E10 Ethanol, bad for your engine & economy? [MERGED]

[istariray]

If ethanol gas can damage our cars, then what fuel are we supposed to use when all fuel are ethanol blend already?

Sabi ng kakilala ko sa Chevron what they recommend to people like me who own carburetor cars is to use a conversion kit -- at di pwedeng replacement, dapat original. They also recommend that I go to the casa, not any mechanic to be sure. Mahal malamang yun, wala akong pera, kaya nga luma kotse ko eh

[prince777]

Sabi ng kakilala ko sa Chevron what they recommend to people like me who own carburetor cars is to use a conversion kit -- at di pwedeng replacement, dapat original. They also recommend that I go to the casa, not any mechanic to be sure. Mahal malamang yun, wala akong pera, kaya nga luma kotse ko eh

parehas tayo sir...i already did filled-up with E10 blended gasoline 2 or 3 times from shell but noon pa yun na may option to have E10 blended or not kasi di pa lahat ng pump ng shell e may E10. Di ko pa alam kung meron naging epekto sa engine ko, not until siguro pa pms ako after 3mos siguro.

no choice na pala tayo but to have the auto-LPG sir GH...

E10 gasoline - nakakasira(daw) ng makina
Diesel- marumi(daw) diesel sa pinas...

[magister]

sir totoo ba sinasabi mo na may ethanol na halo ang petron xtra unledead??ilang percent po??ksi wlang nkasulat na may e10 pla ang unleaded ngaun ng petron lgi ko po kinakarga yun sa revo ko...di pa naman pwede e 10 dun nabasa ko sa ibang website...sir need po answer mo asap..thanks

as per letter i received from petron:

In behalf of Petron Corporation, we would like to thank you for visiting our corporate website and for posting your query.

To answer your question, ONLY our Xtra Unleaded e10 is blended with ethanol. The rest of our gasoline grades (XCS, Blaze, etc.) are not blended with ethanol yet.
Kindly visit any of our service stations again and fuel up with our ethanol-free unleaded gasoline products.

Hope this clarifies. Should you have further queries, please feel free to contact us anytime.

Best regards,

Thea Gutierrez
Petron Corporation

[mreyes]

since both shell and petron issued contrasting statements about e10 (shell says e10 is good while petron says e10 is bad for our engines), somebody should also get the sides of caltex, seaoil, and other gas companies out their so we can have more inputs regarding this matter. thanks guys!

[ghosthunter]

since both shell and petron issued contrasting statements about e10 (shell says e10 is good while petron says e10 is bad for our engines), somebody should also get the sides of caltex, seaoil, and other gas companies out their so we can have more inputs regarding this matter. thanks guys!

Whether ethanol-mixed-gasoline is harmful to your engine or not is NOT a majority vote issue. Either it is or it isn't. There is enough information on the internet for anyone to bother a simple search for it.

IMHO, E10 is harmful if your car is not designed for it. The real issue is if YOUR car is ready for E10 gasoline as the only fuel of choice by 2010.

[aejhayl17]

kaya pala sisinok sinok tong owner ng lolo ko kase xtra unleaded e10 pala kinakarga niya, di ko siya nainform na hindi compatible sa makina niya yun.

anyways, ask ko na lang din po since i know carburated engines are not suitable for e10 gasolines. anong engine po ba ito?

[roberto_minosa]

^Toyota 12T?

[highway_stud]

I've known someone recently, he's using an old carb car and it's still working very well with E10 fuels. And piece of advice, don't listen to Casa technicians too much. Sometimes sila pa ang misinformed. And they have the tendency to blame the fuels pag may nasira sa sasakyan. Syempre nga naman, kesa amining there's something wrong with their units. It's better to refer to reliable websites like the DOE. Thanks!

[p_borj]

ano yung parang may nakabukas na throttle?

looks like an old engine so malamang carbureted engine ito. Go for XCS or Gold!

[uls]

no need for insiders to confirm if Seaoil gasoline has ethanol

it's on their website:

http://www.seaoil.com.ph/index.php/Products/HomePage

E10 Gasoline

SEAOIL is known for its pioneering efforts in promoting biofuels in the country, particularly E10 fuels. E10 is a blend of 90% gasoline and 10% ethanol. SEAOIL launched its E10 fuels (G5 X-treme and G5 Unleaded) in August 2005, more than a year before the Biofuels Act of 2006 was signed into law. This reformulated blend boosts octane levels for better engine performance and reduced exhaust emissions. E10 is renewable, environment-friendly and is seen to reduce the country's dependence on imported petroleum products.

EXTREME 97

EXTREME 97 is SEAOIL's ultimate performance fuel that boasts of the highest octane rating available in the country today. With EXTREME 97, gasoline users no longer have to choose from either price, environment and performance every time they gas up. They can have all these features in EXTREME 97. Visit www.extreme97.com.ph for more information about this product.

