Toyota Innova Owners & Discussions [continued 3]

[Erick Chavez]

pinag loloko tayo ni toyota sa facelift, di man lang binago yung posisyon ng turnilyo

Worth it ba ang gayan na convert facelift?

[Stigg ma]

Worth it ba ang gayan na convert facelift?

kung may extra pera eh why not... mas okay mag ka hiwalay ang foglight at turn light, di yata makita ang turn/signal light kapag naka ilaw ang fog light

[Erick Chavez]

kung may extra pera eh why not... mas okay mag ka hiwalay ang foglight at turn light, di yata makita ang turn/signal light kapag naka ilaw ang fog light

Hindi ko kasi alam if magkaiba ang beam or buga ng foglight dyan sa new na face nya, yung sakin 2019 so far satisfied ako sa foglight w/ LED na naka install

[thearsenal1205]

pinag loloko tayo ni toyota sa facelift, di man lang binago yung posisyon ng turnilyo

How much yung conversion sa bagong facelift?

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[dr. d]

pinag loloko tayo ni toyota sa facelift, di man lang binago yung posisyon ng turnilyo

that's why it's called a facelift, sir.

the bony structure underneath is the same,
while the overlying skin and soft tissues are manipulated.

that way,
owners of older models who do not have the wherewithal to purchase new cars, may avail of facelift kits to youngify their old bones....
think of the additional money the manufacturer will rake in!

so, is a facelift worth it?
it always depends on one's point of view...

personally,
i prefer stock original.

[Vann-O]

pinag loloko tayo ni toyota sa facelift, di man lang binago yung posisyon ng turnilyo

It really shouldn't be a surprise. It's just a "facelift". Trend yan to most other carmakers. Magtaka po kayo kung All-new yan tapos same "posisyon ng turnilyo" prin.

[ParticleX]

2KD. nagpa full tank ako. i always turn off the engine and remove the key sa cylinder when i do gas up.

nung nag start, the needle didn't moved at all (it was 3/4 before). pati yung range km indicator hindi tumaas. i tried restarting a few times pero ganun pa din.

weirded out, umuwi muna ako. tumaas naman sa F pero soooooobrang bagal, like mga 1-2KM muna bago mag F.

may lakad ako later that day and uneventful naman, pero the range km indicator hindi pa rin tumaas. bumababa just like driving it normally.

pag uwi ko, i decided na tanggalin yung negative battery terminal overnight to clear any electrical gremlins. pag start ko ngayong umaga, bumalik na sa 530KM yung range.

ngayon observing muna kung accurate pa din yung gauge, monitor na lang palagi sa trip meter versus yung estimated range when i fill up.

may naka experience na nito sa inyo?

[dr. d]

2KD. nagpa full tank ako. i always turn off the engine and remove the key sa cylinder when i do gas up.

nung nag start, the needle didn't moved at all (it was 3/4 before). pati yung range km indicator hindi tumaas. i tried restarting a few times pero ganun pa din.

weirded out, umuwi muna ako. tumaas naman sa F pero soooooobrang bagal, like mga 1-2KM muna bago mag F.

may lakad ako later that day and uneventful naman, pero the range km indicator hindi pa rin tumaas. bumababa just like driving it normally.

pag uwi ko, i decided na tanggalin yung negative battery terminal overnight to clear any electrical gremlins. pag start ko ngayong umaga, bumalik na sa 530KM yung range.

ngayon observing muna kung accurate pa din yung gauge, monitor na lang palagi sa trip meter versus yung estimated range when i fill up.

may naka experience na nito sa inyo?

we have three innovae.
their fuel gauge needles do take a long time to move, after re-fueling, even when new.
i don't pay attention to their slow rise to power, anymore. they do get there, eventually.

the E variant has only two ordinary trip counters, and one odometer.
the G variant has trip counter, km/li, range, temp, etc.
i zero them after re-fueling.

one of the cars, however, developed an issue that i have not been able to fix.
the highest the fuel needle can go, is 3/4, even at uma-apaw na full tank.
but the empty-indicator needle position, has also gone down about 1/4 lower than usual.
i just learned to adjust my feelings about it.
the low-fuel light is powered by another circuit, i think, and still functions as per usual.

