Khaos Super Gas Saver

[ghosthunter]

Just got the khaos removed from my car yesterday. Di na mabaho yung usok coming from the exhaust. SALAMAT

you're welcome

[rotciv79]

Hey members,

I would want to know if there is a worst case for this Khaos, so why it is been distributed worldwide.

I think this is only trying to ruin the product's reputation. I am planning to buy and install one.

Visit their website: www.khaos.com.tw and see if it is true.

Or ingit lang ang other people kasi nakainvento ng product or yong mga imitator, kasi maraming gumaya noon, nagbebenta nga sa SM North Edsa.

Anong say nyo. Bro?

[redorange]

Read the tread and you'll find out that most members think it's a scam. But since you're in the mood for giving out money why not donate it to those that need it, like the victims of the typhoon.

[ericp]

history repeats
itself......

those who learn
from it....are spared
from making the same
mistakes

[niky]

Hey members,

I would want to know if there is a worst case for this Khaos, so why it is been distributed worldwide.

I think this is only trying to ruin the product's reputation. I am planning to buy and install one.

Visit their website: www.khaos.com.tw and see if it is true.

Or ingit lang ang other people kasi nakainvento ng product or yong mga imitator, kasi maraming gumaya noon, nagbebenta nga sa SM North Edsa.

Anong say nyo. Bro?

Being distributed worldwide just means there are enough suckers to go around.

Foreign consumers, in general, aren't any smarter than Pinoys. Otherwise, how could the Ponzi Scheme have been invented in America.

("Ponzi scheme? No way! I thought Legacy was totally legit!" :hysterical: )

[roberto_minosa]

TROLL ALERT!

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I have a buddy who drives an SiR with Khaos. It didn't idle well, it overheated, the cylinder head warped, and probably ran lean. He had it top-overhauled a couple of months back.

[ghosthunter]

Hey members,

I would want to know if there is a worst case for this Khaos, so why it is been distributed worldwide.

Hello Khaos PR guy!

If it actually works as claimed, why isn't anyone buying it anymore? Why no more advertising anymore?

I think this is only trying to ruin the product's reputation. I am planning to buy and install one.

Obvious attempt to be your own testimonial? You haven't even tried it yet you are sooooo convinced that it works. Obvious boy!

Visit their website: www.khaos.com.tw and see if it is true.

Ah! ... the obligatory mention of the website of the product.

Or ingit lang ang other people kasi nakainvento ng product or yong mga imitator, kasi maraming gumaya noon, nagbebenta nga sa SM North Edsa.

LOL! .. you aren't even a customer yet pero you seem so personal about it. Sus! ... pare, obviously you are trying too hard.

Anong say nyo. Bro?

Say ko bro, try a little less harder para di obvious na ahente ka ng Khaos at Inventionhaus. ahahhahaha!

[raine]

para sa mga KHAOS fan diyan meron akong special offer.
sorry mga MODS kung bawal

meron akong KHAOS used kung gusto niyo bilhin ninyo kahit 1/2 ng price
kasi pinaalis ko na pinalagay ng bayaw ko pero wala namang gains.
pls pm me nalang sa mga interested.

[rotciv79]

Gusto ko brand new, I don't want a used one. I will visit their office and buy one to verify and prove it by myself.

I am thinking for the last 7 years they had improve their products. This discussion start for a long time.

Ang pinsan ko meron sya pero wala namang bad result, highly recomended pa, so I am thinking this discussion is on business jealousy only.

Baka isa kayo sa gumaya sa product nya. Yong nasa SM North Edsa.

Meron ma ba kayo? na proved na ba nyo? Mura na ngayon. Subukan nyo muna, bigyan ko kayo ng datong.

[Tailhook]

A fool and his money are soon parted.

[niky]

Gusto ko brand new, I don't want a used one. I will visit their office and buy one to verify and prove it by myself.

I am thinking for the last 7 years they had improve their products. This discussion start for a long time.

Ang pinsan ko meron sya pero wala namang bad result, highly recomended pa, so I am thinking this discussion is on business jealousy only.

Baka isa kayo sa gumaya sa product nya. Yong nasa SM North Edsa.

Meron ma ba kayo? na proved na ba nyo? Mura na ngayon. Subukan nyo muna, bigyan ko kayo ng datong.

So you're buying... but also selling? Oh, that's rich.

