Mineral , semi synthetic or fully synthetic?

[crazy_boy]

260-300/quart. depende sa auto supply.

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260-300/quart. depende sa auto supply.

[number001]

I don't think Delo 400 can last until 10,000 kms OCI. We used it with BD28 and the mechanic says its "burnt" or has noticeably degraded lubricating properties based on what he felt from the dip stick. Current mileage is 8,5xx from oil change.

We are going to try Rimula R3X based on miko's post. Roughly 137/liter for a 20li/pail. Its 202/liter from a gallon pitcher at the shell station.

Mobil 1 Delvac MX is 245/li

[Retz]

I don't think Delo 400 can last until 10,000 kms OCI. We used it with BD28 and the mechanic says its "burnt" or has noticeably degraded lubricating properties based on what he felt from the dip stick. Current mileage is 8,5xx from oil change.

We are going to try Rimula R3X based on miko's post. Roughly 137/liter for a 20li/pail. Its 202/liter from a gallon pitcher at the shell station.

Mobil 1 Delvac MX is 245/li

CI-4+ na ung Delo 400, If it can't reach 10K how much more if you use Rimula R3X.

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I don't think Delo 400 can last until 10,000 kms OCI. We used it with BD28 and the mechanic says its "burnt" or has noticeably degraded lubricating properties based on what he felt from the dip stick. Current mileage is 8,5xx from oil change.

We are going to try Rimula R3X based on miko's post. Roughly 137/liter for a 20li/pail. Its 202/liter from a gallon pitcher at the shell station.

Mobil 1 Delvac MX is 245/li

CI-4+ na ung Delo 400, If it can't reach 10K how much more if you use Rimula R3X.

[crazy_boy]

i think the only scientific way to know the usable life of the oil is to have it analyzed. which will cost less than 2k. and i believe this is money well spent naman if fleet yung gagamit.

[Retz]

Sir cb, diba sa packaging/contents ng oil naka indicate na doon ung mga available data of the oil characteristics? hindi ba ma determine doon ang useful life in "ideal" condition?

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Sir cb, diba sa packaging/contents ng oil naka indicate na doon ung mga available data of the oil characteristics? hindi ba ma determine doon ang useful life in "ideal" condition?

[crazy_boy]

retz, based on my limited knowledge, ang alam ko maraming factors yan. like engine condition, including kung may leak ba ng coolant. basically contamination ng oil ang nakakababa ng usable life ng oil. sama mo pa yung carbon soot.

[rna800]

Guys, I hope you could help me with my questions.

For my Civic, I still bring it to the dealer on its PMS though it already has 180k+ kms already coz Honda Fairview is near from our place. The oil that they use is the Honda VTEC LEV Fully Synthetic SL 5W-40. It is priced, the last time I had an oil change, 2,420 at 4 liters so it's 605 pesos/liter. Oil filter is OEM and I am clueless on its brand.

For my Dmax, I recently used Torco SD-5 Synthetic Diesel SAE 15W40 API CJ-4 / SM for its 80k kms PMS. It is priced at 780 per liter and they put 8 liters though there is still some left. I wanted to try Motul but they said that they don't use that brand anymore. Oil filter is OEM and I don't have a clue on its brand.

Both cars are city driven 98% of the time. Give or take, they travel 20k kms a year and 30 to 40 kms per day on the average and very seldom that they get stuck in traffic.

The question is:

For the Honda, although I am using FS oil, I still do tune up and change oil every 5k. Do you think I should extend it to 10k kms? The SA told me that I can extend it to 10k but I feel that it is too long for service. Also can the Honda OEM oil filter withstand the 10k oil change interval?

Same questions for the Dmax. But the difference is the SA told me around 8k kms before I can do my next PMS.

I don't really wanna trust everything my SA's say.hehe

Thanks, guys!

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Guys, I hope you could help me with my questions.

For my Civic, I still bring it to the dealer on its PMS though it already has 180k+ kms already coz Honda Fairview is near from our place. The oil that they use is the Honda VTEC LEV Fully Synthetic SL 5W-40. It is priced, the last time I had an oil change, 2,420 at 4 liters so it's 605 pesos/liter. Oil filter is OEM and I am clueless on its brand.

