China Corona Virus Outbreak

[badkuk]

Is it just me or is the WHO more about playing politics and political correctness, rather than actually tackling the problem?

If we're gonna be politically correct about the Wuhan virus, then the Spanish influenza should be renamed as well.

If we're going to ban flights to/from Taiwan because of the outbreak, then we should ban flights to/from Thailand, Singapore, etc. as well since the number of cases are close to Taiwan's.

Taiwan got banned because China raised a howl about it being its territory. The whole thing stinks of politics.

[uls]

re immunity after infection


that is if this virus doesn't mutate or has several strains

like flu paiba iba ng strain bawat flu season kaya every year may bagong flu vaccine

like dengue has 4 strains

like there are more than 200 viruses that cause the common cold kaya they can't make a vaccine for common cold

[uls]

there is no doubt naman china didn't want this virus identified with wuhan or china

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taiwan nga hindi pina-member sa WHO

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and yes since taiwan is part of china, if you ban flights from china dapat kasama taiwan


that's the way it is

[uls]

and this coronavirus is an RNA virus

like HIV is also an RNA virus

RNA viruses are notorious for mutating a lot coz they don't have spellcheckers

kaya hanggang ngayon wala pa HIV vaccine (puro clinical trial after 30+ yrs)

i doubt they can make a vaccine for this coronavirus in a few months

[uls]

i recall in one of those hollywood virus contagion movies the US govt called in the troops to enforce quarantine

anyway, point is, when you have an outbreak of a killer virus, a government (ANY GOV'T) will have to decide that they have to use force even if it means violating human rights

it's a choice between not violating rights and allow more people to die

OR violate rights so less people die

VOLUNTARY QUARANTINE



OR INVOLUNTARY QUARANTINE

[uls]

basically at what point will you endorse the govt use force / violate human rights to save greater number of lives

or since you're such a big advocate of human rights, kahit mas madami mamatay ok lang basta huwag ma-violate ang karapatan ng tao

[Flipo]

How Xi Jinping’s ‘controlocracy’ lost control | Inquirer Opinion

How Xi Jinping’s ‘controlocracy’ lost control
By: Xiao Qiang - *inquirerdotnet04:04 AM February 12, 2020
BERKELEY—In his 2016 book “The Perfect Dictatorship: China in the 21st Century,” Norwegian political scientist Stein Ringen describes contemporary China as a “controlocracy,” arguing that its system of government has been transformed into a new regime radically harder and more ideological than what came before. China’s “controlocracy” now bears primary responsibility for the coronavirus epidemic that is sweeping across that country and the world.Over the past eight years, the central leadership of the Communist Party of China has taken steps to bolster President Xi Jinping’s personal authority, as well as expand the CPC’s own powers, at the expense of ministries and local and provincial governments. The central authorities have also waged a sustained crackdown on dissent, which has been felt across all domains of Chinese social and political life.

Under the controlocracy, websites have been shut down; lawyers, activists, and writers have been arrested; and a general chill has descended upon online expression and media reporting. Equally important, the system Xi has installed since 2012 is also driving the direction of new technologies in China. Cloud computing, big data, and artificial intelligence (AI) are all being deployed to strengthen the central government’s control over society.

The first coronavirus case appeared in Wuhan, the capital of Hubei province, on Dec. 1, 2019, and, as early as the middle of the month, the Chinese authorities had evidence that the virus could be transmitted between humans. Nonetheless, the government did not officially acknowledge the epidemic on national television until Jan. 20. During those seven weeks, Wuhan police punished eight health workers for attempting to sound the alarm on social media. They were accused of “spreading rumors” and disrupting “social order.”Meanwhile, the Hubei regional government continued to conceal the real number of coronavirus cases until after local officials had met with the central government in mid-January. In the event, overbearing censorship and bureaucratic obfuscation had squandered any opportunity to get the virus under control before it had spread across Wuhan, a city of 14 million people. By Jan. 23, when the government finally announced a quarantine on Wuhan residents, around five million people had already left the city, triggering the epidemic that is now spreading across China and the rest of the world.

When the true scale of the epidemic finally became apparent, Chinese public opinion reflected a predictable mix of anger, anxiety, and despair. People took to the internet to vent their rage and frustration. But it did not take long for the state to crack down, severely limiting the ability of journalists and concerned citizens to share information about the crisis.Then, on Feb. 3, after Xi had chaired the Standing Committee’s second meeting on the epidemic, the CPC’s propaganda apparatus was ordered to “guide public opinion and strengthen information control.” In practice, this means that cutting-edge AI and big-data technologies are being used to monitor the entirety of Chinese public opinion online. The controlocracy is now running at full throttle, with facial-, image-, and voice-recognition algorithms being used to anticipate and suppress any potential criticism of the government, and to squelch all “unofficial” information about the epidemic.

On Feb. 7, Li Wenliang, one of the physician-whistleblowers who tried to sound the alarm about the outbreak, died of coronavirus, which unleashed a firestorm on social media. The Chinese public is already commemorating him as a hero and victim who tried to tell the truth. Millions have taken to social media to express their grief, and to demand an apology from the Chinese government and freedom of expression.