Listen, newbie, we've been on the auto-boards a lot longer than you. I've been modifying cars since you were sucking milk from a bottle. I've seen this thing come up again and again on the automotive boards, and I've got friends that... despite my warnings... tried it, anyway.

Know what? All of them got rid of theirs after a while. Didn't work. Not even for those driving "gas guzzling" Fords.

Know why? What does the Khaos do? It leans out the air-fuel charge. Which should, theoretically, make the car more economical.

What does leaning out the air-fuel ratio also do? Make the engine run hotter... which messes up a lot of things. People have destroyed MAFs, blown gaskets, etcetera, on these things for years.

Of course, lucky you if you have a new car. Why? There's this little thing called an O2 sensor. It reads the abnormal lean condition caused by the KSTC and tells the car's computer to add more fuel. Which returns the engine to normal operating conditions.

Which means the car's stock computer is smarter than most people, I'd wager.

Yeah, I'm pimping a competing product. It's called a Unichip. It costs 30k pesos, but it plugs straight into the car's computer and adjusts the air-fuel ratio directly. It gives better fuel economy (proven), more power (up to 20 horsepower on the dyno), and helps control things like nitrous injections and turbo kits... though Unichip + turbo doesn't equal reasonable economy, no matter how you cut it...

I'm sure you think it's a waste of money compared to a tube with a spring valve hooked into your air intake. But you can't build an aftermarket piggyback ECU at home for less than 20,000 pesos (plans are available online for the Megasquirt, which is similar). But I could build my own KSTC with a metal tube, a soldering iron and a valve... and it wouldn't cost me anywhere near 6000 pesos. Probably closer to 500. :hysterical:

But that would be "piracy", wouldn't it?

So I guess the dozens of air-bleed devices tested by the EPA are also pirated from the Khaos. No biggie. None of them work. And these things have been around since the seventies.

[rotciv79]

4000 petot na lang ngayon.

kasi na marami ng gumaya, like is SM Edsa

[ghosthunter]

Gusto ko brand new, I don't want a used one. I will visit their office and buy one to verify and prove it by myself.

I am thinking for the last 7 years they had improve their products. This discussion start for a long time.

The product has been around since Marcos was still president. If in all that time it was never "perfected", I doubt if the last 7 years would have made a difference.

Ang pinsan ko meron sya pero wala namang bad result, highly recomended pa, so I am thinking this discussion is on business jealousy only.

Business jealousy? LOL! ... ano yan? crab mentality? Before saying that, prove that we have any business affected by it.

Baka isa kayo sa gumaya sa product nya. Yong nasa SM North Edsa.

You mean this piece of junk?



or the original drawing I made?

Meron ma ba kayo? na proved na ba nyo? Mura na ngayon. Subukan nyo muna, bigyan ko kayo ng datong.

My brother had two cars fitted with it. Both had problems with low power and irregular idling when it was installed. Fuel consumption either didn;'t change or even increased during the time when the KSTC was installed.

Those problems disappeared the moment the KSTC was removed.

I have a friend who had a Nissan Cefiro who also bought a KSTC. He experienced engine overhead twice from a car that never had a problem. I told him to remove the KSTC. After, the car never overheated again, even years later.

[ghosthunter]

4000 petot na lang ngayon.

kasi na marami ng gumaya, like is SM Edsa

Marami pa din naloloko...



Ito yung KSTC na kilalas ko dati.

[jjmd3_787]

Matagal ng nasa market ang Khaos. Naging matunog lang ang gadget na ito nang nagmahalan na ang petrols. IMHO, it's just a waste of money to buy and use one . . .

A friend of ours, the owner of Suspension Haus, bought one. Nagkaluko-luko ang idling ng Corolla nya. Lalo pang tumakaw sa gas kasi you need to push the gas pedal more inorder to attain a good engine tune. Sayang lang yung 5k niya. Hindi daw sya kasi nakatanggi dahil loyal customer nya yung nagbenta nun.

Same thing happened to me a couple of years ago . . . yung Unique brand naman (I got it at SM North). A cheaper imitation of Khaos. It sucked!!!

Nothing beats good maintenance & proper driving techniques.

[speed unlimited]

I think the best way to save fuel is by natural way by driving normal way and weight reduction .Removed unessesary material in the trunk and plan your trip to avoid traffic rather than get a fuel saving device that does not do the purpose .

