Khaos Super Gas Saver

[ghosthunter]

Actually target market segment for this product are the "gullible people". Unfortunately this market segment is huge.

true, but for every post I made on the other sites, at least I took away few "victims" from their marketing grasps.

My actions (posting links to this thread) even forced them to remove the visible "customer feedback" section on their marketing websites.

Maybe I should start a new web-based truth campaign against Khaos again? :evil:

[mda]

We had this device installed in our ~2000 HiAce van a few years ago.

Saved a bit of gas in city driving.

Lotsa problems started bubbling up though - the car would stall on idle, rough/dipping idling and such problems. In short - headache.

Pinatanggal namin and um-ok na.

The van was casa maintained at that point in time, every 6 mos or 5k km (whichever came first).

[Benji_DCP]

true, but for every post I made on the other sites, at least I took away few "victims" from their marketing grasps.

My actions (posting links to this thread) even forced them to remove the visible "customer feedback" section on their marketing websites.

Maybe I should start a new web-based truth campaign against Khaos again? :evil:

Hehe.. Even in our small club's website, we would try to dissuade people from buying these so called gas saving gadgets.

Unfortunately, PT Barnum is right when he said: A sucker is born every minute. This needs a massive info campaign.

[ghosthunter]

Hehe.. Even in our small club's website, we would try to dissuade people from buying these so called gas saving gadgets.

Unfortunately, PT Barnum is right when he said: A sucker is born every minute. This needs a massive info campaign.

well, you can't dissuade people, who are hell-bent to try the gadget, from actually buying it.

But there are others who prefer to look for more information before buying into it and those we can help.

[roberto_minosa]

Sa mga madla,
Iba ibang sasakyan, iba ibang resulta, iba ibang driving habits, iba ibang savings; kung nagpapatakbo kayo ng 120 up to 140kph, talagang magiinit at masisira ang sasakyan nyo. sa normal driving lang dapat at right maintenance sa device maiiwasan ang problema.

comment nyo.

With that logic, maybe the competent engineers who design engines should have limited top speed to only 100km/h.

Even our people-hauler is designed to to cruise at 140km/h for 4 hours max.

[KhaosMfg]

A very pleasant day to everyone in this forum.

We, Khaos Manufacturing would like to invite anyone who will be interested to have an Actual Test with us using LAUNCH Engine Scanner and Star Gas Global Diagnostic Emission Analyzer.

To test Fuel Savings, parameter will be "Idle Stationary" - the engine runs 30 minutes without Khaos and 30 minutes with Khaos using Portable Tank, Electric Fuel Pump with Pressure Regulator and Graduated Cylinder.

The above mentioned test aims to present to the general public actual test results of Khaos Super Gas Saver and appropriately provide facts concerning performance, effects and safety of our products.

We are willing to invite Media people to be with us on the said test and we shall accordingly place ads in leading newspapers announcing the date. This will be open to the general public.

For customers
Those who have experienced problems in using our Khaos Super Gas Saver, please feel free to contact us so we may appropriately address your concerns. Our Technical Services Team shall be on hand to make necessary diagnostic tests and/or adjustments.

[KhaosMfg]

To those who upgraded their vehicles, we offer Trade-In of your 4th Generation Khaos model to 5th Generation "The New Improved" Khaos which is more suitable to Highly Sophisticated Computerized Engines.

Our contact details are below:
Khaos Manufacturing
Email: khaos_marketing*yahoo.com
Tel: 413-5406
Tel/Fax: 920-0090

In response to Mr. Ghosthunter
Given the nature of the forum you have chosen to air your opinions about Khaos Super Gas Saver, we hope to be given the chance to respond freely to this forum with equal opportunity same as the general public.

Past efforts of responding to this forum were banned by the moderator, hindering the public from knowing both sides of the story.

We at Khaos Manufacturing welcome and respect all opinions about our products; both positive and negative as this gives us valuable information on how we can better our services and improve our products to satisfy our customers.


Notice to the public
Please be advised that there is a current modus operandi spreading in the World Wide Web that poses a threat to legitimate businesses by circulating negative threads or forums such as these to coerce owners to pay monies or advertise in their website in exchange of removing said threads.

We are firm advocates against this practice and would like the public to be forewarned. At no point shall we ever support this modus operandi nor fall prey to this digital blackmail.

Any negative opinions shall be addressed in the appropriate venue given equal chance.

[ghosthunter]

To test Fuel Savings, parameter will be "Idle Stationary" - the engine runs 30 minutes without Khaos and 30 minutes with Khaos using Portable Tank, Electric Fuel Pump with Pressure Regulator and Graduated Cylinder.

Great! ... but I would like to point out that an idling engine gets ZERO kilometers per liter either way you measure it.

Real fuel savers must be able to function when the engine is under load like when it is being driven on the road from point A to point B.

This is why governments, car manufacturers, etc measure FUEL ECONOMY in kilometers per liter of fuel.

This is a demo that comes too late that proves nothing new. The gadget is a dead product that cannot deliver it's claims of fuel savings.

[ghosthunter]

In response to Mr. Ghosthunter
Given the nature of the forum you have chosen to air your opinions about Khaos Super Gas Saver, we hope to be given the chance to respond freely to this forum with equal opportunity same as the general public.

Past efforts of responding to this forum were banned by the moderator, hindering the public from knowing both sides of the story.

We at Khaos Manufacturing welcome and respect all opinions about our products; both positive and negative as this gives us valuable information on how we can better our services and improve our products to satisfy our customers.

Previous "efforts" of your sales/PR people were obvious attempts to use FAKE testimonials.

