audio set-up for beginners [continued]

[jhnkvn]

Siento,

You can't bypass the DAC of the head unit as long as it is analog. For example, we have a Pioneer 80PRS and a Alpine H800 processor. The chain is Pioneer 80PRS -> Alpine H800 -> Amplifiers -> Speakers. But since it's analog connection or via RCA plugs, the source is still modified/affected by the Pioneer's DAC. Only way you can bypass the Pioneer's DAC is if the signal is purely digital like from binary CD data (0s and 1s) directly out of a digital output (SPDIF/digital coaxial).1

[sientobente]

I am actually assuiming that the headunit of the swft has an optical out, like mine. Also, if the signal that passes through coming from the HU goes analog and then passes through the DAC of the processor. The processor's DAC will prevail.

[sientobente]

passive ba yan processor bro?

DSP idol. Like our AVRs when we use a BD/DVD/media player, it has it's own DAC and it goes through our AVR. Yun lang, difference with external processors sa kotse, it does not have a pass-through option.

[D3nb3r]

Siento,

You can't bypass the DAC of the head unit as long as it is analog. For example, we have a Pioneer 80PRS and a Alpine H800 processor. The chain is Pioneer 80PRS -> Alpine H800 -> Amplifiers -> Speakers. But since it's analog connection or via RCA plugs, the source is still modified/affected by the Pioneer's DAC. Only way you can bypass the Pioneer's DAC is if the signal is purely digital like from binary CD data (0s and 1s) directly out of a digital output (SPDIF/digital coaxial).1

So hindi po advisable mag stock HU>DSP>amplifier na setup? Plan ko sana to install a processor in the future dahil limited lang capabilities ng HU ko and ayaw ko rin palitan HU ko dahil sa TPMS, GPS and etc na mga features.

[ninjababez]

DSP idol. Like our AVRs when we use a BD/DVD/media player, it has it's own DAC and it goes through our AVR. Yun lang, difference with external processors sa kotse, it does not have a pass-through option.

I am actually assuiming that the headunit of the swft has an optical out, like mine. Also, if the signal that passes through coming from the HU goes analog and then passes through the DAC of the processor. The processor's DAC will prevail.

ah ganun pala yun hehehe
mas madali pa yata sa ht kasi walang mavoid na warranty hehehe

btw mga bros sa experience nyo ba after a year of use na OK ang electricals ng auto, is it safe to say na OK na sya imod to upgrade the sound setup?

[barurut]

If you will have it installed from a reputable and reliable shop, i dont see anything to worry about. First thing i do with a new car is modify electricals (sound set up, lights, etc.) and i haven't had any issues so far (3 cars na so far).

[jhnkvn]

So hindi po advisable mag stock HU>DSP>amplifier na setup? Plan ko sana to install a processor in the future dahil limited lang capabilities ng HU ko and ayaw ko rin palitan HU ko dahil sa TPMS, GPS and etc na mga features.

Depends on the head unit, but take note that a lot of stock head units has filters built into it. Unless you have a way in bypassing the filters, you'll get sub-optimal sound.

Still, the term is "sub-optimal", for many.. the inclusion of a processor and tuning is still a leap ahead.

[jhnkvn]

So hindi po advisable mag stock HU>DSP>amplifier na setup? Plan ko sana to install a processor in the future dahil limited lang capabilities ng HU ko and ayaw ko rin palitan HU ko dahil sa TPMS, GPS and etc na mga features.

Depends on the head unit, but take note that a lot of stock head units has filters built into it. Unless you have a way in bypassing the filters, you'll get sub-optimal sound.

Still, the term is "sub-optimal", for many.. the inclusion of a processor and tuning is still a leap ahead.

[sientobente]

Audison processors have a De-Equalization feature. I think that is an important tool for HU's with unwanted filters.

[sientobente]

ah ganun pala yun hehehe
mas madali pa yata sa ht kasi walang mavoid na warranty hehehe

btw mga bros sa experience nyo ba after a year of use na OK ang electricals ng auto, is it safe to say na OK na sya imod to upgrade the sound setup?

When I got my new car, it only took me 3 weeks to see if anything is failing. Afterwards, I started modding the sound system. Didn't have an ounce of regret. Happy with the sound setup. Kaya upgrade na natin yan idol

[ninjababez]

kasi nung sinabi ko pa lang sa casa plano ko palitan ng 2smb yung battery di na daw kaya kailangan daw reprogram ecu

[sientobente]

kasi nung sinabi ko pa lang sa casa plano ko palitan ng 2smb yung battery di na daw kaya kailangan daw reprogram ecu

that is a lot of crap idol. anong kinalaman ng battery sa ecu? ibig sabihin ba everytime na due magpalit ng battery, kelangan ireprogram ecu? kahit malaki yung ipalit mo, ang magiging problema lang dyan is mounting, kasi pareho lang din daloy ng kuryente dyan from 10 to 14+v.

