Jetta Base model v Civic base model

[Egan101]

The 2016 Jetta 1.4T is a much better than the Lavida 1.4T. I would even say that our 2016 Jetta 1.6L TDI offers more than the Lavida.


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[istan]

Lavida has flimsy interiors. Its a chinese car masquerading as a euro car.

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[heavenlee]

Maybe but they choose to bring the older Lavida here.


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That's just so unfortunate for the Philippines. I know I read somewhere the Jetta was also made in China. Oh well.

[heavenlee]

The China-made Lavida is actually an older car than the Mexico-made Jetta.

The Lavida has been sold in China since 2012. It's based on the A4 platform which is the same as the 1999 (!) Jetta. Yup, it's that backward of a car.

The 2011 Mk 6 Jetta currently sold here is based on the A6 platform, so it's technically 2 generations ahead of the Lavida that replaces it.

What's worse - there's a new 2018 Jetta and 2018 Lavida (both using the latest MQB platform) yet we're not getting either of them.

At least with the Civic, you're getting the latest model available globally.

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Another reason to get the civic. I wonder why we're not getting the new MQB platformed Lavida? Lots of old inventory?

But I see TS has already made the decision to get the outgoing Jetta. Congratulations and enjoy.

[heavenlee]

Lavida has flimsy interiors. Its a chinese car masquerading as a euro car.

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Agree with you sir. VW Philippines is shortchanging the Phil. market, IMO.

[chon961]

That's just so unfortunate for the Philippines. I know I read somewhere the Jetta was also made in China. Oh well.

The Jetta is Made in Mexico. The reason why VW decided to bring in the China made Lavida here is to reduce the import/ shipping charges.

The Indian made Polo was also replaced with the China made Santana for the same reason (although I think hindi na dapat pinalitan ang Polo, dahil sa Asian country din naman galing.)

[olats]

The Jetta is Made in Mexico. The reason why VW decided to bring in the China made Lavida here is to reduce the import/ shipping charges.

The Indian made Polo was also replaced with the China made Santana for the same reason (although I think hindi na dapat pinalitan ang Polo, dahil sa Asian country din naman galing.)

Agree. Yun polo, baka mas mahal kung sakali after applying TRAIN. Kasi yun Lavida and Jetta, magkapresyo so I'm guessing mas mahal na talaga dapat ang Jetta.

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[hardwang]

Kung ang budget mo 1.1M, tignan niyo na din yung Ford Focus 1.5L Ecoboost, yung base model nila.

Naka turbo na - 180HP/240Nm, leather seats, etc, daming pang discounts. SOBRANG SULIT.
Got one a year ago, sarap idrive, sobrang tulin.
Minsan di ko namamalayan 100km/h na pala ako, akala ko nasa 70km/h pa, tahimik siya pag mabilis.
Inalis na nila yung super problematic DCT from the previous model, normal 6 speed torque converter na ang transmission nito ngayon.
No issues so far except for the usual scraping nung front skirts paminsan.

Fuel consumption is not that bad. Been getting 7.8km/L in an avg speed of 19km/h. City driving yan with a little bit of full throttle. I believe more than 8km/L is achievable kaso tempting magpabilis.

And if you care about 0-100 times, its around 8.1 to 8.4 seconds.

[Egan101]

Kung ang budget mo 1.1M, tignan niyo na din yung Ford Focus 1.5L Ecoboost, yung base model nila.

Naka turbo na - 180HP/240Nm, leather seats, etc, daming pang discounts. SOBRANG SULIT.
Got one a year ago, sarap idrive, sobrang tulin.
Minsan di ko namamalayan 100km/h na pala ako, akala ko nasa 70km/h pa, tahimik siya pag mabilis.
Inalis na nila yung super problematic DCT from the previous model, normal 6 speed torque converter na ang transmission nito ngayon.
No issues so far except for the usual scraping nung front skirts paminsan.

