Gordon will!

[claRkEnt]

How is it a "fact" that Gordon-Fernando will "never win"? Give facts please.
Only a really stupid candidate will say that he will not increase or create new taxes.

why would that be a stupidity? efficient tax collection is the key. solve corruption and you need not create new taxes!

[4JGtootsie]

why would that be a stupidity? efficient tax collection is the key. solve corruption and you need not create new taxes!

Like I said if you capitalize on stopping corruption it will not be easy.
Not in 1st and 2nd year of a presidents term.
An exemption will be a really robust economy on the first 100 days.
How can we best improve tax collection?

[Red Bureau]

Like I said if you capitalize on stopping corruption it will not be easy.
Not in 1st and 2nd year of a presidents term.
An exemption will be a really robust economy on the first 100 days.
How can we best improve tax collection?

Noynoy has no ambition to be president in the first place that is why he has is not a trapo like Gordon, Villar, etc. He is the candidate who was pushed by the clamor of the Filipino people for change, a change against the ravages of corruption that has eaten into the lowest level of government.

Now, it is the proposal of Gordon to eat less rice. How stupid can he be? Did his campaign people even finish college? It is no brainer...More than majority of the people does not even have 3 meals a day in this corrupt country and you're even proposing for the Filipinos to eat rice..hahaha...Wala na ngang makain, tatanggalan mo pa ng staple and most affordable food, that is really crazy!!!

Noynoy knows that with the current laws on taxes, the Filipinos have been the most heavily taxed people in SEAsia, kaya nga ang taas-taas ng gasolina dito. tsk tsk. Talagang pahirap ang maaasahan mo dyan

[4JGtootsie]

Noynoy has no ambition to be president in the first place that is why he has is not a trapo like Gordon, Villar, etc. He is the candidate who was pushed by the clamor of the Filipino people for change, a change against the ravages of corruption that has eaten into the lowest level of government.

>>This is the reason people are scared. He was just pushed. The people who pushed him to run should been the one who submitted their candidacy. Para walang sisihan. Bakit si Noynoy pinili nila?

Now, it is the proposal of Gordon to eat less rice. How stupid can he be? Did his campaign people even finish college? It is no brainer...More than majority of the people does not even have 3 meals a day in this corrupt country and you're even proposing for the Filipinos to eat rice..hahaha...Wala na ngang makain, tatanggalan mo pa ng staple and most affordable food, that is really crazy!!!

>>Eat less rice so others may eat. Apply the law of supply and demand as well.
You can eat vegetables, corn, casava etc.
There is wisdom to it you just have to open your mind

Noynoy knows that with the current laws on taxes, the Filipinos have been the most heavily taxed people in SEAsia, kaya nga ang taas-taas ng gasolina dito. tsk tsk. Talagang pahirap ang maaasahan mo dyan.

>>Dapat yan ang tinutukan niya ng mabuti as a congressman at senator. Wala sa mga bills priority or not that would prove na may ginawa siya tungkol dito. If he did then wala na tayong pinagtatalunan kung sino dapat maging presidente.

[mikmik316]

Kawawa etong si Red Bureau - twisted & illogical. Kaya nga kay Abnoy bumoboto kasi nde realistic at puro emotions dala ng pagkabilib nya kay Cory.

Gordon supporters should stop arguing with RB, nagkakaroon ng free advertisement sa Gordon thread si Abnoy. Bumalik na sya sa kanyang sariling Abnoy thread.

[mikmik316]

That's the problem, with you mikmik, you are stooping down to badmouthing. You do not energize the campaign of your candidate by doing such act and it is a disservice to those who might read this thread. You should try to reason out and bring out the best in your candidate, hindi yung abnoy, twisted and illogical. Learn how to argue because the right reason comes from the market place of ideas. Kung ang attitude mo is to stifle arguments, sana binuhay mo na lang si marcos....

Check your arguments you can not even say that Gordon is incapable of leading our country. All we Gordon supporters say your Abnoy candidate is a waste of our vote and we are decided NOT to vote for him.

Now get out of our thread and defend your candidate using your own Abnoy for President thread.

[Red Bureau]

Check your arguments you can not even say that Gordon is incapable of leading our country. All we Gordon supporters say your Abnoy candidate is a waste of our vote and we are decided NOT to vote for him.

