Is WWIII inevitable?

[uls]

how can this not be broken up

[uls]

voices in the West already proposing it

aakyat yan hanggang sa pinakataas

looks like hindi lang regime change ang goal

they wanna remove putin AND decentralize control away from moscow

provinces will become self governing

yan ang plano

pretty ambitious

[Ry_Tower]

Hindi lang tayo nakakaisip niyan, yan tatandaan ninyo.

Kaya for all the conspiracy theories, good luck.

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[uls]

anong conspiracy theory?

may sinabi ba ako masyado far out?

may sinabi ba ako the world is being ruled by lizard people?

the scenario where russia could be broken up is realistic

if western support to ukraine wears down russia and putin is removed from power

with the central authority gone, regions can declare independence from moscow

the US will install puppets

China will also want parts of russia

[uls]

i did not say it will happen

i'm saying it can realistically happen

[EQAddict]

Russia has nukes. No one is gonna try to invade them. Not the USA, not China. Not western europe.

But in this war...they are the aggressors murderers and criminals. Make no mistake about that.

Not saying that the West's hands are clean. They also have blood on their hands in Afghanistan and Iraq. This does NOT excuse Russia. They are separate events. Whataboutism is a weak argument.




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[uls]

if US/nato succeeds in driving russia out of ukraine, i don't see why they wouldn't be bold enough to go all the way to moscow

[tsupermario]

[dr. d]

if US/nato succeeds in driving russia out of ukraine, i don't see why they wouldn't be bold enough to go all the way to moscow

in my opinion,

russia is too physically big, as to be conquered using traditional weapons. it has been tried before, and they failed.
it'd take nukes,
and nobody in his right mind wants to use nukes,
because it will end civilization as we know it.

the aliens are probably already standing by, waiting to see if an earthling would be stupid enough to start one.

sabi nga nang isang alien,
"what! they exploded nuclear bombs... within their atmosphere..!!?"

[uls]

note that i said "go all the way to moscow"

i didn't say conquer all of russia

yes russia is big

but where is moscow?

it's on the far west of russia only 450 km from ukraine border

[uls]

note that i said "go all the way to moscow"

i didn't say conquer all of russia

yes russia is big

but where is moscow?

it's on the far west of russia only 450 km from ukraine border

if US/NATO are able to overpower russian forces in ukraine and drive them back over the border

ya think western forces will literally stop at the border?

seeing a weakened enemy?

keep in mind regime change ang goal ng US/NATO

450 km lang yan

[uls]

funny

pro-West people keep saying russia is weak

so i propose that after defeating russia in ukraine, US/NATO will march into moscow

all of a sudden the pro-West people go "no way! russia won't allow that"

wut?

akala ko ba russia is weak

the West can do whatever they want to a defeated russia

[dr. d]

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if US/NATO are able to overpower russian forces in ukraine and drive them back over the border

ya think western forces will literally stop at the border?

why not?
they did exactly that, in the past, in another part of this war-ridden globe...
... the guy in charge was bellowing, how he could he, in the name of the Almighty, bomb only half a bridge!

[uls]

in case anyone thought US/NATO has a self imposed limit not to strike inside russian territory

ukraine was allowed to strike inside russian territory

Engels Attacked Three Times

Ukraine attacked the Dyagilevo and Engels air bases on December 5, killing three Russian soldiers and damaging at least one Tu-22M3 and possibly a Tu-95MS.

Kyiv modified a Soviet-made Tu-141 Strizh reconnaissance drone into a strike platform to carry out the task.

On December 26, Russian air defense reportedly shot down another Ukrainian drone approaching Engels. Drone debris reportedly fell onto Russian technical servicemen, killing three and injuring four.

A few days later, Russian air defense again shot down a Ukrainian drone approaching the base without injuries or damage.

