Hybrids and EV

[dr. d]

even as ethanol-ized gasoline is cheaper than pure gasoline,
what happens to the bottomline km/peso, when we input the lower energy content of ethanol, resulting in, i imagine, less km/liter ?

[Vodka]

Majority of the hybrids and EVs that are being sold in the PH are expensive luxury vehicles. The country is missing out on millions on taxes. The EV law should have placed a price cap on the lowered import tax on EV/hybrids to help promote more AFFORDABLE EVs & hybrids.

The PH can do with less multi-million EVs and more sub-P2M EVs.

it's just like the stupid tax breaks on pickup trucks, all over again we never learn

[ice15]

it's just like the stupid tax breaks on pickup trucks, all over again we never learn

before that, we have the tax breaks for AUVs (10 seater SUVs)
remember nung ang daming Expedition? tapos naglabas ng 10 seater na CR-V - hahaha

[ale828]

Majority of the hybrids and EVs that are being sold in the PH are expensive luxury vehicles. The country is missing out on millions on taxes. The EV law should have placed a price cap on the lowered import tax on EV/hybrids to help promote more AFFORDABLE EVs & hybrids.

The PH can do with less multi-million EVs and more sub-P2M EVs.

EV still has VAT. Something the BIR didn't want to remove.
In other countries where EV's has flourished, EV buyers get tax incentives and rebates.
Those countries also have price caps and conditions on the rebates and incentives.

Ev's in other countries are getting big price drops and discount while here there is none.

You can blame the Dealers for the EV high prices. They need to recoup some investments since EV's need and cost very little in the PMS department where most dealers get the bulk of their profits.

[Dr.Kamiya]

before that, we have the tax breaks for AUVs (10 seater SUVs)
remember nung ang daming Expedition? tapos naglabas ng 10 seater na CR-V - hahaha

I hated that time! Cars that should have been 4x4 only ginawang 4x2 to fall under that tax break. I think that tax exemption was also the reason the Pajero FM lasted so long in our market, albeit as a 4x2.

[H1Tman]

In the USA, aside from tax rebates, they get free charging in the first year.

[ice15]

Ev's in other countries are getting big price drops and discount while here there is none.

in some countries... kaya nila bigyan ng incentive si Taylor Swift para sure na sa kanila lang ang concert nya
some of our neighbors did the same for future foreign acts

pero in a country like ours, malabo to ask too much from the gov't... tax free is easy, pero additional rebates will be almost impossible since mas madaming kailangan tulungan ang gov't natin.

buying an EV means zero import taxes... zero taxes from fuel and reduced taxes from yearly registration fees. malaki na masyado ang mawawala sa national treasury natin

[spectr]

You can blame the Dealers for the EV high prices. They need to recoup some investments since EV's need and cost very little in the PMS department where most dealers get the bulk of their profits.

You cannot blame the dealers who might give EV higher SRP margins, very little to earn in the aftersales services beyond some automotive oil/fluids, new certified EV tires and maybe some software updates.

Given that, hard to imagine why any auto dealer want to sell EVs at all. The extra cost of training people to service these EV vehicles plus all the new gadgets required to do it. And all of that potentially are obsolete after the next EV car model is released in four years.

I cannot wait for local insurance rates for EVs to rise.

[spectr]

In the USA, aside from tax rebates, they get free charging in the first year.

The only reason why they can do free charging is the charging stations are run by the car company (example Testa) or are partnered to them (Ford).


Locally we don't have such setups so every EV pays if they use one of the charging stations.

[spectr]

even as ethanol-ized gasoline is cheaper than pure gasoline,
what happens to the bottomline km/peso, when we input the lower energy content of ethanol, resulting in, i imagine, less km/liter ?

That is exactly what happened with Ethanol blended gasolines. We burn more for the same distance.

Clean Air Act my ass.

Just means more money to the oil company coffers.

[Mask Rider Blac]

These are not EVs but just to point out that government incentives, tax breaks have significant impact on pricing:

[carxynogen]

These are not EVs but just to point out that government incentives, tax breaks have significant impact on pricing:

Included na po sa TRAIN Tax increase mga pickups.
Not sure why pricing of pick ups and SUVs are compared here.

[dr. d]

Included na po sa TRAIN Tax increase mga pickups.
Not sure why pricing of pick ups and SUVs are compared here.

there was a time, i believe, that pickups were not subject to some of the taxes suffered by SUVs and other motor vehicles.

[ice15]

Thanks to zero tariffs, hybrids will be cheaper, but it’s not as simple as you think | TopGear PH

There is no fixed amount or percentage that can calculate the new adjusted prices for hybrid and plug-in hybrid vehicles in the Philippines following this new rule expansion. Nonetheless, any possibility of price reductions is welcome news.

[Verbl Kint]

You cannot blame the dealers who might give EV higher SRP margins, very little to earn in the aftersales services beyond some automotive oil/fluids, new certified EV tires and maybe some software updates.

Given that, hard to imagine why any auto dealer want to sell EVs at all. The extra cost of training people to service these EV vehicles plus all the new gadgets required to do it. And all of that potentially are obsolete after the next EV car model is released in four years.

I cannot wait for local insurance rates for EVs to rise.

I, for one, cannot wait for the car manufacturers to ditch the dealership model and follow the direct-to-consumer business model (whether through lease or purchase).

EV's are an inevitability. In the Philippines, dealerships are a burden to consumers.

The value-add of a dealership in the Philippines is hardly felt at all. Preference towards financing plans vs cash purchases, usurious interest rates, poor aftersales service, forced PMS routines, generally bad customer service, not honoring warranties, the list goes on. The markup in pricing just to run these dealerships is certainly not worth it.

[ale828]

The only reason why they can do free charging is the charging stations are run by the car company (example Testa) or are partnered to them (Ford).


Locally we don't have such setups so every EV pays if they use one of the charging stations.

Some malls still have free charging thou most are already switching to a pricing scheme for charging your EV.

[ale828]

I, for one, cannot wait for the car manufacturers to ditch the dealership model and follow the direct-to-consumer business model (whether through lease or purchase).

EV's are an inevitability. In the Philippines, dealerships are a burden to consumers.

The value-add of a dealership in the Philippines is hardly felt at all. Preference towards financing plans vs cash purchases, usurious interest rates, poor aftersales service, forced PMS routines, generally bad customer service, not honoring warranties, the list goes on. The markup in pricing just to run these dealerships is certainly not worth it.

Same sentiment.
The Direct to Consumer model popularized and effectively being used by Tesla is one of the reason i want to own one.
I for one have had it with Toyotas Top up or Financing only or buy and extra car/accessories pricing just to get one of their high end models.

[111prez]

electricity leakage ...

[carxynogen]

Yun, if nasa winter areas ka, medyo masakit yung tingling ng static na yan.
Baka hindi maganda insulation ng mga electrical components nyan.

[carxynogen]

Additionally, pwd pala to maging secret weapon.
If a hacker has complete remote access to the car, they can just immediately activate electric shock feature to kill the target.