Now get out of our thread and defend your candidate using your own Abnoy for President thread.

I have never said that Gordon is incapable, I'm saying that Gordon cannot lead the country because he will NOT WIN, because the people will NOT VOTE for him, because it is NOT HIS TIME and because even if you decide not to vote for my candidate, fighting chance is on our side to WIN THIS ELECTION. If you do not want to join us, then it's up to you. Nobody is forcing anybody to vote for a candidate as the purpose of this thread is TO KNOW and not TO BADMOUTH one's candidate. I even appreciate your badmouthing me, but definitely I would never ever stoop down to your level. I have presented the qualifications of Noynoy, if it's insufficient, then we debate on the programs of government because as I see it, a good leader should first be a good follower. If you do not have the virtue of humility, you do not deserve to lead. It would appear that the follower is only the reflection of the leader. In that case, I'd rather have a leader who is humble and unassuming than a haughty and proud one which will be the very reason for his downfall. Learn from history my friend and you will know that progress is not a product of leadership but the collective movement and consensus of people under one head. Surely, collectivity and consensus is not part of the vocabulary of your candidate.

[4JGtootsie]

We respect your view bro. Open ako sa mga inputs mo.
We appreciate the sharing of Noynoy's achievements.
I hope you will be proud, happy and fulfilled when Noynoy becomes the next President of the Philippines.

[Gen. Miting]

oo nga wag na kayo mag-sabihan ng get out of this thread. we value your inputs very much

[mikmik316]

I'm saying that Gordon cannot lead the country because he will NOT WIN, because the people will NOT VOTE for him, because it is NOT HIS TIME and because even if you decide not to vote for my candidate, fighting chance is on our side to WIN THIS ELECTION.

So what do you call this? I think your bad mouthing Gordon that's why I also have my own right to bad mouth Abnoy

If you do not want to join us, then it's up to you. Nobody is forcing anybody to vote for a candidate as the purpose of this thread is TO KNOW and not TO BADMOUTH one's candidate.

Well, time for you to exit this thread because your opinion is of no value to us. We aren't bad mouthing your candidate, we are presenting facts that your candidate is incompetent and full of empty promises.

I have presented the qualifications of Noynoy, if it's insufficient, then we debate on the programs of government because as I see it, a good leader should first be a good follower.

Really insufficient. Inutil pa nga e. Sige since you suggest debate on government programs Abnoy is pushing, this is not your thread. Criticize all you want Gordon's programs but don't push your abnoy candidates programs to us because Abnoy has a separate thread.

In that case, I'd rather have a leader who is humble and unassuming than a haughty and proud one which will be the very reason for his downfall.

So you are bad mouthing Gordon as haughty and proud? And Noynoy is a saint? Palibhasa walang alam at bulol magsalita kaya dapat tumahimik na lang sya. Our candidate has full of ideas and obviously wanted Pinoys to act. Palibhasa mga pusong mamon yung iba ayaw marinig na batugan sila at inutil. Gordon is a frank man. Kung nasaktan ka sa sinabi nya, maybe affected ka.

Surely, collectivity and consensus is not part of the vocabulary of your candidate.

Gordon with his stint in Olongapo and now in Red Cross advocated volunteerism. Now if Abnoy has really demonstrated the spirit of consensus, he should have already passed a law which requires consensus of ideas and the vote of his peers. If he has really demonstrated the spirit of collectivity then Bro. Eddie and Erap should not have run for president because both are supporters of Cory.

[locoroco777]

So what do you call this? I think your bad mouthing Gordon that's why I also have my own right to bad mouth Abnoy



Well, time for you to exit this thread because your opinion is of no value to us. We aren't bad mouthing your candidate, we are presenting facts that your candidate is incompetent and full of empty promises.



Really insufficient. Inutil pa nga e. Sige since you suggest debate on government programs Abnoy is pushing, this is not your thread. Criticize all you want Gordon's programs but don't push your abnoy candidates programs to us because Abnoy has a separate thread.



