak detector - that fuel line is the last piece they join after they marry the engine and the body. Easier to spot a leak during inspection.

    2. Or a sign/signal that those joints were already inspected during assembly checklist. Same purpose for those yellow, purple, red markings sa nuts, bolts, fittings, etc.


    Ethanol theory is very different. Trust me, I've been running 4years on E-85(ordinary pump fuel is E-10 only) on my race car. The frequent issue was rusted fuel pump and clogged/rusted fuel injectors. Using it as sunday car or once a month doesnt help either. I havent experience that white residue in any of my fittings.

    Addressed those issues na by switching to E85 safe injectors and fuel pump. $$$

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    #2178
    Quote Originally Posted by Janemar View Post
    Normal lang yan.

    Here are the possible reasons,

    1. Leak detector - that fuel line is the last piece they join after they marry the engine and the body. Easier to spot a leak during inspection.

    2. Or a sign/signal that those joints were already inspected during assembly checklist. Same purpose for those yellow, purple, red markings sa nuts, bolts, fittings, etc.


    Ethanol theory is very different. Trust me, I've been running 4years on E-85(ordinary pump fuel is E-10 only) on my race car. The frequent issue was rusted fuel pump and clogged/rusted fuel injectors. Using it as sunday car or once a month doesnt help either. I havent experience that white residue in any of my fittings.

    Addressed those issues na by switching to E85 safe injectors and fuel pump. $$$
    Quite helpful, thank you!

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    #2179
    Quote Originally Posted by tom23 View Post
    Not sure whether this observation was posted before, got my FC 1.8E last week and ran about 100 kilometers so far. When I inspected the car this morning, saw these white powdery substance. Seems like the fuel line (correct me if I am wrong). Brought this to the casa this afternoon, after an inspection the service/maintenance crew advised that this was somewhat common on brand new engines on the CIVIC, Mobilio, City and etc. (pretty much their bnew NA engines) to have these white powdery on these points along the fuel line. Saw two Mobilio having the same and they showed me an FC 1.8E Civic to be serviced that has no longer have that kind of residue. After a while, mawawala na rin daw yun.

    I read (non related to civic vehicles) that if you use fuel with ethanol (which absorbs moisture quickly) could create this effect, which if you think about it could be corrosive, yes? Advise please.

    Same issue encountered. Pinunasan ko lang, sir. Hindi na ulit bumalik yung powdery substance.

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    #2180
    weird yan ah. document it.. for claims after several years

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