Remote bypass oil filtration

[MrQ5]

Up ko lang din tanong ko kay Doc,
Re: Caltex delo 400 15W-40 isosyn CI-4+, how would rate this oil? TIA

[dvldoc]

I posted on it back several pages ago, But it's one of the better oils out there, It's only Group II but it has a high TBN, and Zinc around 1500ppm (very high) so it gives excellent protection. This oil is for Fleet service so it will run 12000klm to 15000kml without to much problems with a good filter.

[miko101130]

RT,
Regarding Zic A 10w40 oil, after using it for 50km, im contented with it. car is running really smooth.

Good to hear that sir, bro update mo ako sa performance nang Zic A with your ride and kung gaganda mileage, thanks

[G01]

P800, parang motul na yan ah.. I suggest sir kung magawi ka sa Cash and Carry P440 lang ang Mobil1 TDT..

Saan po location ng Cash and Carry, sir? I seldom go down Manila and if I do usually balikan ang lakad ko.

The mobil 1 performed poorly in that test due to it's API SM API rating

Vavoline Blue has a TBN of 13.5 it's for commercial truck use, it's fleet oil designed for extended oil changes.
Phosphorus 1197ppm
Zinc 1395ppm
Molybdenum 88ppm
Boron 142ppm
Sodium 2ppm
Calcium 3076ppm
Magnesium 10ppm

Strong Anti-friction and cleaning package.

Compare with Delvac 1 which is OK oil, the Calcium level is way way to low to use one diesels in the Philippines, Fine for gas engine but your going to get a sludge monster using 1/4 the calcium as normal diesel oils.

TBN is only 10

Wow! Mobil 1 Delvac's Calcium level is way below the Universal Average of 2365.

Got this data from the Internet (I forgot which site). This data may be for the Valvoline Premium Blue 5w/40 which is a few pesos cheaper than the Mobil 1 Delvac 5w/40 available at Ace hardware SM Baguio:

Valvoline Premium Blue TBN 11.6
Calcium 3964
Magnesium 14
Phosphorous 1468
Zinc 1541
Boron 148
Molybdenum 112

I will definitely switch to Valvoline on my next oil change. Thanks for the reply, Doc .

[dvldoc]

I got that from a Virgin oil sample from Blackstone. The results will vary a bit depending on what lab does the test.

It's this one here. might be different than the one they sell there.
[IMG]http://hard****ing.com_www.maxlifeoil.com/admin/p10.png[/IMG]


But it looks like the formulation has changed since last year, They have two different specs one from last year and one for this year. This is due to the API rating. And as you can see the CI-4 is superior it's TBN is 12 while the newer CJ-4 is only 10. Damm EPA!!!

http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/premium_blue.pdf (CJ-4) (The phosphorus will be limited to no greater than 1200ppm)
http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/premium_blue_classic.pdf (CI-4) (no phosphorus limit)

Fortunately you guys can't get get good stuff all day long.

I would not use the Delvac 1, on a JDM diesel , It simply cannot keep your engine as clean.

[Ry_Tower]

paleeno has stocks of Donaldson filters for my everest, but unfortunately they don't have cross for my pajero gdi.
i guess i have no option but to buy from volmax for the cross of the pajero. i emailed baldwin yesterday, they responded through my email

Don Cross
International Sales Manager
Baldwin Filters
Southeast Asia
Phone: 61409789149
Fax: 61754630366
Email: dcross*baldwinfilter.com
Web: Baldwin Filters | Home <http://www.baldwinfilter.com>

Thank you for your interest in Baldwin Filters. Im Fernando Pardo of Volmax Marketing. Kindly send me your filter inquiry & I will give you a feedback as soon as possible.

Have a great weekend ahead.

Regards,
Fernando Pardo
Volmax Marketing

So Volmax is Baldwins recognized retailer partner here in the Philippines.

im just wandering,why the international companies and fleet filters doesn't do background checks on the companies and retailers they get for their product distribution, if they regularly check their store partners i think those stores wouldn't try to sell fakes.

Companies like donaldson,baldwin and fleetguard should be more proactive in protecting their products.
it always end up to "buyers beware"

Hi sir miko, do you have the email add of Fernando Pardo of Volmax? I have a list of oil filters I want to buy from them sana in bulk.

[Ry_Tower]

I got that from a Virgin oil sample from Blackstone. The results will vary a bit depending on what lab does the test.