So you are bad mouthing Gordon as haughty and proud? And Noynoy is a saint? Palibhasa walang alam at bulol magsalita kaya dapat tumahimik na lang sya. Our candidate has full of ideas and obviously wanted Pinoys to act. Palibhasa mga pusong mamon yung iba ayaw marinig na batugan sila at inutil. Gordon is a frank man. Kung nasaktan ka sa sinabi nya, maybe affected ka.



Gordon with his stint in Olongapo and now in Red Cross advocated volunteerism. Now if Abnoy has really demonstrated the spirit of consensus, he should have already passed a law which requires consensus of ideas and the vote of his peers. If he has really demonstrated the spirit of collectivity then Bro. Eddie and Erap should not have run for president because both are supporters of Cory.

bro...if I may ask.. taga subic ka ba? it seems that you are really dedicated on supporting Dick and I admire it... and I've only witnessed that kind of support for him when he was then the chairman of SBMA and erap wants to evict him from that position...


Well, anyhow... Would it be your so called Abnoy or your favourite Dick(just keeping the balance) as President....it doesn't matter for me, because they both seem have a certain virtue towards the development of this country....and its coming pretty good..


Pero por diyos por santo....Wag lang si ERAP or si Man Evil Liar(manny villar).... para tayong may x10 na FG na hindi mabubulgar ang mga kabulastugan...

[mikmik316]

Nope I am not from Subic, I am from Quezon City. Even before he filed his certificate of candidacy, I have already told my parents that I am supporting him (Gibo sila). I watch ANC all the time and I like watching his interviews. I have been to Olongapo a lot of times between 1990-1992, then a couple of times since 2008. I am impressed with the success of WOW Philippines which was not duplicated by the people who run the Tourism dept. after he left. He is a fellow Atenean and though abnoy and erap also came from our alma mater, my vote goes to Gordon.

[oliver1013]

Pagka ganito ng ganito si Villar ang magiging presidente...

[Gen. Miting]

Nope I am not from Subic, I am from Quezon City. Even before he filed his certificate of candidacy, I have already told my parents that I am supporting him (Gibo sila). I watch ANC all the time and I like watching his interviews. I have been to Olongapo a lot of times between 1990-1992, then a couple of times since 2008. I am impressed with the success of WOW Philippines which was not duplicated by the people who run the Tourism dept. after he left. He is a fellow Atenean and though abnoy and erap also came from our alma mater, my vote goes to Gordon.

imagine-in mo si erap pala nakapasa sa ateneo entrance test, matalino sya

[4JGtootsie]

Mahaba ito.


"Dick Gordon and Bayani Fernando are the better choices for 2010

I agree with everything that has been said about this article, except for the last paragraph. Richard "Dick" Gordon and Bayani "BF" Fernando are not only the CORRECT Choices, they are the BETTER choices for President and Vice President!

Correct but unwise choice
A LAW EACH DAY (Keeps Trouble Away) By Jose C. Sison (The Philippine Star) Updated December 07, 2009 12:00 AM

The entry of Gordon and Fernando tandem in the presidential race somehow brightens the political horizon. They may not have generated as much excitement and hope as when Aquino and Roxas announced their candidacies but they certainly enhance, or even revive, the “good versus evil” choice in the 2010 elections. Before they joined the race, only the Aquino-Roxas tandem appears to present to the electorate that kind of choice. With their entry the people are given the “better versus good” choice. Indeed Gordon and Fernando may turn out to be the only other alternative in the “good vs. evil” choice as the Aquino-Roxas team and their handlers in the Liberal Party are slowly turning out to be the same trapos engaging in transactional politics. They may become only the “lesser evil” among the other serious presidential contenders.

Richard Gordon first attracted national attention when he served as Mayor of Olongapo City in the early 90’s. His no nonsense, hands on style of running the city affairs and rendering public service was refreshingly extraordinary and distinct from the usual run of the mill type of governance rendered by Mayors of other cities and municipalities at that time. He showed and demonstrated the real meaning of “public service as a public trust” by using the powers of his office in order “to serve and not to be served”. His dedication to the performance of his duties enabled him in turn to instill discipline on his constituents in strictly following the law and dutifully complying even with the traffic rules and regulations. At that time he was already regarded as a presidential timber much like the late Mayor Arsenio H. Lacson of Manila in another era.