For my Dmax, I recently used Torco SD-5 Synthetic Diesel SAE 15W40 API CJ-4 / SM for its 80k kms PMS. It is priced at 780 per liter and they put 8 liters though there is still some left. I wanted to try Motul but they said that they don't use that brand anymore. Oil filter is OEM and I don't have a clue on its brand.

Both cars are city driven 98% of the time. Give or take, they travel 20k kms a year and 30 to 40 kms per day on the average and very seldom that they get stuck in traffic.

The question is:

For the Honda, although I am using FS oil, I still do tune up and change oil every 5k. Do you think I should extend it to 10k kms? The SA told me that I can extend it to 10k but I feel that it is too long for service. Also can the Honda OEM oil filter withstand the 10k oil change interval?

Same questions for the Dmax. But the difference is the SA told me around 8k kms before I can do my next PMS.

I don't really wanna trust everything my SA's say.hehe

Thanks, guys!

[nivraarvin]

*rna800

We also bring our vehicles to the casa for its PMS every six months.

For our Honda Civic, I always buy in advance the oil filter since they (Honda) charges corkage whenever I bring them the oil that I want to use. I do DIY oil change 1 day before I bring the car for its PMS. That way, Honda can still check if I the oil filter and drain bolts have leaks.

Regarding the the oil change interval, if you use good quality oil like Torco in your Dmax, I believe it wont have problems if you extend it to 10,000 kms. On the other hand, Casa "fully synthetic" oils are usually group 3 motor oils, which is actually made using mineral base oil. I wouldn't be so comfortable extending its life to 10,000 kms. Maybe you can do the test when you place a drop of oil and feel if it has grit on it. Rule of thumb they say that when you feel grit or particulates in the oil, it's time for an oil change.

[rna800]

*rna800

We also bring our vehicles to the casa for its PMS every six months.

For our Honda Civic, I always buy in advance the oil filter since they (Honda) charges corkage whenever I bring them the oil that I want to use. I do DIY oil change 1 day before I bring the car for its PMS. That way, Honda can still check if I the oil filter and drain bolts have leaks.

Regarding the the oil change interval, if you use good quality oil like Torco in your Dmax, I believe it wont have problems if you extend it to 10,000 kms. On the other hand, Casa "fully synthetic" oils are usually group 3 motor oils, which is actually made using mineral base oil. I wouldn't be so comfortable extending its life to 10,000 kms. Maybe you can do the test when you place a drop of oil and feel if it has grit on it. Rule of thumb they say that when you feel grit or particulates in the oil, it's time for an oil change.

Actually sir, I really wanna try Speedyfix and use Royal Purple oil since I have heard a lot of good reviews on it, but they are so far from our place as compared to Honda Fairview and Isuzu Commonwealth which is less than 8 kms away, 10 to 15 minute drive.

Do you think the Honda VTEC LEV Fully Synthetic SL 5W-40 is a good and quality oil and the Honda OEM oil filter a good filter as compared to Baldwin, etc? For the Torco, if it's a good quality oil and it doesn't have problems reaching 10k kms, how about the oil filter that the dealer uses? I have read that for as long as you use a good quality oil filter and paired it with a good quality oil, you could extend oil change interval.

Thanks for you rule of thumb tip!

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*rna800

We also bring our vehicles to the casa for its PMS every six months.

For our Honda Civic, I always buy in advance the oil filter since they (Honda) charges corkage whenever I bring them the oil that I want to use. I do DIY oil change 1 day before I bring the car for its PMS. That way, Honda can still check if I the oil filter and drain bolts have leaks.

Regarding the the oil change interval, if you use good quality oil like Torco in your Dmax, I believe it wont have problems if you extend it to 10,000 kms. On the other hand, Casa "fully synthetic" oils are usually group 3 motor oils, which is actually made using mineral base oil. I wouldn't be so comfortable extending its life to 10,000 kms. Maybe you can do the test when you place a drop of oil and feel if it has grit on it. Rule of thumb they say that when you feel grit or particulates in the oil, it's time for an oil change.

Actually sir, I really wanna try Speedyfix and use Royal Purple oil since I have heard a lot of good reviews on it, but they are so far from our place as compared to Honda Fairview and Isuzu Commonwealth which is less than 8 kms away, 10 to 15 minute drive.