[oj88]

That's normal.

A bit of history: Analog fuel gauges of yesteryears were directly hooked up as a discrete circuit. That means, the gauge and the fuel sender (the float inside the tank) are hooked up directly. When the float goes up, the gauge needle goes up, almost instantaneously. The problem is, when fuel sloshes around inside the tank or if you drive up or downhill, the float tends to jump around, which can lead to the fuel gauge going all over the place. The solution at the time was simply to incorporate a damping effect on the gauge. This slowed down the gauge needle so it doesn't mirror what the float is doing inside the tank in real time.

Today, fuel gauges are controlled electronically. Meaning, there's no direct connection between the fuel sender and the gauge. The fuel sender sends its values to the ECU and the ECU tells the fuel gauge how much fuel is in the tank. It also runs the display on the trip computers to show your range, among other things. The physical dampening is no longer with the gauge needle.... this is now done by the computer.

If you filled up your fuel tank while the engine is running, the computer will sense that the float is rising consistently, and it will tell the gauge to move up in near real time. But if you turned off the engine at say, half a tank (the last fuel quantity the computer saw before going to sleep), then you gave it a full tank, then restart the engine, suddenly the computer will see that the tank went from half to full. It will initially see it as an error and keep the needle pointing at half-tank. But if that level remains consistent (which it will be after a fill-up), the computer will decide that it's not an error and will gradually raise the gauge needle, albeit slowly due to electronic dampening and averaging, and will eventually give you the correct fuel readout after some time.

[ParticleX]

i disagree na it's normal, ever since i am fueling it up na tanggal susi, when it is filled up palo agad sa full when i turn it on. reflect din agad yung range km indicator.

same behavior with the 1GD na palo din agad pati range. ngayon ko lang naexperience ito.

can't short the float to test kasi walang access sa pump from inside the cabin, baba fuel tank agad.

[oj88]

It's true that there's potential that there's something wrong with your vehicle. However, if it doesn't reoccur, then chalk it up as a function, not a bug.

Just to quote somebody else who understands how the instrument cluster fuel gauge works....

Disclaimer: This may or may not be the standard for all manufacturers but I know well enough that they always use some sort of algorithm on said gauge. I have personally experienced the phenomenon in some form or another on about every car I've driven since the 90's.

The instrument cluster uses 4 different operating modes to calculate the fuel level:

1. Anti-slosh (default mode)
2. Key OFF fueling
3. Key ON fueling
4. Recovery

After a fuel fill up, the time for the fuel gauge to move from empty (E) to full (F) ranges from 2 seconds to 55 minutes depending on which operating mode the fuel gauge is in.

A. The default fuel gauge mode is called the anti-slosh mode. To prevent fuel gauge changes from fuel slosh (gauge instability due to changes in fuel sender readings caused by fuel moving around in the tank), the fuel gauge takes approximately 55 minutes to go from empty (E) to full (F).

B. The key OFF fueling mode (2 seconds to read empty [E] to full [F]) requires 3 conditions be met:

The key must be in the OFF position throughout the entire refueling of the vehicle.

At least 15% of the vehicle's fuel capacity must be added to the fuel tank.

The instrument cluster must receive a valid key ON fuel sender reading within 1 second of the key being put into the RUN position. The key ON sample readings are considered valid if the fuel sender reading is between 15 ohms ± 2 ohms and 160 ohms ± 4 ohms.

If these conditions are not met, the fuel gauge stays in the anti-slosh mode, which results in a slow to read full (F) event.

C. The key ON fueling mode (approximately 90 seconds to read empty [E] to full [F]) requires 3 conditions be met:

The transmission is in PARK (P).
The key is in the RUN position.
At least 15% of the vehicle's fuel capacity must be added to the fuel tank.