[sientobente]

kasi nung sinabi ko pa lang sa casa plano ko palitan ng 2smb yung battery di na daw kaya kailangan daw reprogram ecu

that is a lot of crap idol. anong kinalaman ng battery sa ecu? ibig sabihin ba everytime na due magpalit ng battery, kelangan ireprogram ecu? kahit malaki yung ipalit mo, ang magiging problema lang dyan is mounting, kasi pareho lang din daloy ng kuryente dyan from 10 to 14+v.

[kimbon]

that is a lot of crap idol. anong kinalaman ng battery sa ecu? ibig sabihin ba everytime na due magpalit ng battery, kelangan ireprogram ecu? kahit malaki yung ipalit mo, ang magiging problema lang dyan is mounting, kasi pareho lang din daloy ng kuryente dyan from 10 to 14+v.

+1 here. ecu will reset not reprogram once the batt disconnected from the car terminal. for example you may reset the ecu if the idle speed (RPM) is below 600rpm or if the engine stalls etc... similar to the principle of your CP. Your CP will not reprogram/reformat once you took off the batt instead it will reset only.

[kimbon]

that is a lot of crap idol. anong kinalaman ng battery sa ecu? ibig sabihin ba everytime na due magpalit ng battery, kelangan ireprogram ecu? kahit malaki yung ipalit mo, ang magiging problema lang dyan is mounting, kasi pareho lang din daloy ng kuryente dyan from 10 to 14+v.

+1 here. ecu will reset not reprogram once the batt disconnected from the car terminal. for example you may reset the ecu if the idle speed (RPM) is below 600rpm or if the engine stalls etc... similar to the principle of your CP. Your CP will not reprogram/reformat once you took off the batt instead it will reset only.

[ninjababez]

thanks mga bro. but will this void my warranty?

[sientobente]

thanks mga bro. but will this void my warranty?

supposedly idol, they void the electrical warranty, but all other warranties should be intact.

[ninjababez]

sige bro pag isipan ko

[kazer]

What would you recommend mga sir.

I'll be getting a second hand amp (JBL a604) with a good price I think.
considering GTO 609c seps by the way

Dilemma ko ngayon is to get the sellers sub a GTO 1014 with box with a good price rin.
then ipon konti to save for a mono for this sub afterwards / just be happy to use also the amp to power this sub.
or
proceed with the initial plan to get a GT5-12 sub and buy new box (which roughly 7k)
then use the amps to power the sub and seperates.

based on research there is not much difference with this 2 sub (based on my understanding spec wise the GTO 1014 is much better / at par with the GT5-12)

is there balance with this components ? or what they call level matching ?


what should i do ?

[jhnkvn]

What would you recommend mga sir.

I'll be getting a second hand amp (JBL a604) with a good price I think.
considering GTO 609c seps by the way

Dilemma ko ngayon is to get the sellers sub a GTO 1014 with box with a good price rin.
then ipon konti to save for a mono for this sub afterwards / just be happy to use also the amp to power this sub.
or
proceed with the initial plan to get a GT5-12 sub and buy new box (which roughly 7k)
then use the amps to power the sub and seperates.

based on research there is not much difference with this 2 sub (based on my understanding spec wise the GTO 1014 is much better / at par with the GT5-12)

is there balance with this components ? or what they call level matching ?

what should i do ?

Woah, that's an expensive box at 7,000php.

The GTO1014 is more expensive. It's a "GTO" hence higher than the "GT" in JBL's lineup. The main difference will go to the added 2" that the GT12 has. Since surface area is king when it comes to bass - that's why although there are small subwoofers, larger subwoofers will still eat them for lunch.

I will caution muna sa mga seller. Make sure you trust him. Ask him how long as it been used and make sure to get a personal warranty. While subwoofers are durable speakers, most people especially in the budget range, tend to misuse their subwoofers.

Also, the box should conform to your needs. If trunk space is important, then go for a smaller sealed enclosure over the typically bigger ported box.

There's no such thing as matching in car audio. Your car acoustics alone is the biggest variable and since you can't control that, there's no such thing as "matching" in car audio. Level matching is simply tuning the amplifier gains so that your speakers and subwoofer output isn't overpowering each other -- they're "level" when it comes to their loudness.