Is WWIII inevitable?

[uls]

Again you interpret fighting an invasion and invading as same in terms of being publicly supported by the west. Well that's your opinion.

in this particular case, ramdam ko ung tindi ng galit ng mga tao kay putin and russia

so i think attacking russia would be widely supported

[EQAddict]

Public support will dry up in the USA and the West the moment they put boots on the ground to invade Russia. Supporting Ukraine is one thing (and not losing any lives in the process)....

Russia has never been conquered. Napoleon for all his brilliance, Hitler for all his brutality and scorched earth tactics ... Russia was the bear that ended their reigns...for good.

Nato was built as a defensive, preventive alliance. I dont believe any govt there nor their populations seriously consider invading Russia even a remote possibility. Defending Ukraine (and their interests) is where their goals align. And ends.



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[Athrunzala]

If WW3 Breaks Out, Tanks Or Fighter Jets Won't Matter: Kremlin

If WW3 Breaks Out, Tanks Or Fighter Jets Won't Matter: Kremlin | ZeroHedge

[Ry_Tower]

If WW3 Breaks Out, Tanks Or Fighter Jets Won't Matter: Kremlin

If WW3 Breaks Out, Tanks Or Fighter Jets Won't Matter: Kremlin | ZeroHedge

Interestingly from the same post.

Interestingly, a fresh lengthy report by RAND Corporation seems to agree that continued escalation on the part of Washington could prove disastrous. RAND, though notoriously hawkish as essentially the Pentagon's think tank arm, now argues that in Ukraine "US interests would be best served by avoiding a protracted conflict," and that "costs and risks of a long war...outweigh the possible benefits."

[uls]

Interestingly from the same post.

i posted that Jan 28

from the think tank Rand

Avoiding a Long War: U.S. Policy and the Trajectory of the Russia-Ukraine Conflict | RAND

they don't want the US engaged in a long war in Ukraine

coz mas importante ang China

first, although seeing Ukraine get all its territory back is ideal, Rand thinks that outcome is unlikely





Ukraine is taking up time and resources





the longer the war in ukraine, the more dependent on china russia becomes

that's not in the best interest of the US

[uls]

^^^

if the US follows that advice, it means there will be negotiation

hindi matutupad ang gusto ni Zelensky which is getting back all Ukrainian territory

madami hindi papayag

[Ry_Tower]

^^^

if the US follows that advice, it means there will be negotiation

hindi matutupad ang gusto ni Zelensky which is getting back all Ukrainian territory

madami hindi papayag

The west practically does not want to tackle the Crimea issue as majority of the people there are of russian descent. Malabo nga namang makuha pa ng Ukraine yun. But yung mga na-occupy before the invasion, yun malamang ang sigurado na hindi papayag ang Ukraine na hindi mabawi.

Kung pati Crimea kasi babawiin eh dapat noon pa lang may gulo na. Kaso hindi pumalag NATO kasi may local support.

[Egan101]

The west practically does not want to tackle the Crimea issue as majority of the people there are of russian descent. Malabo nga namang makuha pa ng Ukraine yun. But yung mga na-occupy before the invasion, yun malamang ang sigurado na hindi papayag ang Ukraine na hindi mabawi.

Kung pati Crimea kasi babawiin eh dapat noon pa lang may gulo na. Kaso hindi pumalag NATO kasi may local support.

Yep, since predominantly Russians yung tao sa Crimea, malabo sasali ulit sa Ukraine yan. No idea why Ukraine even bothered to take it during the split with USSR.

When Crimea was annexed by Russia a few years back, its local government leaders were the ones who wanted the annexation to happen and they welcomed the Russians to come in to raise its flag on its capitol.


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[uls]

The west practically does not want to tackle the Crimea issue as majority of the people there are of russian descent. Malabo nga namang makuha pa ng Ukraine yun. But yung mga na-occupy before the invasion, yun malamang ang sigurado na hindi papayag ang Ukraine na hindi mabawi.