In key ON fueling mode, a 30-second timer activates after the transmission is put into the PARK (P) position (automatic transmissions). When the 30-second time has elapsed and at least 15% of the vehicle's fuel capacity has been added, the fuel gauge response time is 90 seconds to read from empty (E) to full (F). When the transmission is shifted out of PARK (P), the fuel gauge strategy reverts to the anti-slosh mode. The key on refueling mode prevents slow to read full events from happening if the customer refuels the vehicle with the key in the RUN position.

D. Recovery mode is incorporated into the instrument cluster strategy to recover from a missing fuel level input during a refueling event. Missing fuel level inputs result from intermittent opens in the fuel sender or its circuits. Recovery mode (empty [E] to full [F] approximately 20 minutes) is initiated when the following 2 conditions are met:

The instrument cluster is in the anti-slosh (default) mode.
The actual fuel level in the tank is greater than what is being displayed by the fuel gauge.

So depending on which of your actions triggered which mode, the gauge may not indicate the correct fuel quantity for a while.

[ice15]

Would you want a better-equipped Toyota Innova? | Visor

Recently, Toyota Malaysia launched a new variant of the Innova called the X.

Changes include front and rear bumper spoilers, over-fenders, rocker lower molding, blacked-out 17-inch wheels, automatic LED headlamps, a black grille with dark chrome accents, a new nine-inch infotainment system, a wireless charger; third-row USB charge points, and a blind-spot monitor with rear cross-traffic alert.

There are also interesting optional features like Toyota Premium Security and Solar Film, as well as a dashboard camera for the front and the rear.

This particular variant is very similar to the Innova Venturer of Indonesia. On the other hand, the Innova in Thailand, particularly the Crysta Premium, has cruise control.

[Stigg ma]

Would you want a better-equipped Toyota Innova? | Visor

ang ganda, pero baka mas mura pa ang hyndai staria kaysa dito

[thearsenal1205]

Would you want a better-equipped Toyota Innova? | Visor

this should be the new touring sport when it arrives here. the old touring sport (pre facelift) was basically a 2.8e with some body kit, blacked out 16' wheels and auto alarm.

[Stigg ma]

para sa mga nasobrahan ang pera dyan

[soullinker20]

using Bnew 2022 innova E. ok lang po kaya magparetrofit ng headlights? ang concern ko lang po ay yung warranty.

[sirkosero]

using Bnew 2022 innova E. ok lang po kaya magparetrofit ng headlights? ang concern ko lang po ay yung warranty.

Void electrical warranty yan. Pati headlight void din warranty. Pag medyo kups pa SA mo, void buong warranty

But warranties are over rated.

Go lang. Find a good installer. Btw, be prepared magkaroon ng blisters yung itim na part sa ilalim ng headlight mo. Nasusunog kasi yun dahil sa araw. Parang magnifying glass kasi ang effect nya pag naaninagan ng araw.

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[soullinker20]

Void electrical warranty yan. Pati headlight void din warranty. Pag medyo kups pa SA mo, void buong warranty

But warranties are over rated.

Go lang. Find a good installer. Btw, be prepared magkaroon ng blisters yung itim na part sa ilalim ng headlight mo. Nasusunog kasi yun dahil sa araw. Parang magnifying glass kasi ang effect nya pag naaninagan ng araw.

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salamat po. ililipat ko rin po kasi ung DRL ko from other car.

[Erick Chavez]

using Bnew 2022 innova E. ok lang po kaya magparetrofit ng headlights? ang concern ko lang po ay yung warranty.

Isang option mo sir is palitan mo nalang muna ng LED light yung stock na bumbilya habang nasa warranty period ka pa...

sakin GPNE Led nakalagay low and high pati fog light.. so far may liwanag naman ang buhay... :D

[sirkosero]

salamat po. ililipat ko rin po kasi ung DRL ko from other car.

Yung kilay? Suggestion ko, wag na lang. Di bagay eh.

Or lagyan mo na lang ng demon eye at yun gawin mong DRL.

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