Satellite imagery obtained by The Warzone last week revealed a reduction in activity at Engels.

what more kung matalo ang russia sa ukraine

[EQAddict]

funny

pro-West people keep saying russia is weak

so i propose that after defeating russia in ukraine, US/NATO will march into moscow

all of a sudden the pro-West people go "no way! russia won't allow that"

wut?

akala ko ba russia is weak

the West can do whatever they want to a defeated russia

Defending your homeland (as a Russian) is different from attacking and trying to conquer another sovereign nation.

The Russians are dumb for attacking Ukraine but they are brave.

Nato losses in a conventional war vs Russia would be catastrophic.

So kick em out of Ukraine...punish their economy...make them think 10x of expansion by force and energy blackmail...thats a strategic victory that should last for a couple of decades
Dont even need regime change...they would rather deal w one Putin then ten other federal maniacs who have access to nuclear weapons.

The West knows the longer term adversary is China...and they dont wanna be weakened by a draining push into Russia which would see no winners. China will take advantage of any weakness and push for regional hegemony if the USA was tied up elsewhere.

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[Ry_Tower]

^ Nasagot na pala.

funny

pro-West people keep saying russia is weak

so i propose that after defeating russia in ukraine, US/NATO will march into moscow

all of a sudden the pro-West people go "no way! russia won't allow that"

wut?

akala ko ba russia is weak

the West can do whatever they want to a defeated russia

Invading and protecting your own country is different. Example na lang yung US-Vietnam war, USSR-Afghan, US-Afghan to name a few. Iba yung ikaw ang attacker vs ikaw yung defender. So many different factors to consider.

Was the US and USSR considered weak during those times?

[uls]

Defending your homeland (as a Russian) is different from attacking and trying to conquer another sovereign nation.

The Russians are dumb for attacking Ukraine but they are brave.

Nato losses in a conventional war vs Russia would be catastrophic.

So kick em out of Ukraine...punish their economy...make them think 10x of expansion by force and energy blackmail...thats a strategic victory that should last for a couple of decades
Dont even need regime change...they would rather deal w one Putin then ten other federal maniacs who have access to nuclear weapons.

The West knows the longer term adversary is China...and they dont wanna be weakened by a draining push into Russia which would see no winners. China will take advantage of any weakness and push for regional hegemony if the USA was tied up elsewhere.

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if Zelensky is successful in driving russia out of ukraine, sa tindi ng galit niya kay putin he would want to go after putin

consider how much the West loves Zelensky and would grant him any wish, will the West refuse to support him if he wants to bring the war to moscow?

consider also how much the West hates putin and russia

the support could be overwhelming

[Ry_Tower]

if US/NATO are able to overpower russian forces in ukraine and drive them back over the border

ya think western forces will literally stop at the border?

seeing a weakened enemy?

keep in mind regime change ang goal ng US/NATO

450 km lang yan

Then nuclear bombs, here we go!

Invading Russia will loss public support in the west. It's the invasion that triggered this collective response (hindi pa nga all-in ang ibang NATO countries like Germany). But invading Russia, that's a different monster altogether.

[Ry_Tower]

if Zelensky is successful in driving russia out of ukraine, sa tindi ng galit niya kay putin he would want to go after putin

consider how much the West loves Zelensky and would grant him any wish, will the West refuse to support him if he wants to bring the war to moscow?

consider also how much the West hates putin and russia

the support could be overwhelming

Again you interpret fighting an invasion and invading as same in terms of being publicly supported by the west. Well that's your opinion.

[uls]

^ Nasagot na pala.



Invading and protecting your own country is different. Example na lang yung US-Vietnam war, USSR-Afghan, US-Afghan to name a few. Iba yung ikaw ang attacker vs ikaw yung defender. So many different factors to consider.

Was the US and USSR considered weak during those times?

meron justification ang ukraine/US/NATO to attack russia

ung nga bansa walang kasalanan binobomba ng US

ano pa ung bansang nang-invade ng ibang bansa