Do you think the Honda VTEC LEV Fully Synthetic SL 5W-40 is a good and quality oil and the Honda OEM oil filter a good filter as compared to Baldwin, etc? For the Torco, if it's a good quality oil and it doesn't have problems reaching 10k kms, how about the oil filter that the dealer uses? I have read that for as long as you use a good quality oil filter and paired it with a good quality oil, you could extend oil change interval.

Thanks for you rule of thumb tip!

[nivraarvin]

*rna800

Whenever your FC comes down too much, try cleaning your air filter. If after that mejo malakas parin sa sha gas, baka kailangan mo na mag palit ng oil.

Orig naman ata gamit mo na oil filter sa dmax and honda mo. Okay naman yan.

Try mo din mag gas up sa sea oil or unioil, euro 4 kasi sila. It will help you keep your engine oil free from contaminants.

[Starex_Gold]

Palinis mo na rin MAF sensor, Throttle body at EGR (depende kung gaano na kadumi) kung malakas parin sa gas.

Ganyan ginawa namin sa 2006 FD ng barkada ko. Stuck na sya dati sa 7km/L. Pinalinis namin yun MAF sensor at throttle body * 73K kms odo. Ngayon 76K km na okay parin. Balik sa dating performance.

[rna800]

*rna800

Whenever your FC comes down too much, try cleaning your air filter. If after that mejo malakas parin sa sha gas, baka kailangan mo na mag palit ng oil.

Orig naman ata gamit mo na oil filter sa dmax and honda mo. Okay naman yan.

Try mo din mag gas up sa sea oil or unioil, euro 4 kasi sila. It will help you keep your engine oil free from contaminants.

Yes sir, the oil filters are OEM since I bring them to their respective dealers. I just hope they don't use a rebadge low quality filter and brand it in their name.

For FC, I don't measure it religiously but my Dmax gets a ball park figure of 650 something kms in about 42+ liters, pure city driving. Before I used to gas up in Seaoil but now I transferred to Unioil's Euro IV coz I feel the car responds better, smoother, lesser vibration and accelerates faster. Now that I used Torco, the performance is even better considering my CEL hasn't been fixed for more than a year coz Isuzu Commonwealth for some reason couldn't get to stock an EGR.

For the Civic, I gas up in Seaoil but I feel it gets more mileage if I use the Extreme 97, around 360+ kms as compared to 346 to 350 kms with unleaded.

I am just worried if the oil filters that they use can really withstand 10k oil change intervals considering that I am using fully synthetic oils.

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*rna800

Whenever your FC comes down too much, try cleaning your air filter. If after that mejo malakas parin sa sha gas, baka kailangan mo na mag palit ng oil.

Orig naman ata gamit mo na oil filter sa dmax and honda mo. Okay naman yan.

Try mo din mag gas up sa sea oil or unioil, euro 4 kasi sila. It will help you keep your engine oil free from contaminants.

Yes sir, the oil filters are OEM since I bring them to their respective dealers. I just hope they don't use a rebadge low quality filter and brand it in their name.

For FC, I don't measure it religiously but my Dmax gets a ball park figure of 650 something kms in about 42+ liters, pure city driving. Before I used to gas up in Seaoil but now I transferred to Unioil's Euro IV coz I feel the car responds better, smoother, lesser vibration and accelerates faster. Now that I used Torco, the performance is even better considering my CEL hasn't been fixed for more than a year coz Isuzu Commonwealth for some reason couldn't get to stock an EGR.

For the Civic, I gas up in Seaoil but I feel it gets more mileage if I use the Extreme 97, around 360+ kms as compared to 346 to 350 kms with unleaded.

I am just worried if the oil filters that they use can really withstand 10k oil change intervals considering that I am using fully synthetic oils.

[babynos01]

*rna800

Mam/Sir, I am also using Idemitsu Touring FS 5W40 SM/CF Rated (VTEC LEV counterpart) on our Di-D with OEM oil filter.
Been using the same oil for 2.5 years already starting at 20K (now logged 45K kilometers on the ODO)
Our change interval is every 10k kilometers regardless of months. Tingin ko po, ok naman siya up to 10K interval pero since ours is diesel, mas mabilis lang umitim yung oil due to carbon deposits.