It's this one here. might be different than the one they sell there.
[IMG]http://hard****ing.com_www.maxlifeoil.com/admin/p10.png[/IMG]

But it looks like the formulation has changed since last year, They have two different specs one from last year and one for this year. This is due to the API rating. And as you can see the CI-4 is superior it's TBN is 12 while the newer CJ-4 is only 10. Damm EPA!!!

http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/premium_blue.pdf (CJ-4) (The phosphorus will be limited to no greater than 1200ppm)
http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/premium_blue_classic.pdf (CI-4) (no phosphorus limit)

Fortunately you guys can't get get good stuff all day long.

I would not use the Delvac 1, on a JDM diesel , It simply cannot keep your engine as clean.

Philippine website of valvoline have different msds from what you have posted dvldoc. I guess they have a different formulation for asian countries.
http://www.valvolineasia.com/Upload/...2000_15W40.pdf
http://www.valvolineasia.com/Upload/...Blue_15W40.pdf

[miko101130]

hndi ko na maalala sir ry_tower... check ko mamaya email inbox ko para mabigay ko sayo.. haha... by the way umorder ako 5 box nang mobil delvac 15w40 if anyone is interested.... nakaka hilo na... puro engine oils nasa utak koh...

[G01]

I got that from a Virgin oil sample from Blackstone. The results will vary a bit depending on what lab does the test.

It's this one here. might be different than the one they sell there.
[IMG]http://hard****ing.com_www.maxlifeoil.com/admin/p10.png[/IMG]




But it looks like the formulation has changed since last year, They have two different specs one from last year and one for this year. This is due to the API rating. And as you can see the CI-4 is superior it's TBN is 12 while the newer CJ-4 is only 10. Damm EPA!!!

http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/premium_blue.pdf (CJ-4) (The phosphorus will be limited to no greater than 1200ppm)
http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/premium_blue_classic.pdf (CI-4) (no phosphorus limit)

Fortunately you guys can't get get good stuff all day long.

I would not use the Delvac 1, on a JDM diesel , It simply cannot keep your engine as clean.

I think the ones being sold here are still CI-4 rated. Noted that Mobil 1 Delvac is not suited for our Japanese engines. It has always been my thought that since it is an expensive oil and that it is manufactured by one of the leading diesel engine oil makers then it should outperform and exceed manufacturer's engine requirements. I've been using Mobil 1 Delvac for 3 years now. Maybe that's why I observed that in just a matter of days after changing oil when I check the dipstick the oil is already black.

Hoping I can get hold of the Fleetguard or Baldwin filter before I do my oil change. If not then I will still use the OEM filter and will open up the old one to see how the OEM filter performed.

[miked]

dapat kasi magtinda Volmax at pacer sa banawe..hahaha.

isali naman ang mga probinsya sana......wag lang banawe. hikbi!

sino ba kasi pwede magpadala ng sakin?hehe

kinausap ko yung parts center ng heavy machinery dito malapit sa amin kaso di nya masabi kung magkano bigay sakin yung BD28. first time daw na may nagtanong ng fleet filter for automotive application....hehehe. kulang pa talaga sa info drive ang karamihan.

[G01]

Philippine website of valvoline have different msds from what you have posted dvldoc. I guess they have a different formulation for asian countries.
http://www.valvolineasia.com/Upload/...2000_15W40.pdf
http://www.valvolineasia.com/Upload/...Blue_15W40.pdf

At the bottom of the PDF file it says "This information only applies to products manufactured in the following location(s) – Singapore". Hoping that the Valvoline oils being sold locally has the same US specs.

I'll soon take of photo of the Valvoline oil that's available here and post it in this thread.

[crazy_boy]

isali naman ang mga probinsya sana......wag lang banawe. hikbi!

sino ba kasi pwede magpadala ng sakin?hehe

kinausap ko yung parts center ng heavy machinery dito malapit sa amin kaso di nya masabi kung magkano bigay sakin yung BD28. first time daw na may nagtanong ng fleet filter for automotive application....hehehe. kulang pa talaga sa info drive ang karamihan.

sir, wag mo sabihin na sa automotive gagamitin yung filter. sabihin mo pinabili lang sayo and ang requirement is Baldwin BD28. hehe siguro hesitant kasi sinabi mo sa automotive mo gagamitin.