Fuel consumption is not that bad. Been getting 7.8km/L in an avg speed of 19km/h. City driving yan with a little bit of full throttle. I believe more than 8km/L is achievable kaso tempting magpabilis.

And if you care about 0-100 times, its around 8.1 to 8.4 seconds.

No question on the capabilities of the Focus Ecoboost but sadly, the unreliability of the DCT model has impacted the sales of this 6AT model.

That's good that you are getting 7+ km/L per liter which is decent for an engine of that output. My friend who owns the hatchback model is only getting between 6-7 km/L on Sucat-MOA traffic.

Medyo mababa talaga road clearance ng Ford cars (Fiesta, Focus). Sayad yung chin minsan sa mga humps or inclined parking.

For 1.08M, you can get the base model hatchback or sedan and you can get one quick car despite being heavy for a compact. Actual 0-100 kmh as per most reviews is just above 8 seconds which is about the same as the Mazda3 2.0L and other midsize cars (Accord 2.4L, Mazda6 2.5L).

[heavenlee]

The Jetta is Made in Mexico. The reason why VW decided to bring in the China made Lavida here is to reduce the import/ shipping charges.

The Indian made Polo was also replaced with the China made Santana for the same reason (although I think hindi na dapat pinalitan ang Polo, dahil sa Asian country din naman galing.)

FAW-Volkswagen is the joint venture between VW Germany and First Automobile Group of China to produce VW vehicles in China. Its lineup includes the Jetta. Question is, if FAW-VW still produces the Jetta, why didn't VW Philippines just import that instead of phasing it out here?



From their website -- 关于一汽-大众

"FAW-Volkswagen Automotive Co., Ltd. (hereinafter referred to as FAW-Volkswagen) was established on February 6, 1991. It is invested by China First Automobile Group Co., Ltd., Volkswagen AG, Audi Automobile Co., and Volkswagen (China). The large-scale passenger car enterprise jointly operated by the company is the first modern passenger car enterprise built in China on the basis of economic scale."

"From the original brand of a factory, to the current Audi and Volkswagen brands covering the 14 series of A, B and C products, FAW-Volkswagen has become the largest car company in the Chinese car industry. one.

In December 1991, the first product, Jetta, came out;"

Another website -- Volkswagen Group China FAW-Volkswagen

From one product and one brand at the time of its founding, FAW-Volkswagen has now developed 10 major product series under the Audi and Volkswagen brands: Audi A6L, Audi Q5, Audi A4L, Audi Q3, Magotan, CC, Satigar, Bora, Golf and Jetta.

Another website -- Volkswagen Jetta Sportline launched on the Chinese auto market - CarNewsChina.com

"The new Volkswagen Jetta Sportline has been launched on the Chinese auto market, priced at 134.800 yuan. The Jetta Sportline is a sporty variant of the China-only Volkswagen Jetta sedan. The Sportline comes with a racy body kit, a sporty black upper grille, a sporty black lower grille, a subtle spoiler at the back, speedy multispoke alloys, and some sporty stitching inside."

[chon961]

FAW-Volkswagen is the joint venture between VW Germany and First Automobile Group of China to produce VW vehicles in China. Its lineup includes the Jetta. Question is, if FAW-VW still produces the Jetta, why didn't VW Philippines just import that instead of phasing it out here?



From their website -- 关于一汽-大众

"FAW-Volkswagen Automotive Co., Ltd. (hereinafter referred to as FAW-Volkswagen) was established on February 6, 1991. It is invested by China First Automobile Group Co., Ltd., Volkswagen AG, Audi Automobile Co., and Volkswagen (China). The large-scale passenger car enterprise jointly operated by the company is the first modern passenger car enterprise built in China on the basis of economic scale."

"From the original brand of a factory, to the current Audi and Volkswagen brands covering the 14 series of A, B and C products, FAW-Volkswagen has become the largest car company in the Chinese car industry. one.