Anyone who has also used this oil? Mura lang kasi siya at 2K per 4 liter jug.
Thanks!

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*rna800

Mam/Sir, I am also using Idemitsu Touring FS 5W40 SM/CF Rated (VTEC LEV counterpart) on our Di-D with OEM oil filter.
Been using the same oil for 2.5 years already starting at 20K (now logged 45K kilometers on the ODO)
Our change interval is every 10k kilometers regardless of months. Tingin ko po, ok naman siya up to 10K interval pero since ours is diesel, mas mabilis lang umitim yung oil due to carbon deposits.

Anyone who has also used this oil? Mura lang kasi siya at 2K per 4 liter jug.
Thanks!

[Chikselog]

^Ang alam ko po pang gas engine ang Idemitsu. Maybe issuggest ko and others as well is that use an oil that's specifically for Diesel engines. Since sabi nyo nga mabilis umitim yung oil, it would be good kung gagamit kayo ng diesel engine oils with high zddp content then partner it with Baldwin/Fleetguard oil filter para malinis makina nyo. Dami dyan oils recommended by tsikoteers. Backread na lang po.

Used Idemitsu 5w30 before, once. 10k kms din palit regardless of months using OEM oil filter. Ayun, sobrang itim ng oil nung pinalitan ko na ng gamit ko ngayon. Now I'm on Caltex DGU + Baldwin combo, brown pa rin yung oil with 4k+ kms ran (Golden Brown ang color ng bagong DGU oil). Gas engine po yung samin.

Btw mas mahal na ata ang Idemitsu ngayon. Dati P1.3k lang bili ko sa 5W30 nila pero balita ko nasa P1.7k na ngayon. Sumikat na kasi hehe.

[babynos01]

*Chikselog

Yes sir nagmahal na sila haha. Base don the product sheet, recommended siya for both gas and diesel engines.
Here is a link sir: http://www.idemitsu-ils.com.sg/Uploa...W40%20Fsyn.pdf

Talagang mabilis umitim oil kapag diesel engine sir. Yung sa innova gas ng friend ko, matagal umitim yung oil nila using Idemitsu 5W40.
Sa amin, pagdating ng 3k to 4k maitim na pero smooth to touch parin.
Ang problem ko is yung TBN number niya 7.89 lang compared sa specific diesel engine oils na 10 upwards.

Gusto ko sana subukan sir yung Caltex Delo 400 o kaya Petron Rev X All Terrain FS. Problema lang, may 6 pa ako na jug ng Idemitsu dito sa bahay.
Ubusin ko muna

BTW sirs, meron ding API CI4 compliant yung Unioil. DLX CI4 yung pangalan niya. May nakagamit na nito?

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*Chikselog

Yes sir nagmahal na sila haha. Base don the product sheet, recommended siya for both gas and diesel engines.
Here is a link sir: http://www.idemitsu-ils.com.sg/UploadedImg/1210755280_Idemitsu%20Extreme%20Touring%205W40%20F syn.pdf

Talagang mabilis umitim oil kapag diesel engine sir. Yung sa innova gas ng friend ko, matagal umitim yung oil nila using Idemitsu 5W40.
Sa amin, pagdating ng 3k to 4k maitim na pero smooth to touch parin.
Ang problem ko is yung TBN number niya 7.89 lang compared sa specific diesel engine oils na 10 upwards.

Gusto ko sana subukan sir yung Caltex Delo 400 o kaya Petron Rev X All Terrain FS. Problema lang, may 6 pa ako na jug ng Idemitsu dito sa bahay.
Ubusin ko muna

BTW sirs, meron ding API CI4 compliant yung Unioil. DLX CI4 yung pangalan niya. May nakagamit na nito?

[number001]

CI-4+ na ung Delo 400, If it can't reach 10K how much more if you use Rimula R3X.

I didn't say I was planning to make the Rimula go on 10K OCI. I rather go on 5K OCI with bosch than forcing 10K+ OCI on BD28 (which is almost 3x bosch prices and is scarce in supply).

This is not a private car but a delivery van. IMHO, more frequent OCI (ie. 5K) with good but affordable oil and filter like Rimula and Bosch filter is better than using more expensive oil like Delvac MX, Delo 400 and BD28. The latter, might make more sense if you are using it on a private vehicle.