Kung pati Crimea kasi babawiin eh dapat noon pa lang may gulo na. Kaso hindi pumalag NATO kasi may local support.

keep in mind Zelensky keeps repeating that the goal is to restore Ukraine to its 1991 borders and the American establishment strongly supports it

that means pati Crimea

even if many say malabo i believe the US is determined to reach that goal

[uls]

i-consider niyo ang prevailing thinking ng mga decisionmaker sa DC

they will not accept the end of this war with Russia getting to keep parts of Ukraine

it doesn't matter kung ethnic russians ang nakatira sa mga territories na yan

if the war ends with russia getting ukrainian territory, it will look like russia won

that would send a signal to the world that the US isn't as powerful as it projects itself to be

mawawalan ng takot at respeto ang mundo sa US

it will reinforce the view that the US is in decline

[Ry_Tower]

i-consider niyo ang prevailing thinking ng mga decisionmaker sa DC

they will not accept the end of this war with Russia getting to keep parts of Ukraine

it doesn't matter kung ethnic russians ang nakatira sa mga territories na yan

if the war ends with russia getting ukrainian territory, it will look like russia won

that would send a signal to the world that the US isn't as powerful as it projects itself to be

mawawalan ng takot at respeto ang mundo sa US

it will reinforce the view that the US is in decline

Maybe, but public support in the US and NATO's resolve is about the invasion only, not about what is Zelensky's ultimate agenda.

Another theory yes, but imho unlikely. Again, hindi lang tayo nakakaisip nito.

Ngayon wala pang mainit na usapan dyan sa public sa west kasi pagpapaalis pa focus eh. Kung susuko na Russia or magkakaroon na ng ceasfire at pag-uusapan na yang demarcation post-conflict, then we can really gauge the sentiments of the west as armchair analysts.

[uls]

Ngayon wala pang mainit na usapan dyan sa public sa west kasi pagpapaalis pa focus eh.

meron na mga nag propose ng negotiation

October 2022:

Left-wing US lawmakers on Monday urged President Joe Biden to seek a negotiated settlement with Russia to end the Ukraine war including by exploring security arrangements acceptable to both sides.

30 U.S. House Democrats Urge Biden To Seek Negotiated Settlement To War In Ukraine

Thirty members of the U.S. House of Representatives’ Progressive Caucus have urged President Joe Biden to “pursue direct diplomacy” to seek a negotiated settlement to end the war in Ukraine.

The 30 lawmakers who signed a letter dated October 24 backing the pursuit of talks to end the war are members of Biden's Democratic Party.

ano nangyari?

Progressive Democratic lawmakers Tuesday retracted a letter, sent earlier this week to U.S. President Joe Biden, urging him to shift the U.S. approach to the war in Ukraine by directly negotiating with Russia.

In a statement on Tuesday, Representative Pramila Jayapal, co-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, took responsibility for the mistaken release.

Democrats withdraw letter asking Biden to negotiate with Russia to end war in Ukraine

^^^

kapartido ni biden mga yan

and they were shut down

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as i said, the prevailing thinking in DC is restoration of Ukraine to 1991 borders

negotiation is very unpopular

[Monseratto]

US backed apartheid state vs brutal theocracy state

Strange for the US to say that Israel was behind the attack...


Israel appears to have been behind drone strike on Iran factory, U.S. official says | Reuters

[uls]

it is unacceptable for countries to attack other countries

except for USA and Israel

ok? is that clear?

[tsupermario]

US backed apartheid state vs brutal theocracy state

Strange for the US to say that Israel was behind the attack...


Israel appears to have been behind drone strike on Iran factory, U.S. official says | Reuters

US does not want to be implicated in the attack and risk an Iranian response.

Iran made no effort to hide the fact that an attack had happened, but said it had done little damage. In statements, senior Iranian officials contended that the drones — apparently quadcopters, a kind of aircraft with four separate propellers — had all been shot down.
…

This is Israel’s first known attack inside Iran since Mr. Netanyahu reassumed office, and it may indicate that he has adopted the strategy formed under his two predecessors and political rivals, Naftali Bennett and Yair Lapid, who expanded Israeli attacks inside Iran.