In December 1991, the first product, Jetta, came out;"

Another website -- Volkswagen Group China FAW-Volkswagen

From one product and one brand at the time of its founding, FAW-Volkswagen has now developed 10 major product series under the Audi and Volkswagen brands: Audi A6L, Audi Q5, Audi A4L, Audi Q3, Magotan, CC, Satigar, Bora, Golf and Jetta.

Another website -- Volkswagen Jetta Sportline launched on the Chinese auto market - CarNewsChina.com

"The new Volkswagen Jetta Sportline has been launched on the Chinese auto market, priced at 134.800 yuan. The Jetta Sportline is a sporty variant of the China-only Volkswagen Jetta sedan. The Sportline comes with a racy body kit, a sporty black upper grille, a sporty black lower grille, a subtle spoiler at the back, speedy multispoke alloys, and some sporty stitching inside."

The PH Market Jetta TDI is not available in China. The nearest model to our PH Jetta is the Sagitar, which has a gas engine.

The Jetta Sportline that you were referring to is a different car from our local Jetta, it also has a gas engine. The Chinese Jetta is based on the MK4 Seat Toledo, compared to the PH Jetta that was based from the Golf MK6.

It also explains why the GOLF GTS Sportwagon will also be replaced by a Chinese made Santana GTS. The GOLF Sportwagon TDI is not available in China.

[hardwang]

No question on the capabilities of the Focus Ecoboost but sadly, the unreliability of the DCT model has impacted the sales of this 6AT model.

That's good that you are getting 7+ km/L per liter which is decent for an engine of that output. My friend who owns the hatchback model is only getting between 6-7 km/L on Sucat-MOA traffic.

Medyo mababa talaga road clearance ng Ford cars (Fiesta, Focus). Sayad yung chin minsan sa mga humps or inclined parking.

For 1.08M, you can get the base model hatchback or sedan and you can get one quick car despite being heavy for a compact. Actual 0-100 kmh as per most reviews is just above 8 seconds which is about the same as the Mazda3 2.0L and other midsize cars (Accord 2.4L, Mazda6 2.5L).

6-7km/L seems about right for heavy traffic.

True, may stigma na ngayon yung Focus na unreliable daw ang transmission.
Even old Focus owners thought that this is still DCT.
Dami din nagtatanong sa akin bakit Focus daw pinili ko eh madaming issues daw sa transmission. Sabi ko updated na, balik na sila sa reliable torque converter.

The sales rep said I was the first one who bought a Focus in our city. Around 6 months may dalawa na akong nakita. I’d like to think I was able to influence them when they saw me roaming around.

[jut703]

Sobrang sama ng perception ng Focus. My friend bought his Focus in 2013 for 1M. Sold it in 2017 for 320k. Less than 1/3 of bnew in just 4 years!

But it was rightfully deserved - his DCT had issues requiring the car to be in the dealership for several weeks at a time. When he needed replacement for suspension parts, it would also take weeks to arrive.

The Focus has a great engine and a great drive. I doubt though if many people will see that as enough reason to buy one.

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[heavenlee]

The PH Market Jetta TDI is not available in China. The nearest model to our PH Jetta is the Sagitar, which has a gas engine.

The Jetta Sportline that you were referring to is a different car from our local Jetta, it also has a gas engine. The Chinese Jetta is based on the MK4 Seat Toledo, compared to the PH Jetta that was based from the Golf MK6.

It also explains why the GOLF GTS Sportwagon will also be replaced by a Chinese made Santana GTS. The GOLF Sportwagon TDI is not available in China.

That explains a lot. Thanks for the clarifications, sir. I am enlightened.

[hardwang]

Sobrang sama ng perception ng Focus. My friend bought his Focus in 2013 for 1M. Sold it in 2017 for 320k. Less than 1/3 of bnew in just 4 years!

