China Corona Virus Outbreak

[_Cathy_]

tama.
when we hear news reports that the emergency rooms and the hospital queues have disappeared...
... when anyone who wishes to be confined due to covid is confined...

doc, sa isang hospital tinawagan ako Sep 24, may room na daw for me. Sep 1 ako nagpa wait list I asked pati yung non covid nila puno rin. I was thinking of moving me down the waiting list in case I will need hospitalization pero parang hindi maganda i anticipate na magkakasakit ako hahaha

[dr. d]

doc, sa isang hospital tinawagan ako Sep 24, may room na daw for me. Sep 1 ako nagpa wait list I asked pati yung non covid nila puno rin. I was thinking of moving me down the waiting list in case I will need hospitalization pero parang hindi maganda i anticipate na magkakasakit ako hahaha

well,
we don't want to be accused of needlessly lengthening the queue...

[uls]

if only mercury drug provides data

ung sales ng cold/fever/flu/cough meds

pwede gawin gauge yan

[Ry_Tower]

if only mercury drug provides data

ung sales ng cold/fever/flu/cough meds

pwede gawin gauge yan

Yup, gaya ng Biogesic for kids, nagkakaubusan. Means talagang pati bata nauuso na magkasakit ng ubo at lagnat.

[H1Tman]

sabi kasi sa CESU sometimes 3 months nagpo positive pa kaya panay inom ko ng VCO, wala naman mawawala kung gawin ko



Pero diba dapat yung RT PCR na sa nose ang accurate? Sa ibang labs kasi medyo mas mura pero ang tagal magsched. Yung sa lab where I have it done home service saka 24 hrs lang ang scheduling. Yun din sabi sakin I could still test positive after 3 months. Yung Tita ko ganun nangyari Problemado tuloy ako kasi naggoo google ako and I cant find any info kung paano pag nagpositive before travel

I know of at least 4 people who tested negative (RT-PCR) after the 14-day quarantine. All fully vaccinated. So I think your chances are good.

May drive thru testing ang Safeguard DNA Diagnostics sa Alabang, P 2.6K for 48 hours result. May antigen testing din sila for 900 pesos sa Shaw clinic nila.

For home service, try Juan Medical P 3,7K 48-hr turnaround. But usually 36 hours lang may result na.

[uls]

we don't have to rely entirely on gov't numbers to have a clue of the real situation

meron ibang bagay pwede gawin gauge

if you're a serious professional research outfit why just sit there all day waiting for the daily release of gov't numbers?

kung mali ang gov't numbers mali din compute mo

go gather independent data

establish contacts in every hospital

kahit isang contact person lang bawat ospital... once a day mag viber sayo ano sitwasyon sa ospital nila

establish contacts sa mga medical supplies companies, medical oxygen suppliers, drug stores... re demand/inquiries for oxygen, concentrators, fever/cough meds (since madami sa bahay nagpapagaling -- di nagpapatest doesn't show up in gov't data)

contacts sa mga ambulance service providers re number of trips per day

contacts sa mga crematorium re number of cremations

that's what true researchers do

di ung naghihintay lang ng DOH numbers araw araw

[bugsmobile]

I know of at least 4 people who tested negative (RT-PCR) after the 14-day quarantine. All fully vaccinated. So I think your chances are good.

May drive thru testing ang Safeguard DNA Diagnostics sa Alabang, P 2.6K for 48 hours result. May antigen testing din sila for 900 pesos sa Shaw clinic nila.

For home service, try Juan Medical P 3,7K 48-hr turnaround. But usually 36 hours lang may result na.

Had our rt-pcr test sa NKTI, P391 lang if you have Philhrealth. Kaso naka pila ka lang ng 2 hours.

[thearsenal1205]

if only mercury drug provides data

ung sales ng cold/fever/flu/cough meds

pwede gawin gauge yan

Not just Mercury. Also TGP and other rival drugstores out there provides data for more data gathering..If they provides sales data into the public.

[uls]

Not just Mercury. Also TGP and other rival drugstores out there provides data for more data gathering..If they provides sales data into the public.

yes i was only using mercury as an example

and kahit data palang ng mercury it's already enough coz they're big and everywhere

my point is there are other ways to find out the true covid situation

di ung titingin lang sa doh data every afternoon

[Yatta]

we don't have to rely entirely on gov't numbers to have a clue of the real situation

meron ibang bagay pwede gawin gauge

if you're a serious professional research outfit why just sit there all day waiting for the daily release of gov't numbers?

kung mali ang gov't numbers mali din compute mo

go gather independent data

establish contacts in every hospital

kahit isang contact person lang bawat ospital... once a day mag viber sayo ano sitwasyon sa ospital nila

establish contacts sa mga medical supplies companies, medical oxygen suppliers, drug stores... re demand/inquiries for oxygen, concentrators, fever/cough meds (since madami sa bahay nagpapagaling -- di nagpapatest doesn't show up in gov't data)

contacts sa mga ambulance service providers re number of trips per day

contacts sa mga crematorium re number of cremations

that's what true researchers do

di ung naghihintay lang ng DOH numbers araw araw

Didn't Malacanan earlier accused OCTA of making up numbers out of thin air and casting shade on their assessments, until it was discovered the numbers came from DOH itself hence official?