The same can be said of Gordon’s teammate, Bayani Fernando. Adopting Gordon’s style, Fernando also converted Marikina City into a progressive, clean and orderly metropolis. In the various government posts he held, Fernando distinguished himself as a government official who does not hesitate to enforce the law or to carry out a valid and legal order no matter who gets hurt. His strong determination to do what he believes is necessary, right and proper even if unpopular and damaging to his political career really caught the public’s attention and renewed hope for that much needed reform in governance. Initially he projected the image similar to Lee Kwan Yiew of Singapore although lately he seemed to have been overwhelmed by the well entrenched rotten democratic system of government now prevailing in this country.

One of the oft repeated criticisms against leaders who have been in the government saddle is the lack of “political will” in performing of their jobs. They said this lack of “political will” is among the main reasons for the inefficiency, ineptness and corruption in the past and present administration. Gordon and Fernando are the only ones among the tandem running in the presidential derby who have demonstrated some kind of political will based on their performance record.

The inefficiency, ineptness, corruption and injustices in the past and present governments have also been attributed to the kind of politics practiced by politicians aspiring to lead us. These politicians particularly the other presidential and vice presidential aspirants are undoubtedly engaging in transactional politics of wheeling and dealing, horse trading, party hopping and political realignments based on personalities rather than principles. Apparently, only Gordon and Fernando have so far been immunized from practicing such kind of politics as shown by their public service record. They somehow inspire hope for that much needed reform in rendering public service with “utmost responsibility, integrity, loyalty and efficiency”. They sound credible enough when they present themselves as the “transformers”.

Comparing their public service record, the Gordon-Fernando tandem seems to have an edge over the Aquino-Roxas team. They also generate a lot more hope for that longed-for change in our government. And this is primarily because the Aquino-Roxas team and their handlers in the Liberal Party have also fallen into the trap of engaging in transactional politics, accepting turncoats and trapos into their fold just to ensure and clinch victory. This is not my assessment only. Several readers have posted on the internet the same kind of observation like the following:

“I agree with the article. If the politicians were sincere in their advocacy for change, they should have done so months before, out of principle. It seems they only jump ship when it is convenient, when they already see the surveys. Noynoy seems to be a trapo. He was holding a meeting with Erap at the height of typhoon Ondoy. He met with Chiz. He got mutineer Danny Lim in his senatorial slate. He was even open to meeting with the Marcoses who ironically had the decency to know the implication of a possible merger. But not Noynoy. The Hyatt 10, Cory’s Bulong Brigade, Kamag-Anak Inc are back in power. If Noynoy cannot control LP, what chances does he have in leading the country?” (Posted November 23, 2009 by a certain “selina_burnett’).

“It is indeed disappointing to see Noynoy and Mar accepting turncoats. The LP will be seen now as a party of trapos. Sad, quite sad. I would not be surprised if Noynoy’s popularity slides because of this” (Posted November 23, 2009 by “keener00196).

“How can Noynoy be the candidate who will lead change for the country when he has on his side all the old trapos and oligarchs who want to maintain the status quo? No transformation in our system of governance can happen as long as a leader is beholden to conflicting interests of the different groups supporting him” (Posted November 23, 2009 by nermd).

Before it is too late, Noynoy and Mar should revert back to principled politics and change their tactics. As another reader writes, “Noynoy honesty ang pinaglalaban natin. Huwag ka nang kumuha ng ibang LP converts. Ikaw at Mar lang panalo na tayo. Huwag ka nang kumuha ng iba na makakabawas sa boto mo dahil sa kanila, kayong dalawa lang panalo na tayo” (Posted by noynoyparapangulo November 23, 2009).

This is just a friendly reminder. While the correct choice is Gordon and Fernando because of their strong political will to transform our kind of governance, it appears to be an unwise choice at this time because only Noynoy and Mar, as shown by the surveys, are in a position to prevent the other leading contenders from winning the race and from further inflicting upon us more of the same kind of inept, inefficient and corrupt government. The element of trust in Aquino and Roxas to bring the necessary changes is still there. But if they continue with their backsliding ways, Gordon and Fenando may be the only good choice left for people to realize that longed-for change."