[dvldoc]

I think the ones being sold here are still CI-4 rated. Noted that Mobil 1 Delvac is not suited for our Japanese engines. It has always been my thought that since it is an expensive oil and that it is manufactured by one of the leading diesel engine oil makers then it should outperform and exceed manufacturer's engine requirements. I've been using Mobil 1 Delvac for 3 years now. Maybe that's why I observed that in just a matter of days after changing oil when I check the dipstick the oil is already black.

Hoping I can get hold of the Fleetguard or Baldwin filter before I do my oil change. If not then I will still use the OEM filter and will open up the old one to see how the OEM filter performed.

It's not that it's not good oil, it's not designed for older diesels. It's for newer common rail diesel engines running on ULSD and have particulate filters. Now Delvac 1300 Super that's a different story.

The oil analysis I posted of it is from the US made version. formulation should not really vary, since they have formulation for the varying API ratings they go by.

[miko101130]

CI-4 Plus licensed lubricants are required to deliver improved soot handling and shear stability performance in all engines. These improvements enable engine oils licensed under the API CI-4 Plus specification to better withstand the severity of the latest low-emission engines.

the local delvac mx 15w40 has a tbn of 12...

[paj4x4]

RT, wasnt able to take a picture of the base anymore since it was installed yesterday. then used it for 50km last night, and took the picture lunch time today. as per my observation, no leaks naman since the side of the filter in the picture is still very clean. if theres a leak, dapat may oil marks na sa side since the filter is upside down position. hehe

Bentley sir? do you remember how much? because the cheap ones being sold in blade/ace are not that good in quality.


Regarding Zic A 10w40 oil, after using it for 50km, im contented with it. car is running really smooth.

No not Bentley. Shackles and tow strap I get from Bentley.

I got the 3.5 or 4 ton crocodile jack and 6 ton jack stands from Pemar Trading - a couple of stores after Volmax. Got the crocodile jack for P4k and the jack stands for P700-750/pc. Excellent quality. Kayang kaya even my LC 80 na mas mabigat.

[G01]

It's not that it's not good oil, it's not designed for older diesels. It's for newer common rail diesel engines running on ULSD and have particulate filters. Now Delvac 1300 Super that's a different story.

The oil analysis I posted of it is from the US made version. formulation should not really vary, since they have formulation for the varying API ratings they go by.

Good to know that because both my Strada and Sorento are CRDI engines. Never knew that there are better oils out there that are cheaper but still can outperform expensive oils if not for this thread that you authored. Thinking of doing a remote bypass oil filtration to my Strada and will be one of my future DIY mods.

CI-4 Plus licensed lubricants are required to deliver improved soot handling and shear stability performance in all engines. These improvements enable engine oils licensed under the API CI-4 Plus specification to better withstand the severity of the latest low-emission engines.

the local delvac mx 15w40 has a tbn of 12...

And it's far cheaper than the Delvac 5w/40 that has a TBN of 10 ...

[Ry_Tower]

hndi ko na maalala sir ry_tower... check ko mamaya email inbox ko para mabigay ko sayo.. haha... by the way umorder ako 5 box nang mobil delvac 15w40 if anyone is interested.... nakaka hilo na... puro engine oils nasa utak koh...

Sana mkita mo pa para mabilis transaction.

[Ry_Tower]

At the bottom of the PDF file it says "This information only applies to products manufactured in the following location(s) – Singapore". Hoping that the Valvoline oils being sold locally has the same US specs.

I'll soon take of photo of the Valvoline oil that's available here and post it in this thread.

The Valvoline i got from a distributor based in Iloilo and has a branch here has that Valvoline Blue FS P650 bentahan/ltr, CJ-rated na. Singapore daw galing stocks nila. hmmmm

*Miko: the TBN of 12 for mobil Delvac MX is for US production. Singapore Mobil delvac MX has a TBN of 10 as per my data. Where did you get the 12 TBN mSDS delvac MX?

[miko101130]

its in the material given to me by the distributor of mobil 1... kilala ko kase Official distributor nang mobil 1 lubricants dito sa Philippines...Mobil Outsourced its distribution to a marketing company,
i can vouch that the one they distribute here are with TBN of 12... singapore is only 10, ive seen that also...

Ry_tower, kung gusto mu try mu nga yung Gulf fleetforce synth, its TBN is 15.... fully synthetic diesel..

[dvldoc]

Who sells this Gulf Fleetforce oil. Any gas stations? or just a distributer?