The point iswhy are you quick the accept that the bombers are from Syria, just became there is a passport nearby
Who brings real ID on an operation like that
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November 15th, 2015 04:56 PM #102it's not angst. it's intolerance for people who are fake, sham, and bogus.
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November 15th, 2015 05:02 PM #103 Originally Posted by minicarph
Well, ISIS already claimed responsibility, so most likely the bomber is ISIS affiliated, regardless if he's Syrian/Algerian/etc.
Media reports the guy came in from Greece. Initially nagduda din ako why he brought a passport, but if it's a fake passport then it wouldn't matter. And they would need to keep it in their person in case police ask them for it.
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November 15th, 2015 05:10 PM #104Ano ba ang EU response protocol for this kind of attacks? Is EU really that united that when one country declares war, all of the members should lend their military assistance?
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November 15th, 2015 05:11 PM #105Isis claims responsibility for everything. Keyword is claim - still need to be verified with proof Originally Posted by badkuk
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November 15th, 2015 05:13 PM #106Still angst Originally Posted by Juan Martinez
it's not angst. it's intolerance for people who are fake, sham, and bogus.
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November 15th, 2015 05:14 PM #107When you're talking politics, there is no middle ground. Originally Posted by badkuk
The right-wing hawks in the US are not satisfied with anything less than total US domination over Mid-East affairs... thinking that by simply steam-rolling their way through each and every hot spot by military might they can crush any and all threats to the United States.
Never mind that this method would cost more than the entire GDP of the planet. And never mind that, as we found out in Iraq, the only way to keep insurgency and terrorism from festering would be to enact a totalitarian police state. Which... Bush failed to do (why do people keep forgetting how ineffective his police action was back then?) and which Obama failed to do, and was unwilling to try... since it was draining the American economy so badly.
Those calling for total war forget their history. It didn't work in Iraq the first time. It didn't work in Iraq the second time, and caused more problems than it solved. A limited war can work, as we saw in Afghanistan. But the problem there was after the Russians pulled out, nobody stepped in to help rebuild the country... which mean that the Taliban and Al Quaeda took over... armed with US weapons and military know-how.
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What is needed, first, is to stamp out IS. Second, to ensure that the people on the ground who aren't religious fanatics or fascist dictators are armed against both threats. Third, to help rebuild and provide homes and livelihood for the people who have been displaced and who need to return home. Creating stable nations in the Middle East weakens the IS power base. And this isn't done through dictatorships or monarchic regimes. Even relatively mild regimes like in Saudi Arabia serve as breeding grounds for IS due to the social inequity. Fourth... or maybe zeroth (since it has to be done continuously from start to finish)... destroy the IS message. Reveal it for the sham it is. Counter one dangerous viral meme with another viral meme. IS's power is its electronic reach. Curtail that, and the organization will lose its teeth.
It will take a long time to defeat IS. It can be done, but it requires dedication and patience.
Did OB just say something... sensible? Originally Posted by minicarph
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November 15th, 2015 08:35 PM #111This is just the beginning of the winter offensive. If rumors are to be trusted, IS has supposedly snuck in 4000 of their operatives along with the refugees.
regarding passports. same happened during 9/11. intact passport of the supposed hijacker unscathed and conveniently found when pretty much everything else have been blown to bits to the nano scale.
the more I muse about it, the more I think Stasi might be revived.Damn, son! Where'd you find this?
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November 15th, 2015 09:34 PM #114TIMELINE OF CARNAGE
Gunfire, explosions rock the night -- FRIDAY EVENING: Gunfire and explosions erupt nearly simultaneously in several parts of Paris.
- Between 9:00 and 9:15 pm (2000 GMT and 2015 GMT): Three explosions rock the Stade de France national stadium near the French capital during a football friendly between France and Germany attended by around 80,000 fans. One civilian is killed as well as three suicide bombers.
- At 9:29 pm, a tweet goes out: "gunfire at Paris10 Bichat", the street in the eastern 10th district where a Cambodian restaurant is located. Fourteen diners are shot dead.