The quadcopters have become a signature of such operations.

In August 2019, Israel sent an exploding quadcopter into the heart of a Hezbollah-dominated neighborhood in Beirut, Lebanon, to destroy what Israeli officials described as machinery vital to the production of precision missiles.

In June 2021, quadcopters exploded at one of Iran’s main manufacturing centers for centrifuges, which purify uranium at the country’s two major uranium enrichment facilities, Fordow and Natanz. That attack was in Karaj, on the outskirts of Tehran. Iran claimed that there was no damage to the site, but satellite images showed evidence of significant damage.

A year ago, six quadcopters exploded at Kermanshah, Iran’s main manufacturing and storage plant for military drones.

And in May 2022, a drone strike targeted a highly sensitive military site outside Tehran where Iran develops missile, nuclear and drone technology.

The targets — presumably including the military facility in Isfahan — have been chosen in part to shake the Iranian leadership, because they demonstrate intelligence about the locations of key sites, even those hidden in the middle of cities.

But the strikes also reflect a change in Israeli strategy made after Mr. Bennett became prime minister in June 2021. He lasted a year in the post.

Mr. Bennett says in a forthcoming YouTube video shared with The New York Times that he decided to “create a price tag” and strike inside Iran in response to any attack on Israelis or Jews around the world. “The Iranians beat us, and soldiers die on the border,” Mr. Bennett says in the self-produced interview, while Iranian leaders “sit quietly in Tehran and we do nothing to them.”

It was not just the quadcopter attacks.

After “Iran tried to murder Israelis in Cyprus, in Turkey,” Mr. Bennett says, the Revolutionary Guards Corps commander behind it “was eliminated in Tehran.” He is referring to the assassination of Sayad Khodayee, who Israel claimed was a leader of a covert unit responsible for the abduction and killing of Israelis and other foreigners around the world.

After Israel adopted the new strategy, Mr. Bennett says in the video, President Biden, during a meeting, made a “sharp request” that Israel inform the United States in advance “of any action we take in Iran.”

Mr. Bennett refused, he says.

“There are things you do not want to know about in advance,” he recalls telling the American president.

[Ry_Tower]

it is unacceptable for countries to attack other countries

except for USA and Israel

ok? is that clear?

It's not that simple. Ano ba reason sa attack?

Although may sabaly din talaga west like the WMD bruhaha. Pero kapag target mo eh yung ginagamit laban sa iyo, pre-emptive strike tawag dyan and that's acceptable. Under the protective principle or passive-personality principle pwede yang enforcement kasi nationals or national interests mo pinaglalaban mo.

Yung invasion ba ng Russia may valid and overwhelming reason except national insecurity? I don't think so. MAD has Russia covered. Diplomatically, Russia failed to maintain good relations with its former allies. That's their problem.

Powerful countries will always have that option to act pre-emptively because they can backup their actions. That's a given. If for example the PI is on par with China, will our president allow the bullying in the WPS? Of course not. Vietnam nga lang at Indonesia pumapalag na eh. Meron ba nagagawa China? Oversimplification hides the fallacy.

[uls]

^^^

double standard lang talaga

they can do whatever they want and nobody can do anything about it coz sila ang siga

[Ry_Tower]

^^^

double standard lang talaga

they can do whatever they want and nobody can do anything about it coz sila ang siga

Agree, but that does not mean they are right and that all people, even westerners approve of their governments actions.

I may be pro-west, but I am not blind to their mistakes and excesses. I still hope for a better world.

[EQAddict]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...-china-taiwan/


Seems our govt has taken a side.....

I support this. We are being bullied too much in our exclusive Economic zones. Bargasan na.

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[Athrunzala]

U.S. readies $2.2 bln Ukraine aid package with longer-range weapons -sources

U.S. readies $2.2 bln Ukraine aid package with longer-range weapons -sources