[rna800]

*rna800

Mam/Sir, I am also using Idemitsu Touring FS 5W40 SM/CF Rated (VTEC LEV counterpart) on our Di-D with OEM oil filter.
Been using the same oil for 2.5 years already starting at 20K (now logged 45K kilometers on the ODO)
Our change interval is every 10k kilometers regardless of months. Tingin ko po, ok naman siya up to 10K interval pero since ours is diesel, mas mabilis lang umitim yung oil due to carbon deposits.

Anyone who has also used this oil? Mura lang kasi siya at 2K per 4 liter jug.
Thanks!

I have been using Honda VTEC LEV Fully Synthetic SL 5W-40 if I can recall for almost 2 years already but I still do the tune up and change oil every 5k kms.

I also tried bringing it to Shell Don Antonio for an oil change but I didn't like how it performed so I never returned. They used Shell Helix Plus 15W-50. It felt heavier and kinda rough. As usual, I was clueless to oils and oil filters that time so I just let the lady at the desk do the recommendation.

The Dmax is another story. Ever since it was bought, each time I do its PMS, I use the cheapest oil that they use coz I do the PMS every 5k kms. But I thought of giving a fully synthetic oil a try and my impression was "what was I thinking of not using of FS oil on you for more than 4 yrs and and it took 80k kms?"hehe It even felt better coz 80k PMS is a major service so the air & fuel filters were replaced, same with the transmission & brake fluids and they greased the bearings, etc. Then I am using Euro IV diesel. I just haven't felt the oil's full potential yet since my CEL is still lit coz the EGR needs replacement. But I really like how it performs now. It even feels much better.

But after reading this thread, I have learned more on different oils that I should and should not use as compared before wherein I just bring the cars to their respective dealers and then just let the SA do the recommendations. Then the oil filter also came in the picture. At least now I am a bit confident of extending the PMS on both cars by using the oils that I have mentioned and OEM oil filters to at least minimize the cost of doing PMS every 5k kms.

Thanks, guys!

[rna800]

Btw mas mahal na ata ang Idemitsu ngayon. Dati P1.3k lang bili ko sa 5W30 nila pero balita ko nasa P1.7k na ngayon. Sumikat na kasi hehe.

Just wanna share. When I replaced my tires in Yokohama Commonwealth, beside the location of OLGM before, they gave me a voucher that says 300 peso off and the brand of the oil was Idemitsu. I never paid attention to it coz I thought it was one of those el cheapo, low quality oils. Didn't even bother asking for more details. But after reading this thread, f*ck!, I never thought it was a good oil. I should have availed that discount.hehe

[miko101130]

I didn't say I was planning to make the Rimula go on 10K OCI. I rather go on 5K OCI with bosch than forcing 10K+ OCI on BD28 (which is almost 3x bosch prices and is scarce in supply).

This is not a private car but a delivery van. IMHO, more frequent OCI (ie. 5K) with good but affordable oil and filter like Rimula and Bosch filter is better than using more expensive oil like Delvac MX, Delo 400 and BD28. The latter, might make more sense if you are using it on a private vehicle.

shell rimula R3X is a good compromise between a good oil that is also cheap.... ok ang protection nyan at performance basta 5k OCI... sa price niya pinaka sulit siya among diesel engine oils if price would be factored in...

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I didn't say I was planning to make the Rimula go on 10K OCI. I rather go on 5K OCI with bosch than forcing 10K+ OCI on BD28 (which is almost 3x bosch prices and is scarce in supply).

This is not a private car but a delivery van. IMHO, more frequent OCI (ie. 5K) with good but affordable oil and filter like Rimula and Bosch filter is better than using more expensive oil like Delvac MX, Delo 400 and BD28. The latter, might make more sense if you are using it on a private vehicle.

shell rimula R3X is a good compromise between a good oil that is also cheap.... ok ang protection nyan at performance basta 5k OCI... sa price niya pinaka sulit siya among diesel engine oils if price would be factored in...

[nivraarvin]

As i have observed with good cheap oil vs casa "fully synthetic"(which is actually semi synthetic)

A 6 month old casa fully synthetic oil is more fuel efficient than a brand new casa mineral oil.

You get what you pay for. In the end, your fuel savings will more than make up for the "extra" cost of the oil.