[uls]

Didn't Malacanan earlier accused OCTA of making up numbers out of thin air and casting shade on their assessments, until it was discovered the numbers came from DOH itself hence official?

my point is DOH numbers may not be reflecting true situation they just admitted the lower number of cases recently may be coz fewer people are getting tested

a true professional research group should be gathering their own data not relying on gov't numbers

either octa is just a bunch of guys with nothing better to do and decided to interpret gov't numbers (coz it's easy and convenient) and call themselves a research group

or they're lazy (coz gathering independent data is hard work)

[Yatta]

my point is DOH numbers may not be reflecting true situation they just admitted the lower number of cases recently may be coz fewer people are getting tested

a true professional research group should be gathering their own data not relying on gov't numbers

either octa is just a bunch of guys with nothing better to do and decided to interpret gov't numbers (coz it's easy and convenient) and call themselves a research group

or they're lazy (coz gathering independent data is hard work)

How many are OCTA? How much money they got to pay for field personnel to gather/relay data? I have experience with using "crowd-sourced" data and sa una, ok yung free and goodwill. After a while tatamarin na yung tao na magbigay ng data unless you give them something for their trouble.

[uls]

sa finance there are analysts who just look at bloomberg all day

and there are analysts who do real leg work

for example there are analysts who actually go to store parking lots and sit in the car all day counting the number of shoppers entering stores (pre-Amazon days)

that's one way they determine how a company's stock will perform

and it turned out analysts who do their own research are better forecasters than those who look at data on the internet everyone else looks at

point ko kung professional researchers ang octa, gawa sila ng sariling research

di ung nakaupo lang diyan araw araw naghihintay ng release ng DOH tuwing hapon

[Yatta]

sa finance there are analysts who just look at bloomberg all day

and there are analysts who do real leg work

for example there are analysts who actually go to store parking lots and sit in the car all day counting the number of shoppers entering stores (pre-Amazon days)

that's one way they determine how a company's stock will perform

and it turned out analysts who do their own research are better forecasters than those who look at data on the internet everyone else looks at

point ko kung professional researchers ang octa, gawa sila ng sariling research

di ung nakaupo lang diyan araw araw naghihintay ng release ng DOH tuwing hapon

Again those people are getting paid. How much is OCTA's budget? And where will it get this money? Is a medical/hospital/insurance/funeral company willing to bankroll them? How come the more established number-crunchers, the local accounting firms like SGV or even Pulse Asia not touching this?

[uls]

so what's so special about octa's "research"?

They see the same numbers we all see every afternoon

now they're saying bumaba na R0 based on DOH numbers but DOH is saying baka dahil mas konte nagpapatest

garbage in garbage out

[Yatta]

Using government data also avoids accusations from government shills about questionable sources. Its not OCTA's fault if the government numbers are inaccurate. That would be like accusing your accountant of wrongdoing if you withheld receipts and entries in your own books.

[uls]

dahil 24/7 puro covid akala mo isa lang ang sakit pwede tumatama sa tao

i'm sure this is happening in many countries di lang UK

sigurado pati pinas

While focus remains firmly fixed on Covid-19, a second health crisis is quietly emerging in Britain. Since the beginning of July, there have been thousands of excess deaths that were not caused by coronavirus.

According to health experts, this is highly unusual for the summer. Although excess deaths are expected during the winter months, when cold weather and seasonal infections combine to place pressure on the NHS, summer generally sees a lull.

This year is a worrying outlier.

According to the Office for National Statistics (ONS), since July 2 there have been 9,619 excess deaths in England and Wales, of which 48 per cent (4,635) were not caused by Covid-19.

So if all these extra people are not dying from coronavirus, what is killing them?

Data from Public Health England (PHE) shows that during that period there were 2,103 extra death registrations with ischemic heart disease, 1,552 with heart failure, as well as an extra 760 deaths with cerebrovascular diseases such as stroke and aneurysm and 3,915 with other circulatory diseases.

Acute and chronic respiratory infections were also up with 3,416 more mentions on death certificates than expected since the start of July, while there have been 1,234 extra urinary system disease deaths, 324 with cirrhosis and liver disease and 1,905 with diabetes.

[dr. d]

if only mercury drug provides data

ung sales ng cold/fever/flu/cough meds

pwede gawin gauge yan

it probably would be misleading.
dati kasi, maraming tao ang hindi bumibili ng symptomatic-relief medications. tinitiis lang nila.
ngayon, because of covid, more folks would pop in a pill the moment they feel 'something, even if it did not have anything to do with covid at all.

[uls]

it probably would be misleading.
dati kasi, maraming tao ang hindi bumibili ng symptomatic-relief medications. tinitiis lang nila.
ngayon, because of covid, more folks would pop in a pill the moment they feel 'something, even if it did not have anything to do with covid at all.

bombarded with covid news 24/7 + socmed, viber groups --> irrational fear of death

konting naramdaman gamot agad?

so pwede rin konting naramdaman punta agad sa ER

maari kaya napuno mga ospital during early delta surge (july or early august) when hospitals were still admitting mild cases

[ray_noel]

my point is DOH numbers may not be reflecting true situation they just admitted the lower number of cases recently may be coz fewer people are getting tested

a true professional research group should be gathering their own data not relying on gov't numbers

either octa is just a bunch of guys with nothing better to do and decided to interpret gov't numbers (coz it's easy and convenient) and call themselves a research group

or they're lazy (coz gathering independent data is hard work)

There is high probability of these scenarios… knowing how our system works…

Also, With country like ours who are supporting big tech giants, hindi man lang makapag put up na sophisticated na online system for the people… at least uunahin na muna yung national id, kahit digital na muna basta ma lagay na sa database yung details… mamaya na yung physical id…

Sana by that time na, mag national id na tayo hindi pa chips yung gamit ng ibang countries… yeah, mRNA baby!


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