- At 9:38 pm, another tweet: "very worrying noises" at the Rue de Charonne in the 11th district. The shooting lasts two or three minutes, witnesses say. Eighteen people are killed.
- At 9:49 pm, a tweet reports "many, many gunshots at the Bataclan", where a concert by US group Eagles of Death Metal is in full swing. Several hooded gunmen open fire in the hall shouting "Allahu akbar" (God is greatest). They take scores of fans hostage.
- In the Rue de la Fontaine au Roi, near the Place de la Republique, five people are shot dead outside a pizza restaurant, La Casa Nostra.
- At the other end of the vast square, on the Boulevard Voltaire, another person is killed, as well as an attacker.
- State of emergency - - 10:30 pm: President Francois Hollande, after being evacuated from the Stade de France where he was watching the football match, rushes to the interior ministry.
- Anti-terror prosecutors launch an investigation.
- 11:43 pm: Death toll rises to 35.
- Paris hospitals implement crisis procedures.
- SATURDAY 12:01 am: Hollande announces "several dozen killed, many wounded", declares a state of emergency.
- 12:15 am: A cabinet meeting is held at the president's office.
- 12:30 am: Armed police storm the Bataclan. At least 82 people are dead inside the venue. Four of the assailants are killed, three by detonating their own explosives belts.
- Security measures - - Hollande and several ministers go to the Bataclan. The president says France will mount a fight "without mercy" against the jihadists.
- His office announces the deployment of 1,500 additional soldiers and says checks will be imposed at France's borders, but they will not be closed.
- National mourning -- 9:00 am: Paris is far quieter than a normal Saturday as residents heed warnings from the night before to stay inside.
A meeting of the Defence Council takes place at the president's office.
Sporting events are called off and tourist venues are closed. City facilities including schools, museums, libraries, sports halls, food markets and district town halls are closed.
- Police make a national appeal for witnesses to the attacks.
- 10:50 am: Hollande calls the attacks an "act of war" and blames the Islamic State group. He announces three days of national mourning.
- Islamic State claims responsibility for the attacks, saying they were in revenge for French air strikes on IS targets in Syria. France is a "Crusader", the group says in a statement and promises more attacks unless Paris stops its military intervention in Syria.
- Paris police ban public demonstrations in and around the city until Thursday.
- 5:30 pm: Police say a Syrian passport has been found near the Bataclan. A Greek government minister, Nikos Toskas, says it belonged to an asylum seeker who registered on a Greek island in October.
- Paris's prosecutor says the toll has soared to at least 129 and could rise futher still.
- Transport links return to normal in Paris.
- Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius says the UN climate conference will go ahead as planned near Paris later this month.
(Agence France-Presse with GMA News Online)
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November 15th, 2015 10:24 PM #116Paris attacks: 'France experienced what Syrians live', says President Assad
then of course, they'll invoke NATO article 5 against assad. lolLast edited by safeorigin; November 15th, 2015 at 10:26 PM.
Damn, son! Where'd you find this?
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November 15th, 2015 10:29 PM #118people here may not know this guy, musa cerantonio, but he was arrested in cebu city (and do you know who arrested him? the same person who arrested delfin lee-- pssupt conrad capa, a former battalion commander of saf-- but he earned the ire of Pnoy). --
Australian ISIS supporter nabbed in Cebu Australian ISIS supporter nabbed in Cebu
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November 15th, 2015 11:12 PM #120looks like someone is getting vindicated, hehe: France must 'annihilate' Islamist radicals, far-right leader Le Pen says - Yahoo News
She was arrested a couple of months ago for speaking out against the mass immigration. Marine Le Pen faces trial for inciting racial hatred after comparing Muslims to Nazis | Daily Mail Online
She does have a point. It is argued that by 2050, there will be as many muslims as christians in the world. Why Muslims are the world?s fastest-growing religious group | Pew Research Center
That massive displacement of people is going to grow exponentially in the years to come in europe.Damn, son! Where'd you find this?
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