G5 X-treme

G5 X-treme is a premium-grade gasoline that boasts of 95+ octane rating and high technology additives that increase the engine's torque for faster and smoother acceleration at start-up. The octane boost also allows the vehicle to perform at high speed without experiencing knocking and pinging due to faster compression.

G5 Unleaded

G5 Unleaded, with an octane rating of 93+, provides optimum performance for normal driving requirements.

[Horsepower]

yup, carb yun. Yung parang naka-open jan nakakabit ang air filter ata.

[aejhayl17]

yup i know its an old carburated engine, what i was asking is what exactly engine is this? the model name itself. sorry for the OT

[ghosthunter]

anyways, ask ko na lang din po since i know carburated engines are not suitable for e10 gasolines. anong engine po ba ito?
http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/v...212009_010.jpg

Seems to be a Toyota 12T engine

Same model found at this web-blog: http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3144550

[vernieg]

After the damage has been done, alam na natin na makasira pala ng engine parts ang fuel na may ethanol. Sino naman ang sasagot sa gastos sa damage? Oil companies? The Department of Energy?

Ethanol is corrosive to soft metals like copper, brass, bronze, zinc and aluminum. These are common metals found in our car fuel systems lalo na sa carburetor. Ang mga jets are made of copper alloy (brass/bronze). The carburetor is made of aluminum or may halong zinc. After using fuel with ethanol, nag corrode ang ma jets at pumapalya ang takbo ng makina hanggang di na makapag idle. Nangingitim ang surface ng carburetor jets when using ethanol hanggang wala nang makadaloy pa na fuel kaya pumapalya ang andar ng makina. We did check our carburetors before (clean and shiny ang mga parts) and after using fuel with ethanol (Caltex E10 and Petron Extra Unleaded with 10% Ethanol). Grabe ang corrosion and you can experience the problem right on the first week, then on the second week everyday na pumapalya hanggang di na makapag idle ang makina.


Ethanol also absorbs water from environment kaya halos lahat ng gas station with E10, may halong tubig ang mga tank nila and we are paying for water na kasamang na higop ng pump when we fill up our car. If people will tell you that water is the cause of corrosion to engine parts, do not believe them for it is ethanol that eats the soft metals kahit below 10% lang ang ratio nito with gasoline. Sabi nga ng friend ko after informing him with the results of my test on using E10, "E10 just eaten the copper" . Carburetor jets are made of copper alloy like brass or bronze, these are soft metals.

For now, ang magawa natin is iwasan ang fuel na may halong Ethanol. Unfortunately, do we really know na wala talagang halong Ethanol ang mga fuel natin?

[ghosthunter]

For now, ang magawa natin is iwasan ang fuel na may halong Ethanol. Unfortunately, do we really know na wala talagang halong Ethanol ang mga fuel natin?

Certain gasoline types do not have ethanol.

[a3n3as]

Ngayon lang ako nagpakarga ng Petron XCS usually Shell kasi ako. Tinanong ko yung gasboy sabi nga nya wala daw ethanol yon. Sana nagustuhan ng carb engine ko

[skipper]

^ good move, uls. their website is the best resource for your e10-related questions.

[bennisiozo]

kaya pala sisinok sinok tong owner ng lolo ko kase xtra unleaded e10 pala kinakarga niya, di ko siya nainform na hindi compatible sa makina niya yun.

anyways, ask ko na lang din po since i know carburated engines are not suitable for e10 gasolines. anong engine po ba ito?

its a toyota 12T. contact point ignition system and carburetor fuel system. initialy said that its not designed for E10 fuels or not E10 ready.

the fact is (also with link on previous threads) ethanol blended fuels like E10 produces less power compared to pure gasoline or less energy is squeezed to ethanol blended fuels. so it is recommended to fuel injected engines because it has a computer box and various sensors to compensate with the intake air and the exhaust gases to give a right amount of air-fuel mixture for the injector to spray in a specific volume of air. meaning a much more amount of E10 would be sprayed for the same amount of air in a pure gasoline fuel. and this is the reason it is not recommended for carburetor engines sine carburetor has a preset air fuel mixture and does not have any sensors to adjust with the E10 to give the right power for your engine. that' s why engine hesitates (magaspang andar, sinisinok). but if you pump your accelerator pedal the engine runs OK because you are increasing the E10 fuel to the volume of air. so instead of fuel economy, its gas guzzler fuel. some do replace bigger jetings for their carburetor to compensate to this matter. but increasing the jets means more fuel consumption just to make the engine not to hesitate.

hope my novel is an info to you.

[ghosthunter]

Ethanol fact:

[SIZE="6"]1.6 Liters = 1 Liter[/SIZE]

The amount of ethanol to equal the same energy
content in one liter of gasoline

[roberto_minosa]

^Is that pure ethanol?