[4JGtootsie]

Nope I am not from Subic, I am from Quezon City. Even before he filed his certificate of candidacy, I have already told my parents that I am supporting him (Gibo sila). I watch ANC all the time and I like watching his interviews. I have been to Olongapo a lot of times between 1990-1992, then a couple of times since 2008. I am impressed with the success of WOW Philippines which was not duplicated by the people who run the Tourism dept. after he left. He is a fellow Atenean and though abnoy and erap also came from our alma mater, my vote goes to Gordon.

Same sentiments, QC rin ako. Lasallian. We are not even from Olongapo.
As early as the Mt. Pinatubo and US bases pull out time, I said to my self if this guy runs for president I will vote for him and help in anyway I can. Deep rooted at long standing na paghanga ko sa taong ito.
When he talks, napapaluha ako kasi nakikita ko pagasa, sincerity at determination.

[safeorigin]

^It's better than sleeping all the time ;)

[mikmik316]

Si DICK talagang gusto nang magpresidente

Gordon is not the only one with political ambitions. Manny Villar, Mar Roxas. Bro. Eddie. As early as 2008 madami ng nag-de-declare ng intention to run. It is not bad to aspire for the presidency if you know you are capable.

What I don't like is a reluctant president. Look at Noynoy, even declaring that he does not want to be the president of a bankrupt government. That is a red flag for me that he is not ready to be one.

kaya nga puro pa perform para maimpress mga tao.

Sabi nga sa article - "public service is a public trust". You should be able to perform your duties as a public servant. If your job is a senator, you should pass at least one law.

As for Noynoy, ZERO.

Pero tingnan mo naman, ilang dekada na sya nagpe-perform pero di pa rin mapansin ng madla.

Hindi involved ang candidate namin sa pa-pogi politics.

And you have no right to demand that I exit this thread for the simple reason that you were doing a disservice to my candidate in another thread, not a worthy feat.

I have the right to tell you to get out. except for this last post, you are hi-jacking the Gordon thread, inserting your candidate changing the topic. You are going to the realm of being off-topic. In the Abnoy thread, my answers are always directed to your candidate. And I am free to diss him as I do not have any positive thing to say about him.

At least ngayon natuto ka na and focus your points to our candidate. Which I am glad to answer.

One more thing, pareho talaga kayo ni DICK, palaging nanggigigil, palaging palaban. I admire your conviction, I hope it'll translate to something realizable.

Saming mga Gordon supporters, hindi kami affected kung Dick tawag nyo samin. Kayong mga Noynoy supporters, obvious na obvious affected kayo with Abnoy. Yan ang perception ng karamihan. Kaya sorry na lang kung mas panget pakinggan ang nick name ng candidate nyo kesa sa amin.

[CVT]

Nope I am not from Subic, I am from Quezon City. Even before he filed his certificate of candidacy, I have already told my parents that I am supporting him (Gibo sila). I watch ANC all the time and I like watching his interviews. I have been to Olongapo a lot of times between 1990-1992, then a couple of times since 2008. I am impressed with the success of WOW Philippines which was not duplicated by the people who run the Tourism dept. after he left. He is a fellow Atenean and though abnoy and erap also came from our alma mater, my vote goes to Gordon.

Bro.,- Atenean ka rin pala,- huwag mo na lang sigurong tawaging **noy si Noynoy Aquino (na ka-Alumni rin natin) at magkakasundo kayo ni RB....

Pareho naman tayong lahat na gustong maging maganda ang hinaharap ng Pilipinas....

Lux In Domino. AMDG.

9303:grin2:

[CVT]

Same sentiments, QC rin ako. Lasallian. We are not even from Olongapo.
As early as the Mt. Pinatubo and US bases pull out time, I said to my self if this guy runs for president I will vote for him and help in anyway I can. Deep rooted at long standing na paghanga ko sa taong ito.
When he talks, napapaluha ako kasi nakikita ko pagasa, sincerity at determination.

O kita ninyo na bros 4JGtootsie at mikmik316,- La Sallian at Atenean,- nagkakasundo sa kandidato.... I am sure it will be a better world if we respect each other and hopefully, speak as one..... For those of us who chose to stay in the Philippines,- let's all make this a better place to live for ourselves and our posterity....

Lux In Domino- Religio Mores Cultura - AMDG....

9303:grin2: