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    #121
    "Sir voting roco then was actually my "smart" vote."
    This coming election maybe different. Walang incumbency to overcome. The perceived top 2 candidates are not "actors" but use a lot of.
    No health issues about candidates. Relentless ang campaigning. Villar and Noynoy are mud slinging each other with issues that they can not even defend themselves in debates, media more so in the Senate.

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    #122
    Quote Originally Posted by 4JGtootsie View Post
    With all due respect sir. I have a question.
    Natuloy ba si Roco until election day or nag backout because of health problems?
    I voted for Roco. Back then he was one of the front-runners, statistically tied w/ GMA and FPJ. Toward election day, he had to leave for the US, then when he came back, rumors of his health started to circulate. His ratings dropped, though he continued to campaign all the way til elections. Sadly he passed away sometime afterwards. I can't recall who went 1st - him or FPJ. But this convinces me that GMA made a pact w/ the devil coz both her toughest opponents died after she became pres. Aren't you relieved she's not allowed to run for re-election? hahahah.

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    #123
    Quote Originally Posted by Autobeat View Post
    Now, also using your analogy, what has the other candidates fixed, to make us think they could manage a "barko"? Nakaayos na ba sila ng "Vios"? If not, how about "motor"? "bisikleta"? "toy car"? To take away the analogy, may nagawa na ba sila sa probinsiya nila? distrito? subdivision? kalye? :dunno: Wala talaga, and yet they spent millions in our tax money while just sitting in those government positions.
    Dude, read my entire posting. I'm not disputing Dick's achievements, just analyzing why he ain't connecting w/ the masses. While the frontrunners have made claims, and put forth track records to put them where they are, Gordon continues to lag. Obviously, the others are connecting better w/ the intended voters.

    Btw, much has been said about other candidates using celebrity endorsements. Just wondering... have Dick & Bayani paid for the rights to use "Transformers", its imagery and Autobots logo? If not, then it speaks a lot about "reformers" who can't even honor the intellectual property law.

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    #124
    Quote Originally Posted by JackFlash View Post
    Dude, read my entire posting. I'm not disputing Dick's achievements, just analyzing why he ain't connecting w/ the masses. While the frontrunners have made claims, and put forth track records to put them where they are, Gordon continues to lag. Obviously, the others are connecting better w/ the intended voters.
    Good to hear you're not disputing Sen Gordon's achievements. It felt like you were putting down Sen Gordon's achievements in Gapo and Subic in your point #4. Thanks for clarifying.

    To continue your discussion to why Sen Gordon seems to lag, at least according to a certain public poll (not like tsikot's current poll, where Sen Gordon seems to do well naman), let's please put to perspective that the real campaign period only started this Feb 9th. The current surveys, I believe, were taken before the official start of the national campaign.

    In fairness to Sen Gordon, they did not do early TV ad campaigning. We all know Villar did all those commercials. Noynoy is riding on the hype of the former president Cory's death. Gibo had that early infommercial disguised as an NDCC ad.

    Let's wait for the surveys close to the election period, after candidates have actually legally campaigned around, and voters had the chance to discuss and decide about the current candidates.

    Quote Originally Posted by JackFlash View Post
    Btw, much has been said about other candidates using celebrity endorsements. Just wondering... have Dick & Bayani paid for the rights to use "Transformers", its imagery and Autobots logo?
    Haha. Yup, so far no complaints, so hopefully they've already gotten permission from whoever or whatever entity should give it locally.

    Reminds me when a songwriter immediately objected when gibo did not secure his permission when using his song "Posible".

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    #125
    I'm for the Transformers tandem din. Lahat ng pulitiko may bahid, at kung wala man eh gagawan at gagawan ng bahid - basehan ko na lang ay kung sino ang umaaksyon, and based sa mga byahe ko sa Pinas, si Bayani at Gordon ang masasabi ko talagang kita ang mga ginawa na isa sa intensyon ay para makatulong sa masa (posibleng kasama kasi sa intensyon eh yung para makakurakot, pero wala namang napapatunayan pa kaya isang aspeto yan na di ko na isasama sa basehan ko kung sino ang iboboto ko).

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    #126
    Quote Originally Posted by JackFlash View Post
    I voted for Roco. Back then he was one of the front-runners, statistically tied w/ GMA and FPJ. Toward election day, he had to leave for the US, then when he came back, rumors of his health started to circulate. His ratings dropped, though he continued to campaign all the way til elections. Sadly he passed away sometime afterwards. I can't recall who went 1st - him or FPJ. But this convinces me that GMA made a pact w/ the devil coz both her toughest opponents died after she became pres. Aren't you relieved she's not allowed to run for re-election? hahahah.
    I feel sad for Roco, kung hindi man issues or anomalies that brought him down his health sure did. Dont know about the pact with the devil what I know is her deals with Ampatuans imagine zero votes for FPJ.

    Palusutin na natin yung Transformers, hindi rin naman nag tratransform yung truck nila. Sana IH or Freightliner ginamit nila para mukhang optimus.

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    #127
    Quote Originally Posted by batang_raon14 View Post
    I'm for the Transformers tandem din. Lahat ng pulitiko may bahid, at kung wala man eh gagawan at gagawan ng bahid - basehan ko na lang ay kung sino ang umaaksyon, and based sa mga byahe ko sa Pinas, si Bayani at Gordon ang masasabi ko talagang kita ang mga ginawa na isa sa intensyon ay para makatulong sa masa (posibleng kasama kasi sa intensyon eh yung para makakurakot, pero wala namang napapatunayan pa kaya isang aspeto yan na di ko na isasama sa basehan ko kung sino ang iboboto ko).
    One thing I also noticed sa personality ni Gordon at Bayani, is either you trust and believe them or you hate them. Si Noynoy parang in between, Villar parang mabait pero....

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    #128
    I will vote for Gordon and Bayani also. Di baleng hindi manalo. Kesa naman magsisi at dun ako bumoto at mamili sa nag ta-top sa surveys. Sawa na ako sa nagmagagaling at matatalino. Madami ng naging presidente na ganyan. Pero nasaan na ba tayo ngayon? Sabi ng iba e tila martial law na daw malamang kung sila mauupo. Sagot ko e "bakit naman kayo matatakot kung wala naman kayo ilegal"?

    problema nito baka lumusot si "C5 at Taga".
    Last edited by LexTer; February 16th, 2010 at 12:42 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vinj View Post
    He can spring into action during calamities fast due to his experience with SBMA/Pinatubo and Red Cross but as a politician; However, when i go to Zambales and talk to some parties over there, i've been getting the feedback that this guy is one hellava trapo and does have his share of kickback and vested interests.

    To be correct cguro ung nkuhanan mo ng feedback eh against s mga Gordon or mka-Magsaysay, kung ang majority ng tga olongapo eh ayw n s mga Gordon cguro sana d n sila ang nkaupong MAYOR db. Baka ung tao n un ngwowork p s SBMA now at nkapgtrabaho sya dhil ky Gordon. Madali lang kc manira ng tao kya dpat hanapan mo ng sapat ng basehan at katibayan..Peace Bro... Proud GAPO at batang GAPO....

    Kaya don't waste ur VOTE.. GORDON kana.....Happy db!!!

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    #130
    There are those who argue that poll surveys are rigged by the sponsoring party/candidate and therefore should not be given consideration in deciding who to vote.

    That was also what I thought during the campaign period for the 1998 presidential elections. I was for Roco and voted for Roco, who now resembles Gordon. however, the poll surveys reflected the outcome of the elections. in 2004, the same thing happened, what the surveys say reflected the outcome of the election. In other words, poll surveys are helpful for us to decide and vote wisely...A Gordon vote is an intelligent vote, but is not a wise vote since doing so will only help the presidential bid of Villar...Vote Wisely...Vote for Noynoy as President....

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    #131
    We are voting wisely for Gordon because we do not want to vote for the "lesser evil".