For the first time since coming to power, Xi’s high-tech censorship machine is meeting with intense resistance from millions of Chinese internet users. The controlocracy is being put to the test. Most likely, though, the outbreak itself will be used to justify even more surveillance and control of the population.

Xi is an unabashed dictator. But his dictatorship is far from “perfect.” His obsessive need to control information has deprived Chinese citizens of their right to know what is happening in their communities, and potentially within their own bodies.

As of Feb. 9, the outbreak has killed more than 900 people and infected another 40,000 in over 25 countries. For all its advanced digital technologies and extraordinary economic and military power, China is being governed as if it were a premodern autocracy. The Chinese people deserve better. Unfortunately, they and the rest of the world will continue to pay a high price for Xi’s high-tech despotism.—Project Syndicate

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Xiao Qiang, founder and editor in chief of China Digital Times, is a research scientist at the School of Information, University of California, Berkeley.

[boybi]

basically at what point will you endorse the govt use force / violate human rights to save greater number of lives

or since you're such a big advocate of human rights, kahit mas madami mamatay ok lang basta huwag ma-violate ang karapatan ng tao

Masyado ng US-centric ang mundo. Kapag nangyari sa US etong COVID-19 do you think people will say they deserved it? Do you think people (Americans) will agree to an entire state being quarantined? Will countries enforce travel bans to and from the US?

[KingoftheNorth]

Asking for a friend.

Does anyone know if returning Filipinos from Japan are required to undergo quarantine? I think Japan is included in the list of countries with confirmed infection.

TIA

[uls]

Masyado ng US-centric ang mundo. Kapag nangyari sa US etong COVID-19 do you think people will say they deserved it? Do you think people (Americans) will agree to an entire state being quarantined? Will countries enforce travel bans to and from the US?

the pro-Americans here (which is almost everyone) will be like "PRAYING FOR AMERICA"

demand the govt to ban all flights from the US? not a word

[boybi]

Asking for a friend.

Does anyone know if returning Filipinos from Japan are required to undergo quarantine? I think Japan is included in the list of countries with confirmed infection.

TIA

As of the moment, hindi pa kasama ang Japan.

[uls]

RE: will Americans demand a whole state be quarantined during an outbreak?

hmm

i would bet on human nature's selfish desire for self preservation

when they see on the news and socmed a virus killing thousands in one state, the rest of America will likely demand that the federal govt mobilize the army to quarantine that state

[111prez]

there is no doubt naman china didn't want this virus identified with wuhan or china

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taiwan nga hindi pina-member sa WHO

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and yes since taiwan is part of china, if you ban flights from china dapat kasama taiwan


that's the way it is

Gusto ng China tawagin ito Taiwan Virus

Symptoms: uncontrollable sneezing for democracy and continuous coughing for freedom of information

[ale828]

At least 5 Wuhan medical staff infected with coronavirus

Not good.
Either their safety precautions on transmission is Lacking or the virus is lingering in the air longer.
It could be that the medical staff is too over worked lowering their resistance.

[uls]

At least 5 Wuhan medical staff infected with coronavirus

Not good.
Either their safety precautions on transmission is Lacking or the virus is lingering in the air longer.
It could be that the medical staff is too over worked lowering their resistance.

the virus seems easy to catch

see that british guy who got it in singapore and infected several people afterwards

what more kung front line seeing hundreds or even thousands of infected people

kahit may protection

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ung ship na naka quarantine sa Yokohama pataas nang pataas ang cases

may kanya kanyang kwarto naman

pero breathing the same air

[boybi]

Ano ba yung spray na ginagamit nila to disinfect the area/persons? Like what the government isdoing in Wuhan, using several trucks pumping out white smoke in the city, and those sprayed by Indonesian quarantine officers on expatriated passengers from Wuhan? Effective ba yun to kill the virus? Bakit hindi gamitin nalang yun in all ports of entry?

[uls]

Ano ba yung spray na ginagamit nila to disinfect the area/persons? Like what the government isdoing in Wuhan, using several trucks pumping out white smoke in the city, and those sprayed by Indonesian quarantine officers on expatriated passengers from Wuhan? Effective ba yun to kill the virus? Bakit hindi gamitin nalang yun in all ports of entry?

ung sa wuhan trucks spray sabi it's a mixture of alcohol and water

75% alcohol daw

[uls]

see how easy it is for just 1 man to spread the virus

[Monseratto]

Wuhan coronavirus: Patients face risk of reinfection, experts warn - Business Insider

Doctors and virologists don't yet know enough about the Wuhan coronavirus to say whether humans develop full immunity after they've contracted the illness. According to Zhan, doctors aren't sure that the antibodies patients develop are strong or long-lasting enough to keep them from contracting the disease again.

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[Monseratto]

Ano ba yung spray na ginagamit nila to disinfect the area/persons? Like what the government isdoing in Wuhan, using several trucks pumping out white smoke in the city, and those sprayed by Indonesian quarantine officers on expatriated passengers from Wuhan? Effective ba yun to kill the virus? Bakit hindi gamitin nalang yun in all ports of entry?

The virus hides inside the respiratory system... People cull farm animals within a radius to prevent a virus spread. So spraying disinfectant may not do anything since the virus dies outside the host in three hours.