[vernieg]

For engines with carburetor and no computers controlling the fuel supply at walang oxygen sensor na basihan for fuel-air mixture, air bleed devices works well during deceleration or at high engine vacuum (idling at cruising). Ang mekaniko na mag install nito dapat may alam paano mag timpla ng fuel-air inputs ng carburetor at importante kasama na dito ang ignition timing at sa air bleed. Kahit anong butas or vacuum hose sa intake manifold with an adjustable valve to control the incoming air will do as an air bleed setup.

Unfortunately, hindi lahat ng mekaniko who installed these air bleed device have the necessary skills and understanding (ma swerte na kung meron 1 out of ten) how to take advantage of the whole system to work in harmony that is why you'll hear merong walang effect at pumapalya at meron namang gumagana. It appears tsamba tsamba nalang ang nangyari may gumagana at hindi.

My car have a lot of air bleed setup na controllable and will trigger at certain events. However, it took me several months para maintindihan at maipraktis ang pag timpla ng buong system for best results with the help of a good mechanic. Even this present time I am still discovering new things and learning. In other words, air bleed devices are not plug-and-play devices to get an optimal result.

Engines using carburetors should be checked from time to time lalo na pabago bago ang panahon at mga fuel na available sa market. Nakakaaliw ang mag trabaho sa makina ng sariling sasakyan kung naging hilig mo na pero sakit sa ulo kung hindi mo pa naintindihan ng husto.

[redorange]

4000 petot na lang ngayon.

kasi na marami ng gumaya, like is SM Edsa

Hey I have a BMW X5 I can sell you for 300K with some water stains on the interior.

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[niky]

For engines with carburetor and no computers controlling the fuel supply at walang oxygen sensor na basihan for fuel-air mixture, air bleed devices works well during deceleration or at high engine vacuum (idling at cruising). Ang mekaniko na mag install nito dapat may alam paano mag timpla ng fuel-air inputs ng carburetor at importante kasama na dito ang ignition timing at sa air bleed. Kahit anong butas or vacuum hose sa intake manifold with an adjustable valve to control the incoming air will do as an air bleed setup.

Unfortunately, hindi lahat ng mekaniko who installed these air bleed device have the necessary skills and understanding (ma swerte na kung meron 1 out of ten) how to take advantage of the whole system to work in harmony that is why you'll hear merong walang effect at pumapalya at meron namang gumagana. It appears tsamba tsamba nalang ang nangyari may gumagana at hindi.

My car have a lot of air bleed setup na controllable and will trigger at certain events. However, it took me several months para maintindihan at maipraktis ang pag timpla ng buong system for best results with the help of a good mechanic. Even this present time I am still discovering new things and learning. In other words, air bleed devices are not plug-and-play devices to get an optimal result.

Engines using carburetors should be checked from time to time lalo na pabago bago ang panahon at mga fuel na available sa market. Nakakaaliw ang mag trabaho sa makina ng sariling sasakyan kung naging hilig mo na pero sakit sa ulo kung hindi mo pa naintindihan ng husto.

Of course, you can achieve the same effects by rejetting your carburetor.

Back when there were lots of mechanics more familiar with the internal workings of carbs (more familiar in the sense that they could tune them... not just repair the gaskets)... you could get your idle-jet and main-jet resized for maximum fuel economy without the guesswork and fiddly set-up of air-bleed devices...

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It would be even better if someone marketed an airbleed device with its own O2 sensor... so that it could keep the air fuel ratio at a preset setting like 15:1 or 16:1... and a temperature sensor, so that it would stop operating if the temperature started rising too high.

Of course, you wouldn't make a crapload of cash selling something like that... it'd cost much more to make than the Super Tubo Charger...

[vernieg]

We did replace the jets of the carburetor to smaller sizes and also use air bleed.
Meron pa ring pagkakaiba kung merong air bleed specially when releasing the accelerator pedal, mas makahinga ang makina. Passing the air through a water bubbler instead through air filters will also provide some water vapor. The water will also serve as your air filter. If you want to go to the next level for more improvement, send the air with the water vapor from the bubbler through GEET before sending them to the intake manifold.
The water vapor component helps a lot when running lean para di mag overheat ang makina at ma maintain na lesser ang carbon deposits sa combustion chamber.