    We want a good president, not an evil or "lesser" evil president.

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    #132
    Quote Originally Posted by mikmik316 View Post
    We are voting wisely for Gordon because we do not want to vote for the "lesser evil".

    We want a good president, not an evil or "lesser" evil president.
    Great answer sir! ^^,m

    Go Gordon. Don't be swayed by the polls or say sayang ang boto ko dahil hindi cia top 1 or 2 sa survey. kung lahat yun iniisip wala nalang boboto! iisipin kasi naku sayang lang boto ko eh top 1 naman na sa survey si ganito ganyan :D

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    #133
    I am curious with surveys. Who pays for it?
    What is its objectives? Accuracy (in its true sense/not domino effect)? Is it useful for choosing the most qualified candidate.

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    #134
    Quote Originally Posted by mikmik316 View Post
    We are voting wisely for Gordon because we do not want to vote for the "lesser evil".

    We want a good president, not an evil or "lesser" evil president.
    The problem with such logic is that instead of getting a good president, which will not happen to Gordon as he will definitely lose, you will in effect be electing a bad president. Which therefore brings you again to the equation of who will be the "lesser" evil or choosing between the devil and the deep blue sea...At least if you vote Noynoy, you carry the torch of the spirit of the original Edsa that made this nation tall and proud.. We need transforming leaders that will touch the hearts and minds of all sectors...Gordon and Bayani don't have that.

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    #135
    Quote Originally Posted by Red Bureau View Post
    At least if you vote Noynoy, you carry the torch of the spirit of the original Edsa that made this nation tall and proud.. We need transforming leaders that will touch the hearts and minds of all sectors...
    Yeah i know Noynoy transforms to Abnoy.

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    #136
    Quote Originally Posted by mikmik316 View Post
    Yeah i know Noynoy transforms to Abnoy.
    Who can still transform the PINOY, including you, tall and proud again!! Cheers!!

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    #137
    Quote Originally Posted by Red Bureau View Post
    Who can still transform the PINOY, including you, tall and proud again!! Cheers!!
    Kaya rin yan ni Gordon-Bayani... pero hanggang "proud" lang. Mahihirapan sa "tall".

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    #138
    Quote Originally Posted by Red Bureau View Post
    Who can still transform the PINOY, including you, tall and proud again!! Cheers!!
    Transform the pinoy to an abnoy like him? No thanks.

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    #139
    yes! Gordon will......





















    go back to Senate after the election.

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    #140
    Quote Originally Posted by attyallanlatras View Post
    There are those who argue that poll surveys are rigged by the sponsoring party/candidate and therefore should not be given consideration in deciding who to vote.

    That was also what I thought during the campaign period for the 1998 presidential elections. I was for Roco and voted for Roco, who now resembles Gordon. however, the poll surveys reflected the outcome of the elections. in 2004, the same thing happened, what the surveys say reflected the outcome of the election. In other words, poll surveys are helpful for us to decide and vote wisely...A Gordon vote is an intelligent vote, but is not a wise vote since doing so will only help the presidential bid of Villar...Vote Wisely...Vote for Noynoy as President....
    The current "survey" was taken before the official 90 day campaign period, and reflects the almost one year TV ads of Villar, and the hype on Noynoy from former pres Cory's death.

    With controlled TV ads spending now, Villar's edge (spending a billion every 3mos in TV ads)is taken away, so expect he will loose votes by the end of the 90 day campaign period.

    Noynoy's hype is loosing steam. We can see it already. He will also definitely even loose more votes by the end of the 90 day campaign period.

    Sen Gordon will gain ground, as they finally now get to go and campaign around, and the voting public will now learn more and realize more about him as a candidate.

    It's really still an open race. It's just the start of the campaign period. Consider only a neutral survey taken around 2 weeks before the actual elections. Not yet the ones out now.

    Agree, vote wisely. If your choice is really Sen Gordon, then vote Gordon. If not Gordon, then still vote for your choice. It does not have to be Noynoy, if he is not your choice.

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