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    to want to investigate China with the goal to prove the virus is lab-made is already "partial"

    paano kung outsourced ng US to China ang virus research?

    will the investigation reveal that?

    or will they stop at China and hide the true source?

    sa nabasa ko US NIH gave funding to Wuhan Institute of Virology starting in 2014

    two 3.7 million dollar tranches

    guess where the 2nd tranche of funding went to?

    gain-of-function research

    gain-of-function is making a virus infect other animals (in other words make a supervirus)

    in this case making a bat virus infectious to humans

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    that vaccine is DOA

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    What is your take on airplane flight? Is it relatively safe with all the hepa filtrations installed inside the aircraft that can get rid of tiny particles and you breathe in new cleaned air everytime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    that vaccine is DOA
    That media outfit is irresponsible to be reporting that when it isn't known if the participant received the vaccine or just a placebo.

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    Number of South Koreans dying after flu shot rises, prompts vaccine worries - CNA

    At least 13 South Koreans have died after receiving flu shots in recent days, according to official and local media reports, ramping up fears about vaccine safety even as authorities rule out a link.

    Health authorities said on Wednesday (Oct 21) they had no plans to suspend a programme to inoculate around 19 million people for free after a preliminary investigation into six deaths found no direct connection to the vaccines.

    GC Pharma, LG Chem, SK Bioscience and Boryung declined to comment. Ilyang Pharmaceutical, Sanofi and GSK could not immediately be reached for comment.

    South Korea had extended its seasonal vaccine programme this year to ward off any potential COVID-19 complications and overburdening hospitals over the winter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deestone View Post
    What is your take on airplane flight? Is it relatively safe with all the hepa filtrations installed inside the aircraft that can get rid of tiny particles and you breathe in new cleaned air everytime.

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    that is, if we assume that the air exhaled by the passenger seated beside us, is immediately sucked in by the aircon and sequestered in the high efficiency particulate arrestance filter.
    but the truth is, the exhaled breath circulates for some time about the people, before it is finally sucked in by the air conditioning system of the plane.

    face mask?
    just how perfect is the seal?

    but this is my opinion only.

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    Volunteer in Oxford COVID-19 vaccine test dies in Brazil – officials


    However, organizers of the study said an independent review had concluded there were no safety concerns and that testing of the vaccine, developed with pharmaceutical firm AstraZeneca, would continue.

    Media reports said the volunteer was a 28-year-old doctor working on the front lines of the pandemic who died of complications from COVID-19.

    Brazilian newspaper Globo and international news agency Bloomberg said he was in the control group and had received a placebo rather than the test vaccine, citing sources close to the trials.

    "Following careful assessment of this case in Brazil, there have been no concerns about safety of the clinical trial, and the independent review in addition to the Brazilian regulator have recommended that the trial should continue," Oxford said in a statement.

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    #18649
    ^^^

    oh i see

    bawiin ko sinabi ko doa

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    Brazil's Trump clone isn't happy with the Chinese vaccine...


    Covid Vaccine: Bolsonaro Slams Sinovac's Coronavac, Which Brazil Said It'll Buy - Bloomberg

    The agreement prompted a flurry of negative comments from Bolsonaro’s more ideological supporters who oppose the purchase of a vaccine from China. On Wednesday morning, the president took to social media to publicly disavow the deal.

    “The Brazilian people WON’T BE ANYONE’S GUINEA PIG,” he wrote on his Facebook and Twitter pages, adding that billions can’t be spent on medication that is still being tested. “My decision is to not acquire the aforementioned vaccine.”

    Earlier this week, the Sao Paulo government said that the phase 3 trial for Coronavac had shown the vaccine was the safest available thus-far, though it’s efficacy still needs to be proven.

    Sinovac’s vaccine relies on an inactive version of the novel coronavirus to teach human immune systems to recognize and destroy the real thing. After completing early human testing in China, the company has launched the final phase of human testing in Brazil and Indonesia.

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    Mukhang Coronavac will be the first vaccine to be available locally...


    After passing PH vaccine panel evaluation, Sinovac seeks FDA OK | Inquirer News

    “Nakapasa na po sa pre-screening ng vaccine experts panel ‘yung Sinovac na nag-apply na rin po today sa FDA. So that is undergoing regulatory evaluation. Ganun din po ‘yung ethics board evaluation niya tuluy-tuloy din po ‘yun,” Domingo said over state-run PTV’s Laging Handa Public Briefing.

    (Sinovac, which already passed the pre-screening of the vaccine experts panel, has also applied today to the FDA. So it is undergoing regulatory evaluation. Its ethics board evaluation is ongoing as well.)

    After evaluating data from Phase 1 and 2 of the clinical trials, Domingo said the panel approved Sinovac’s vaccine after only seeing “very mild” side effects.

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    As the saying goes there is opportunity in every crisis....

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    Something to look forward to.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deestone View Post
    Something to look forward to.....

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    1 2 3 4 are permanently circulating and only cause common cold

    i think SARSCOV2 will also become permanent and become milder

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    None of the previous 6 coronavirus' have made such a devastating and widespread impact as the China Wuhan Virus.

    Most, if not all, were easily contained.

    Makes you wonder as to the real and true orgins of this one.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 111prez View Post
    None of the previous 6 coronavirus' have made such a devastating and widespread impact as the China Wuhan Virus.

    Most, if not all, were easily contained.

    Makes you wonder as to the real and true orgins of this one.

    A brief history of the coronavirus family -- including one pandemic we might have missed

    One we might have missed

    In 2005, a research group from Belgium postulated that the ancestor of hCoV-OC43 – one of the current human coronaviruses responsible for a common cold – jumped from cattle to humans, leading to what they described as a pandemic of respiratory disease recorded around 1890 in human history.

    The researchers argue that in the second half of the 19th century a highly infectious respiratory disease with a high mortality rate, now known as contagious bovine pleuropneumonia, affected cattle herds around the world. Even though most industrialised countries mounted massive culling operations in the period between 1870 and 1890 and were able to eradicate the disease by the beginning of the 20th century, it is plausible that the culling personnel, animal handlers and farmers could have been exposed to coronavirus-infected bovine respiratory secretions.

    Around the same time as this coronavirus jump from cow to human could have taken place, a human epidemic attributed to influenza was spreading around the world. This 1889-1890 pandemic was characterised by a general feeling of illness and discomfort, fever, and pronounced central nervous system symptoms. Strangely, the observed central nervous system symptoms were more pronounced during this epidemic than in other influenza outbreaks.

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    #18657
    SARS-classic and MERSCOV didn't become pandemics coz they were too deadly

    they killed too fast -- infected people are knocked down too quickly they didn't have time and opportunity to infect a lot of people

    unlike this virus where a lot of people barely have any symptoms

    pwede ka infected and you still feel good enough to go out

    that's why this is the perfect pandemic virus

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    just because the 4 other coronaviruses only cause common cold now doesn't mean they weren't deadly when they first infected humans

    viruses and humans both want to survive and as they struggle for survival they make an evolutionary deal

    "ok we co-exist"

    human says "if you don't kill me i'll give you a ride you can travel around the world forever"

    virus says "ok the worst i'll give you is a cold"

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    SO yes if you wanted to create a highly disruptive virus... one that can shut down the world economy... you're not gonna make one as deadly as ebola

    it won't spread very far

    you make a virus that won't knock down most of its hosts

    and with the help of 21st century air travel, the hosts can spread the virus around the world in a matter of weeks

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China Corona Virus Outbreak