But it was rightfully deserved - his DCT had issues requiring the car to be in the dealership for several weeks at a time. When he needed replacement for suspension parts, it would also take weeks to arrive.

The Focus has a great engine and a great drive. I doubt though if many people will see that as enough reason to buy one.

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Yup. The pre facelift focus with the DCT has an awfully problematic tranny.
I did my research though and found out they used a regular torque converter in the focus ecoboost.

You are correct, parts will be a pain. But with the right connections, OEM parts are quite easy to find. It also helps that we have a good relationship with the Ford casa here.

I think the Focus leans towards the enthusiast side. Similar to the Mazda3. It prioritizes driving dynamics over practicality.

[jut703]

Yup. The pre facelift focus with the DCT has an awfully problematic tranny.
I did my research though and found out they used a regular torque converter in the focus ecoboost.

You are correct, parts will be a pain. But with the right connections, OEM parts are quite easy to find. It also helps that we have a good relationship with the Ford casa here.

I think the Focus leans towards the enthusiast side. Similar to the Mazda3. It prioritizes driving dynamics over practicality.

That's the point. The Civic, Jetta, and especially the Mazda 3 are all great handling cars with none of the negative perceptions of the Focus.

So as a buyer - why will I get a Focus when a 3/Civic/Jetta drives just as well without being a headache?

This is not a hypothetical scenario - all 3 of these cars sell far better than the Focus. So the buying market really doesn't see any reason to buy the Focus over those cars. There are outliers here and there (like you) but in general, there's no interest in the Focus.



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[Egan101]

^^^ I would gladly trade my Fiesta Ecoboost with a Focus Ecoboost if a situation presents itself. I will welcome the additional grunt of that 1.5L turbo engine. Puwede rin Civic 1.5L Turbo or Mazda3 2.0L.

[chon961]

That explains a lot. Thanks for the clarifications, sir. I am enlightened.

Isa ako sa mga nalungkot when they decided to replace the Jetta, Polo and Golf with the Chinese units.

Although I cant afford a brand new one, I might be able to acquire a used Golf Wagon a few years from now. Kaya lang parts support will surely be a problem, as they will concentrate on the parts support of their current model lineup.

[Egan101]

Isa ako sa mga nalungkot when they decided to replace the Jetta, Polo and Golf with the Chinese units.

Although I cant afford a brand new one, I might be able to acquire a used Golf Wagon a few years from now. Kaya lang parts support will surely be a problem, as they will concentrate on the parts support of their current model lineup.

As long as China is manufacturing the platform, parts will be available. Since the Jetta is still being sold there by the numbers, the local dealer (Ayala Automotive) will have adequate supply of parts for it.

[hardwang]

That's the point. The Civic, Jetta, and especially the Mazda 3 are all great handling cars with none of the negative perceptions of the Focus.

So as a buyer - why will I get a Focus when a 3/Civic/Jetta drives just as well without being a headache?

This is not a hypothetical scenario - all 3 of these cars sell far better than the Focus. So the buying market really doesn't see any reason to buy the Focus over those cars. There are outliers here and there (like you) but in general, there's no interest in the Focus.



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As the other guy said, the extra grunt of the turbo helps and it is addictive as hell. All the car you mentioned cannot even come close in matching the Focus in terms of performance. The only car that can beat it is the Civic RS which now is around P1.4M? But that’s a TOTL model. Kind of unfair to compare it.

I bought the focus with the mindset that its such a bargain for P1.088M excluding discounts. We’re talking about base models here, and the Focus feels like one of the most complete packages out there. Leather thrones, torque vectoring, and a turbo charged engine.

It ain’t a headache, but that’s the stigma though. The DCT affected people’s perception. But with a little research the car in reality is quite reliable, its one of the highest selling cars in the world according to some reports. Dito lang sa pinas takot ang mga tao sa American cars. But then again, Japanese cars have always been generally more reliable in the past and easier to fix. I guess it really does depend in what you priorites are and what you grew up with.