[ghosthunter]

So what does the 5th generation goes to "improving" the features and functions of the ones sold years ago?


Let me repost my drawing of the KSTC I did years ago:



The unit I have with me:

[ghosthunter]

Notice to the public
Please be advised that there is a current modus operandi spreading in the World Wide Web that poses a threat to legitimate businesses by circulating negative threads or forums such as these to coerce owners to pay monies or advertise in their website in exchange of removing said threads.

We are firm advocates against this practice and would like the public to be forewarned. At no point shall we ever support this modus operandi nor fall prey to this digital blackmail.

Any negative opinions shall be addressed in the appropriate venue given equal chance. [/FONT]

LOL! This single discussion thread about Khaos Super Turbo Charger is NOT a modus operandi. This is a grass roots movement by concerned people to spread the TRUTH about your unsupported claims, half-truths and outright lies about how your gadget functions.

Blackmail? How? Did anyone ask you for money or else we will do a smear compaign on the net? You must be smoking some serious weed to even believe that one.

Appropriate venue? Where? At your presscon/demo? That's a joke!

What is more equal to a discussion forum where everyone can post their statements for everyone else to read and respond to?

Tsikot.com forums has given enough chances to all other "fuel saving gadgets". The only time they got banned was when they were more insulting (flaming) to the members of tsikot.com. Otherwise your posts are a welcome distraction to the daily routine of our lives.

Oh yeah, the other reason why your other accounts got banned, multiple accounts of the same user. Read the rules of the forum. You got caught playing against forums rules.

[jaymd]

mas maganda sana kung actual road test with and without khaos with free flowing traffic at constant designated speed ex: sctex. kasi kun idling at 30 mins lang kahit tangalin lang yun stock paper filter will improve fuel consumption. dapat may load sa engine para malaman talaga in actual driving conditions. BTW we bought and installed khaos a few years ago.

[ghosthunter]

In response to Mr. Ghosthunter

Past efforts of responding to this forum were banned by the moderator, hindering the public from knowing both sides of the story.

We at Khaos Manufacturing welcome and respect all opinions about our products; both positive and negative as this gives us valuable information on how we can better our services and improve our products to satisfy our customers.

Interesting... in this thread alone...


KhaosMfg is the same person as the following other accounts detected:


Juan_Calabao (banned user) who faked that he was a khaos user but in fact he was a Khaos sales agent.
Posted: 09-30-2009, 01:07 PM
Page 107 of this thread


Vienne so-called promoter of "human-right to free speech" regarding Khaos.
Posted: 10-12-2009, 03:05 PM
Page 108 of this thread


hondacrv fake CRV owner with KSTC
Posted: 09-30-2009, 01:09 PM
Page 106 of this thread

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*KhaosMfg
If you wonder why you get banned so much... wonder no more.

If you would try using fake testimonials, I wonder what else would you use to promote your "gadget"?

Maybe a fake demonstration to untruthfully show the people how fuel-saving your gadget can be?

Deceiving other users regarding who you are behind the name... nice start for letting the public knowing both sides of the story. How many other fake names have you used? I have been using GhostHunter for years.

[meledson]

This will be interesting to see. But using a dyno also. hehehehe

[Benji_DCP]

mas maganda sana kung actual road test with and without khaos with free flowing traffic at constant designated speed ex: sctex. kasi kun idling at 30 mins lang kahit tangalin lang yun stock paper filter will improve fuel consumption. dapat may load sa engine para malaman talaga in actual driving conditions. BTW we bought and installed khaos a few years ago.

Based on your assessment, did the device work as advertized? Did it save gas for you?

[Benji_DCP]

So what does the 5th generation goes to "improving" the features and functions of the ones sold years ago?


Let me repost my drawing of the KSTC I did years ago:



The unit I have with me:

Check out this link. Your advocacy has been cited:
http://www.fuelsaving.info/khaos.htm

[ghosthunter]

^^^ yup, I know. My pictures and some info were used in that site's page and I approved of it.

I have also used that site (and that very page) as a shortcut to debunking Khaos on other forums and web-pages.

[Benji_DCP]

Good! I have read this site a couple of years ago, and they have debunked gas saving claims of other air bleed devices then. Your advocacy has not gone un-noticed, such that Tony had to write a separate case study about the KSGS.

[rotciv79]

Sa mga init na init:

This is my report:

Silverado extended cab 8 cyl, 2004: City driving
Without khaos=10mpg
With khaos=16mpg

Installation: PCV valve

California Smog test results:
Without Khaos With Khaos
reading target reading target
Speed mph: 25.3 25.0 25.1 25.0
Load: 12.3 15.1 12.1 15.1
limit limit
HC ppm 7 111 6 111
CO 0.01 0.66 0.01 0.66
CO2 15.7
O2 0.0
NOx 51 1016 61 1016

Toyota Sienna 2005 6 cyl
Without khaos = 24 mpg
Withkhaos = 32 mpg
Installation: Hydrovac

Wait for EPA exemption certification/permit soon.

[ghosthunter]

This is my report:

Silverado extended cab 8 cyl, 2004: City driving
Without khaos=10mpg
With khaos=16mpg

Translating:
10mpg = 4.25 KM/L
16mpg = 6.8 KM/L

Conversion tool website: http://www.vangeyn.net/mpg/?mpg=16&submit=Convert

Taken from: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/Feg/noframes/20387.shtml

2004 Chevrolet Silverado 1500 2WD 5.3L 8cylinder
MPG (city) 13
MPG (highway) 18